long-time friend.. trying to turn the tables

[methodjkl11]

Hey guys,
fairly new to the seduction community, but i'm working on it and luving what i see. : )
just a heads up, i'm in high school

so there's this girl i've been friends with for a couple years and i've been becoming better friends with her especially this year. The thing is, i was your average asian nice guy.. and just goin with the flow for a while; i wasn't really thinking aobut dating. After reading "The Game" and getting into the seduction community and the mentality, I'm really amping up my whole life, changing my personality, etc.
So i've built up a better relationship wtih this girl.. i've been doing some good C+F, DHV, AMOG, etc. stuff like that, just putting out the new me, with fairly good results.
But, the thing is, this girl is rly closed up about dating.. like she doesn't plan to date during high school.. and she's a HUGE academic... so she's always "busy" and always worrying aobut school and doesn't want to get distracted.
Using waht i've learned about seduction, i've made some progress.. and we started talking about dating.. i got her to open up a bit. So after a bit, i came to a conversation like this with her:

Girl: "So i'm not really sure about dating.. like i see what you say about having fun with it and not taking things too seriously. But i think it's sort of a waste of time at this age... I really don't want to get attached or distracted.."
someting like that.. and we talked about it a bit more.. and she brought up something about "being friends"
so i went in with: "I don't believe in friendship nor do i promise such thing; all i promise is that i won't go through with anything we aren't both comfortable, willing, and ready for." (with a smile)
then a lil more convo..
and then me: "So i know for a fact you're comfortable, willing, and ready for movies this saturday, so how's 2PM?"
Girl: "2? i'll have to see, i'm doing something else iwth a friend on saturday"

so the response was pretty positive actually.. not as bad as it sounds. I can tell she's definitely interested to a certain degree. and she wasn't lying either... she does have plans already with a friend, i know for a fact. problem is, she says she's really busy lately, and said, "how aobut march?"

at least i didn't get flat out rejected, but i know i dind't do my job well. I mean, if i had properly attracted her.. seduced her.. and got her into me, she probably would have changed her plans to go out iwth me or be more receptive.
this is an average outocme.. i mean she is actually thinking about it and trying things.. which before, she was totally not gonna date anyone. so at least i got her opened a bit.. but still, it's not as good as it should be...

any help guys? : )

[Gambit]

one thing that you should do is play hard to get because to me at least it seems that you are too avaliable and everybody likes a chalenge

and if she is really that much into academia then simply need help in a class and get her to tutior you and do some kino escolation there

[methodjkl11]

hey gambit, thanks so much for the feedback and advice

yeah, i definitely need to work the "hard to get" angle... cause it's true.. i'm too available while she's too reserved....

another thing i want is to really ramp up the attraction from her.. i mean.. i've opened her up to a point where she wants to "try things out" but that doesn't mean she LIKES me.. which in my perspective, means i havne't done my job. my real goal here is to build up that attraction to the point where i can get her to want to date me not for the experience, but for me.
and at the same time, once i can get that attraction started, i can move in for more intimate moves..

heh yah, i was thinkin bout settin up some "study sessions" or something with her.. considering we take all the same classes and stuff. heh

thanks again man!

[8Mod]

Just incase...

If she: "Let's just be friends", aka LJBF's you

Ideally, you should never get to a point where a girl is forced to "LJBF" you - that is when she doesn't want you but you don't
seem to be able to take a hint. First of all, you should be able to make most any girl want you anyway, and secondly, should she
really be disinterested, you should have moved on long before she has a chance to "LJBF" you. If however you still happen to
wind up in a mess like that, this is what Don Diebel suggests (he should know, he is the "dating guy".


Don Diebel: "If a girl ever blocks advancing the relationship by saying, "No, let's just be friends," say, "No, I have lots of friends.
See you later." By continuing this type of relationship, you portray yourself as someone who has nothing better to do than hang
around with a girl who is not that interested in you. The relationship will never get to where you want to go - to bed for some
romance, passion, and sex. And even if by some miracle the relationship did advance to the bedroom, she would be doling out sex
- dictating the where, when and how much. If she wants to cut you off at any time, she can and you have to accept it because that
is the implied agreement from the start. She is in complete control, hence, she will never be satisfied with you.

What to do, if you can see that you're approaching LJBF-land with a girl. Glenn Durden, ASF: "Completely and totally cut off all
contact with her for a few months. When you come back, you can almost start from scratch. More of a stranger, less of a "close
friend"."



8Mod: "You have to do a complete 180 as obviously what you are doing isnt working so you have to do the exact opposite,and that involves walking away.
This shows you are dominant force and she is going to come crawling back to you(The Returning Fox theory) so you will have the POWER in the relationship
and you CANNOT let that control and Power shift or else your screwed(and not in the good way,lol)"
When do you give up on a girl? When do you decide that a relationship is not advancing? When you are the only one making an
effort to keep it advancing. If she is not putting energy in to you, take the hint and move on to the next prospect. Don't stay where
you're not appreciated. If this situation does occur, try to figure out why. How did she perceive you? What turned her off? Learn
from your mistakes."


When do you give up on a girl? When do you decide that a relationship is not advancing? When you are the only one making an
effort to keep it advancing. If she is not putting energy in to you, take the hint and move on to the next prospect. Don't stay where
you're not appreciated. If this situation does occur, try to figure out why. How did she perceive you? What turned her off? Learn
from your mistakes."



If, on the other hand, you walk away from this relationship, you have established that you are the type used to leading a
relationship, you have plenty of other girls willing to take you on your terms, and she is losing out. We have seen cases where a
man will completely turn around the relationship as soon as a girl sees that he is willing to "walk" rather than accept something
that is not on his terms.

[methodjkl11]

wow, thanks 8mod XD

yah, i gotta start adopting that mentality fersure... gotta maintain control of the relationship.. gotta be able to walk away. thanks for the strategy man. : )

i'm actually gonna try some "speed seduction" techniques to advance the relationship... i've been doing a lot of reading up on it.. and i'm diggin the style. heh

i just feel a bit awkward right now(which is never good), cause it seems like a transition period.. like.. i've been friends iwth this girl for a while.. and i mean, i was always the nice, funny, brotherly-type cause i didn't have too much sexual interest in her..

but now that i'm picking up the PUA lifestyle.. i've got STRONG sexual interest in her.. and i'm trying to come across as cocky/funny, indifferent, alpha, etc... which is kinda diff..

so how should i go about making this transition smoother? it seems kinda odd if i suddenly turn on the heat and start trying to "seduce" her...
which is why i like "speed seduction" cause i'm feeding her subconcious instead of her concious...

thanks guys

[jimmy1818]

Girl: "So i'm not really sure about dating.. like i see what you say about having fun with it and not taking things too seriously. But i think it's sort of a waste of time at this age... I really don't want to get attached or distracted.."
someting like that.. and we talked about it a bit more.. and she brought up something about "being friends"
so i went in with: "I don't believe in friendship nor do i promise such thing; all i promise is that i won't go through with anything we aren't both comfortable, willing, and ready for." (with a smile)
then a lil more convo..

sound like you're near success.
 Dude she likes you, all you have to do is to initiate slowly without her noticing that she's already in.