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Magic (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:31:44 +0000

You may have heard of this emerging star in the seduction community before. Magic helped coach with Brad P, was on David Deangelo’s Man Transformation program, and has a unique perspective on the seduction community we’re all a part of. After seeing Magic infield, I realized this was coach that men need to learn from. He’s direct, unapologetic and gets results… FAST. Leave your thoughts in the comments below.

How did you get started in the seduction community?

I came from India about 10 years back. After I came to this country nothing was working for me. I tried to date many women but it never worked out. I was too desperate. I took this girl to Vegas with me. Stayed in the biggest suite in Mirage, bought her a $4000 diamond bracelet and took her on a private helicopter tour to Grand Canyon. I thought this would be my ticket to her. The very same night she was having sex with another guy she met in Vegas in the same room that I paid for.

I tried meeting women many more times but it never worked. I got convinced that my Indian ethnicity was limiting me from succeeding. I thought women in this country only go for tall, blonde hair, blue eyed and muscular guys. I started to think this was it. I was never going to get any other woman for the rest of my life.

I got lucky. One day a woman approached me at a bar in San Francisco. She was curious about my background. She ended up offering to teach me. She took me to bars and clubs for one week and trained me the way I now train my students. She gave a jump start to my dating life. I never had to look back after that day. I was getting laid left and right. I was having threesomes and orgies. Women were inviting me to pleasure parties.

When I moved to Los Angeles to make a film, I ended up working for Savoy (Love Systems) in the back office. I realized that I can be a lot of help to men with my skills and knowledge. My ability to relate to students, noticing their sticking points and advancing them to next level got noticed by lot of friends and professionals who advised me to get into business of helping men.

What was the biggest change in your own life that helped you become successful with women?

It is really hard to point to single factor that contributed to my success. It was a combination of things that had to be addressed. These are different for different people. They usually crop from your upbringing, childhood experiences present and future goals. As Yoda from Star Wars will say I had to unlearn what I had learned and build a new belief system and lifestyle.

I had to work on re evaluate and re draw my belief system and values. I had to identify messages that were preventing me from taking the next step and pushing forward. I had to draw a future road map. I had to pretty much do all the inner game exercises I make students do in the first few chapters of Social Mastery.

I had to then work on my social and seduction skills. If I had to point to one thing it would be making the mind set to take chances. I kept pushing myself, testing my boundaries, trying new styles of interaction to see what comes out of them. I was more often than not surprised by pleasant and positive responses.

For example most people out there before going for the kiss usually say something like: “I feel like kissing you” or “Would you like to kiss”. By making these statements they are actually testing the water to see how she responds. When in reality men should simply look into a woman’s eyes. Make extended eye contact, slowly pull her toward them and go for the kiss. It is more manly, romantic and seductive. Ask any woman and she will tell you that she rather be kissed than asked for her permission. Very often she will just kiss you even if she is not a 100% sure because it turns her on. However you can only do this if you feel secure and do not take rejections personally.

It was learning these new behaviors and having the mindset to succeed with women that was a huge break trough for me. This is exactly what we do for our students through various products and training. There is a reason why we have highest number of students getting laid within one week of training than any other company out there. In fact last year we had 3 out of 4 students sleep with women within one week of training if not during the session. And these are verifiable results.

I’ve seen you in bars. Women melt unexplainably. What are your general tactics and techniques for attracting women?

You have to have all elements in control to succeed with women. You need to know the most effective way to communicate your sexual desires for her. You need to have the skill set to decode her signs and respond appropriately. You need to know exact timing to advance your interaction to the next level and you need to know how to lead a woman to where you want her to be.

This is why instead of giving general advice like go for the kiss when she is attracted to you I give concrete identifiable measures. For example if you have executed 3-4 level 2 kino from our Kino escalation model and the woman has not objected then you know it is time to go for the kiss. If she says no but continues to stay with you, usually it means she was not ready for the kiss but is still into you else she would have left. At this point test her attraction and go for the kiss again and usually it will happen the second time.

The idea is to understand how seduction works in the minds of women. Then calibrate your moves so she feels seduced. What you saw me doing was nothing extraordinary. I was talking the most generic things that people advocate against talking yet I was getting attraction and so were all my students. The key was not the conversation topics but how they were being used to convey confidence and sexuality.

My system is all about being a man, not being ashamed of your sexual desires and calibrating your moves to where this woman stands. This comes across as more natural, real and effective. As you watched yourself how women were getting attracted and how my students were making progress with women during the first night of training.

Was there a moment when you finally realized you had become good with women. What happened?

I had been good with women for a long time. I was having threesomes and regular booty calls. I was sleeping with my professor and therapist so I knew I was successful with women. However I had set a different bench mark to measure my success.

Before I became good with women I went to this place in San Francisco called “Velvet Lounge”. I was watching this guy dance and literally grope a woman who pushed him away. In my mind I was laughing at this guy for being sexually aggressive. Few minutes later I witnessed two women literally fighting over this guy. I was shocked. The guy I thought to be a loser has two gorgeous women fighting over him and won’t be surprised if he ended up pulling them both home that night.

I left the venue because it made me feel down. I ended up making a promise to myself that the day two women fight over me will be the day I will finally call myself successful with women.

This happened in January of 2008. I went to the bar in the lobby for hotel ‘W’ in San Francisco with a female friend of mine. I’ll spare the details of the story but that night every woman there was approaching me. A young 21 year old woman walked up to me and introduced herself to me. Within seconds two women who had opened me and were friends with each other jumped on me.

Both sat on my lap and started to hump me for over 5 minutes. When they were done the 21 year old who just walked up to me ended up telling them that there was no need to put up this show and they could have just told her to walk away. An argument started and I was like “YEAH” because I had finally achieved my goal. I had so high value that night that I could have pulled all of them together and they would have complied. I know it is a silly benchmark to have but it is what it is.

What is the biggest problem holding men back from being able to attract beautiful women?

Again it is different for different people. I do not believe that every student has the same problem this is why I do not teach standard program to all students. Every workshop is catered to participating students. What was holding me may not be what is holding you. This is why we plan the structure of our workshop after meeting the participating students.

However most of it would boil down to men not making a commitment and taking steps to improve their lives. Almost everyone looks for a magic bullet to get women. They would rather focus on lines and routines as opposed to mastering the principals underlying those routines to generate attraction.

If you truly want to succeed with women in the long run you need to work on yourself. Address your limited beliefs, understand how seduction works and then practice the new knowledge. Seduction is easy! Dating beautiful women is very doable on regular basis. It takes commitment and discipline for a little while.
This is also the reason I do not teach everyone. In order to take a 1 on 1 session with me students have to go through a phone interview with me. If I find that they are not committed to make a change and get this area of their life handled then I do not teach them. I do not want to waste three days of my life and have no results for them.

Anyone who wants to make progress has to be committed and willing to take action. If they continue to be same then they will continue to experience the same results for the most part.

You’ve started running bootcamps. What would a guy expect if he were to train with you?

Do not come to me with any expectations. The only thing I will guarantee is that I will give you my 100%. I will give you only valid and effective information. You will get information that I practice.

If you are looking for a standard program this is not for you. If you are looking for someone who will sit with you over the next three days and tell you how cool you are, don’t come to me. I will tell you to your face if your breadth smells so you can fix it. I believe students pay me so much money and time to identify their weaknesses and solutions to address them.

I will first evaluate you. See where you stand with women. I want to see how women react to you when you approach them. It is then that I will decide what needs to be covered over the next few days to get you success with women.

It works for me to cuss in my sets. My dress up makes women expect cussing from me. But that won’t work for you. This why once I see what women see in you then I can tweak your approach to get them see value in you and feel attracted to you.

I do not teach manipulation. I openly say that I will not teach anything I would not want to happen to my mother, sister or daughter. I will not teach you how to build value at the venue. I will instead work on you to transform you into a guy who is desirable by women. If techniques alone would bring results everyone would be getting laid reading them online or in the books.

The key to winning women is to become a guy who is desirable by women. Then approach them and use the techniques that generate attraction. But these will only work if you have no hang ups and feel good about yourself.

In my workshop I will cover everything from inner game to seduction techniques. What exactly will be given depends on the group. My coaching style is rough and I will push the hell out of you to the next level. Your fear to approach women because your dad beat you when you were a kid has no bearing on me. I will drag you and have you approach women. if you were to touch her or kiss her and you did not do it. I will take you back in the set and make you do it. Fear and excuses have no room in my workshops.

I will pretty much break your bad habits and build new habits that will help you succeed with women. Now you know why my students get laid so fast. They take lot of abuse from me.

Why would someone take a bootcamp from you over all the other companies that do this?

As I mentioned earlier no one has to take a session with me. The only reason you will come to me is because you are ready to make some serious changes. You do not want some general theory but concrete steps calibrated to you to push you to the next level with women.

I usually address my students as Marines of dating. They go through lot of abuse and hard work during the session but once they are done they are unstoppable. Not everyone is ready to be pushed this hard. Many students want to take time and baby steps to become good. I have no patience for that. I believe my job is to break your fears and advance your progress with women.

You will come to me not because I can get laid but because you want to get laid. If you read student reviews on most company websites they are about how fun the workshop was or good the instructor was. I haven’t seen one site where students talk about the success they have achieved.

Most programs out there are designed to show students what can be done. Our program is not about what we can do but what we can do for you. It is of no consequence to you if I got laid with the hottest women on planet. The question is can I get you laid? This is why you come to me. You come to me because you want to succeed with women and not because I am successful with women. Whether you read Social Mastery Book, watch Day Game or Same Night Lay DVDs you will find the information is all about helping you progress by taking specific steps.

This is evident with the student reviews and testimonies on our website. In 2009 3 out of 4 students I taught ended up sleeping with women within one week of the training if not during the training itself. All testimonies are verifiable. We are the only company who specifically address their student to write an honest testimony as opposed to a nice testimony. We tell them that someone will spend money based on their review and they should not write anything that will bring bad karma to them. I am openly writing it here to have someone challenge me if I am lying.

Short answer: Come to me when you are ready to be pushed to next level with women.

Why do you think other companies don’t get the results you do?

I wouldn’t say other companies don’t get results. They get results they aim for. As I mentioned many companies out there aim to show their game as opposed to show what they can do for students.

I also believe that not everyone is capable of giving the therapy treatment. Meaning lot of coaches, though good with women, do not know what is stopping their students from succeeding with women. Hence they can’t offer a customized solution to their students. This is why many companies give you a system that has worked for them and their coaches. They want you to keep practicing it till you can master it.

The problem with it is that not every student is willing to give up their personality and lifestyle and put on the suit offered by these methods. Students can only be effective if they feel that what they are doing truly represents them. They should feel self as opposed to Magic when they approach women.

I personally believe that in order for your student to succeed you have to come down to their level and give them what will work for them as opposed to asking them to climb the ladder and come to your level.

Can you relate a few examples of an ‘amazing result’ that one of your coaching clients had?

I can write a book on the success my students have achieved. I trained an ‘A’ list rock star that could not approach women on his own despite his success. We were able to fix it for him. I have numerous students who went from zero to having threesomes within a month. I have had a student who had taken boot camp with another company and was getting thrown out of every bar and club. This company made him super aggressive. I mellowed him don and he ended up having his first same night lay the night of the training where he ended up having sex with a woman in his car right in Hollywood. I had a student who has been in community for over 9 years. This guy has taken sessions from every company out there. It took us 3 days to get him to the level to get same night lay. There many amazing success stories. I’ve done up a bunch of case studies for guys to read.

You have a 100% Money Back Guarantee if people ask on the last day of your bootcamp. Has anyone taken you up on that, if so, what happened?

So far we have had not a single student ask for a refund. I have been coaching since 2008 and it feels good to make this statement.

Why are your bootcamps so cheap compared to other companies?

Our boot camps used to be way cheaper. Initially we wanted people to take a chance on us so we can show the world what we can do. Now as our name is building and our students our students are getting success our prices are beginning to go up. People who took advantage of us remind us of this every time we meet them. For example my 1 on 1 used to be $600 in 2008. They are currently $1497 and will be $5000 pretty soon. They are still a great deal because our coaching unlike other programs is life transforming. Not only do we turn you in to Casanovas but like many guys know it effects all aspects of your life.

Our group workshops are also going up in prices soon since wanna be able to continue serving students and being able to live comfortably doing so.

We are still a bargain even with rising prices. What we teach in three days is something no other company in the world can teach. Unlike other companies we only teach 4 student 2 instructor boot camps to be able to make them effective for our students. Unfortunate side of this is that we cannot afford to continue this model for little money. I will never have more students but then it means I have to charge more to survive.

If you had one bit of advice for my readers, what would it be?

Don’t be afraid to take chances. Make a commitment and take actions. Get proactive about this. Life is too short to worry about other people. Every day you procrastinate is one less day of love in your life. Get your ass out and make it happen for yourself.

Thanks Magic!

To find out if Magic’s live coaching can help you, he does 30 minute phone consultations to determine whether or not you are a good fit. Visit Magic’s site, Attraction Methods here.

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AFC Adam Lyons Interview

Editor — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:22:52 +0000

DONOVAN: What made you decide to become a dating coach?

AFC Adam: Honestly I didn’t plan it. I always just wanted to learn how to improve myself. I met a guy in the UK who was willing to teach me in return for me helping him drum up some PR for his business. Once the articles started coming in he wasn’t too keen on the publicity. So he asked me if I wouldn’t mind being the face of the company. I agreed and began doing demos for the papers and TV shows. Sure enough I ended up closing on camera time and time again. The more I did it the more people wanted to learn from me. I really didn’t want to be a teacher at the time so I tried to deter students from working with me. I added the AFC at the start of my name in the hope that they would all shy away from learning form me, hoping they would think I was a beginner. This worked for as time, perhaps 4- 6 months. But once I was on the Rules of Seduction in the UK Things really just went crazy.

DONOVAN: When did people first start to know you outside of the UK?

AFC Adam: It was the PUA Summit in 2007. I really wasn’t going to go, I was a last minute speaker and was convinced to go along by my friends Tung and Crazy Serb from Canada. Both of them are great guys who just kept pushing me to go, so in the end I went along. I wasn’t really expecting anything to come from it, but once I was there I realised that a lot of the people there weren’t actually getting as many results as the guys in the UK Lairs, so my talk went down really well. Then out of nowhere Thundercat put me on his top 10 list and things escalated from there.

DONOVAN: The next question, can you tell us your favorite success story from one of your clients?

AFC Adam: Actually it was only a few weeks ago. We were running a special 1 week long bootcamp. Called Project Spring break, yes original I know. hahah. Actually It’s something me and Amanda have wanted to do for a long time. To give people not only a chance to get good at game but to also experience spring break in all it’s craziness. So many people who join the community don’t get a decent spring break in their college years so this was a chance for them to re -experience it in a BIG WAY. This one student that come along was completely inexperienced, had never approached before in his life and had massive AA. He manged to pull off two lays during the course and on both occasions convinced the girl to let him back to her room to close. Even now thinking about it makes me smile. The guy just pulled out all the stops and smashed it from zero to hero in 1 week!

DONOVAN: That’s awesome. What do you think is the main reason people take so long to get good?

AFC Adam: Honestly I believe it’s because they spend too much time on forums, reading and downloading content. Whereas if they actually got out there in field and actually SPOKE to girls they would find their results sky rocket. I calculated the other day I must have done 3000 sets in my first 3 months of training at the game before I was getting consistent results. Most people do this many sets over 3 years which explains why it takes so long to improve.

DONOVAN: Yeah. I think a lot of guys do find many excuses to avoid going out there in person and actually approach, what do you think is the best advice to someone who suffers from the fear of the approach to actually get them out there doing sets?

AFC Adam: Honestly I could sit here and provide a list of hypnosis and confidence cd’s but in reality the only way you’re going to get over the fear of approaching is to get out there and do it. There is an old psychological technique to help get over fear known as systematic desensitization. In summary this works by slowly exposing yourself to the situation in question. With regards to seduction this is easily done by starting out talking to girls you aren’t attracted to and purposely only staying in set for 10 seconds or so. Once you can do this without any anxiety it’s time to push further, either in terms of quality or length of time. Slowly but surely if you keep pushing you will find yourself getting to the point where you can talk to any girls no matter how beautiful they are.

DONOVAN: That’s some solid advice. In your experience, what’s the best place and/or location to try and pick up a girl?

AFC Adam: Hmm Honestly one of my favourite places is outside a modelling office. Back when I was gaming 24/7 I would either find the location of a modelling agency or a model audition and then simply place myself in a nearby coffee shop waiting for the girls to arrive.

DONOVAN: One of the things you’re really well known for is your Entourage game and the ability to create and work your social circle to consist almost entirely of beautiful women. Could you tell us a bit about how this works?

AFC Adam: Man this is one of my favourite topics. I remember when I first got into the whole seduction scene and reading “the game” about how project hollywood got the whole deal wrong. The idea of living in a house full of guys just didn’t interest me. I was much more interested in the whole hugh hefner lifestyle. So I decided to plan out a way I could duplicate the same lifestyle. I began making friends with girls in the London Nightclub circuit and instead of trying to sleep with them I just befriended them. Instead of going out gaming with guys I would get these girls to help me out. The social proof and pre-selection they gave me was off the chart. I would actually get opened by girls. After a while I ended up living a lifestyle where everywhere I went girls would come with me, and they were even competing to sleep with me, it was crazy.

Most people in the community feel they should sleep with every girl that they meet. But by trying to sleep with them all each situation becomes either a lay or a fail. IF it’s a fail they lose the girl from their life, and if it’s a lay they don’t tend to merge social circles. None of this is particularly condusive to building a social life especially not one filled with girls. Without having girls in your social circle you’ll never truly realise how powerful social proof can be or how easy it truly can be. It just doesn’t get easier than having the girls do all the work for you.

DONOVAN: Ok. Then to sum up, You’re traveling the states at the moment doing bootcamps, how is the tour going?

Yeah we’re currently traveling the states and it’s hectic. We’ve been doing bootcamps almost every single weekend and the results are amazing. We’ve had the chance to see some amazing places as well as meeting a lot of great people along the way. We’ve been teaching a lot of the newer material from social circle building and entourage game right through to day game and of course it’s all without routines so the guys never get caught out as being clones from the Pick Up Artist TV show which is something we’ve heard a lot of people are struggling with at the moment. We’re currently running at an almost 100% success rate for students in terms of getting number closes at least for a full 10 month streak and we’re pushing to keep that going!

DONOVAN: Well thanks so much for coming in to chat with me

AFC Adam: No probs man thank you very much for having me!

DONOVAN: Check out Adam’s US Tour dates at the bootcamp page.

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Interview with Braddock of Love Systems

Editor — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:36:28 +0000

Where are you from, what’s your background?

I grew up in a small town in Oklahoma. I played sports growing up and through high school. When I graduated high school I almost went to West Point, but ended up going to The University of Oklahoma instead. Probably the best decision I ever made. My college experience was insane. It was 4 of the best years of my life. I was in the Army and went to Airborne school during my time in college as well.

I majored in political science and planned on becoming a lawyer. I enrolled in law school and decided to take a year off before I started to get my mind right and to travel a little bit. It was during that year off that I discovered the dating industry and my journey to instructor began.

How was your dating life up to getting involved in the industry?

I was always pretty good with women as long as they knew me first. Before I found the dating industry I had dated a lot of beautiful women, but I would say 95% of those were social circle. This was fine all the way through college, but once I graduated and all my friends had moved off, my dating life took a big hit. I remember feeling really lost and depressed for a stretch after college. I found it hard to meet women in general and even harder to find and date the high caliber of women I had dated in my past.

As far as cold approach went, I had balls to approach as long as all my friends were around or if I had a few drinks. So every once in a while I would get lucky, but I was by no means good at cold approach and I was deathly afraid of it unless I had some liquid courage.

What was the tipping point for you to get involved in the men’s community?

I found the community more by accident than anything. I’m sure that’s how most guys find it. The tipping point for me was after a girl I had been dating for 2 years broke up with me. It was right in that time after college when all my friends had moved off and I was about to start law school. I had this beautiful girlfriend all through college and I had always dated beautiful women and now all of a sudden my friends were gone, my girl was gone, and the only girls I could get were the one’s I would have never considered dating in my past. I became extremely depressed. I started to have all of these bullshit thoughts and feelings telling me that I had ruined my life and that I should have married that girl because I could never get a girl like her again blab bla bla (puke) ☺

I started looking for answers for how to feel better and to understand my depression. Through my self help and psychology reading binge I stumbled across The Game. After reading the first page I became so excited that I read the entire book in one night. I couldn’t put it down. I couldn’t believe that guys had broken this down into a science. I had always believed guys were either good with women or they weren’t. Girls either liked you or they didn’t and there wasn’t much you could do about it. That book really shook my reality. It came at a really good time for me because I was pretty down.

It also showed me that it was possible to consistently meet beautiful women without building a massive social circle. That was something I needed to hear. It really lit a fire under my ass. I think my depression was partly do to the fact that I was holding on to a firm belief that the only way to meet BEAUTIFUL women…I mean a true 10 was through social circles. I knew guys who could get drunk and snag a 7 through cold approach and I had even done that myself. However, every guy I knew who had ever dated an off the chart 10, including myself, had always done so through social circles. Reading The Game showed me the possible. I’m really glad I found that book. It was truly freeing.

What were your major sticking points, have you gotten over them and
what have you done to accomplish it?

One of my biggest sticking points was my inability to get out of attraction. I remember reading David D’s Double Your Dating eBook way back when I started and it made me a nightmare. I love David D and I highly recommend several of his products, but for a guy like me who was already a naturally teasing guy, his cocky funny concepts just turned me into an obnoxious asshole.

It wasn’t until I found Magic Bullets that I was able to break through this sticking point. I was grateful when I read Magic Bullets because the Emotional Progression Model gave me a road map telling me where I was with each woman I met. Before I found Magic Bullets I had no clue where I was in set. I would basically run attraction only and never switch gears into qualification or comfort unless the women did it for me. I had no clue why some women were madly in love with me and some were only moderately interested.

Most of my sticking points were inner game. I had a lot of demons and negative beliefs I really needed to unwire. What did I do to accomplish this? I cancelled my cable and I have read two books per week for the last 3 years. I take notes in everyone of them and the notes that are the most important I type up and read everyday until I feel like I can see those changes in my life. There are a couple of books that really hit home on changes that I needed to make that I have read 4 or 5 times and had to buy multiple copies because they became so tattered. It is my personal law that until I see the changes in action in my life, than I stay on that book. I learned quickly that deep level change takes time and repetition. You can’t read a book one time and expect for all your problems to go away. You have to wage war on them and keep attacking them if you want true change.
I think the best advice I could give someone who wants to get their inner game sorted would be to try to find a mentor in every key area of your life, seek new knowledge and new experiences CONSTANTLY, and cut toxic people from your life completely.

I would also say that it wasn’t until I made drastic changes that I started to see real results. You can read all day and jerk off mentally to new age books on spirituality, but if you don’t get off your ass and get your hands dirty and really shake up your life than your essentially wasting your time. I had to cut some bad friends, change career paths, spend less time with certain family members, move, and really question my beliefs and reasons for my goals before I started to see real change. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but it was totally worth it.

Do you have a favorite field report, can you share it?

I would write more of these, but it takes me about 3 or 4 hours to write a good field report that is actually educational and worth reading. I also only write them on hot women. Not that I haven’t had my share of average girls, but I damn sure don’t want to waste my time or my clients time writing about them. Who wants to learn from that? The way you game a 7 vs a 10 is completely different. I can’t stand when guys write field reports on 7’s or below. Who gives a shit about some epic pull when the girl is a 6. So many guys in this community blow something that is completely common and takes little or no skill way out of proportion and act like they did something quantum. They will write a field report about a 6 (call her an HB 10) and then go on and on about some new frame or routine the used to land her, when they could have said basically anything and she would have went home with them.

Sorry about the rant, back on topic……

There are a bunch of field reports on my blog.

You work with Love Systems. Why Love Systems and not by yourself?

When I started researching this stuff I read, listened to, and watched every product on the market. Besides Love Systems the only other influence that really blew my mind was Tyler Durden personally. I read his entire archive on ASF and it blew my mind. Everybody gives that guy a bad wrap, but the truth is nobody breaks down game like that guy. He is a freak! But after reading the reviews of all the bootcamps and listening to all the products, it was obvious that Love Systems (Formerly known as The Mystery Method) was the gold standard in the industry. I know that I had all kinds of reservations and doubts about taking a bootcamp, but when I found out Savoy offers a 100% money back guarantee if I wasn’t happy I decided it couldn’t hurt to give it a chance. Most companies don’t offer that.

The main thing that sold me was the Love Systems interview series. Like I said, I had checked out every product on the market so I wasn’t easily impressed. I had gotten laid way before I found game and all my friends back home were naturals. You can tell within 5 minutes of meeting someone or listening to them talk if they get laid or not. Most of the other products on the market turned me off. I could tell that it was just some nerdy guy trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about. I could tell that it was stuff that would never work on a true 10. But when I heard the Love Systems interview series with Savoy, Future, Mr. M, 10 Magnet, Sheriff, and The Don I could tell that they were guys who had been in the fire fight, not just guys who were trying to sound cool but had no idea what they were talking about.

I want to be honest in this interview, 90% of the reason I chose to work for Love Systems was completely selfish. Yeah I wanted to help guys and all that, but the main reason was because I wanted to improve myself and to do that I wanted to be around the best guys in the world as much as possible. I knew some of the other companies had 1 awesome figurehead or 1 guru surrounded by a bunch of no name minions, but Love Systems had a team of guys who knew their shit and practiced what they preached.

I also wanted to be with a company that had cool guys outside of pickup. I personally was not interested in hanging out with guys who were solely obsessed with pickup and were sad souls who had done nothing else with their life. I did not want to be around guys who I couldn’t introduce to my friends back home. All the Love Systems instructors are cool, mentally healthy guys who I consider close friends and mentors….not just in pickup.

I think Love Systems has always had high standards on what it takes to become an instructor, but in the past year Savoy has really stepped this up. It is no easy feat to become a Love Systems instructor. You can’t just get grandfathered in like you can in some companies. You have to be nominated by two separate lead instructors and then meet Savoy personally. He will then interview the candidate and make him open sets on the spot. If they fail any portion of the test….they are out. I like this a lot. This keeps our instructor team top notch. In an industry where all you have is your name, it’s key that we keep the best of the best instructors in our stable.

What are you working on lately?

This last year has been crazy for me. I finally sent my Phone and Text game book to the editor and it should be done very soon. This book was originally going to be less than 100 pages. I think I finally edited down under 200 hundred pages. It’s full of actual texts scripts and it’s a step by step model for how to use your phone to maximize your chances of getting the girl. I wrote this book because text and phone game is one of my specialties and I was getting tons of emails from guys telling me it was their biggest sticking point.

I have also started teaching something on my bootcamps that I call Trigger Words. It basically shortens the model and allows guys to generate all their routines based on the woman they are talking to. Instead of trying to memorize 300 routines and using the same ones even when they don’t fit certain types of girls or the situation and coming off a little weird, Trigger Words allows guys to run a really natural form of game that is specific to the woman they are talking to. Every since I started teaching Trigger words in my bootcamps my clients have been getting insane results in a really short period of time. Before they would have to go home and practice for months just to master a routine stack. With Trigger Words you don’t need a routine stack and you don’t need to memorize anything accept the Emotional Progression Model outlined in Magic Bullets.
I’m probably most proud of my contributions to our Inner Game and Social Circle Mastery one day seminars. Mr. M and I co created these seminars and they have really changed my life. I don’t think I’ve ever worked harder on anything in my life than these two seminars. Social Circle Mastery is a seminar on how to build a lifestyle full of beautiful women, cool guy friends, and mentors. Ideally you don’t want to be running cold approach for years and years. You want to use cold approach as a catalyst to help you create a cool lifestyle that is naturally full of beautiful women. I wish I could have taken this seminar when I was 15. My life would be completely different.

Our Inner Game seminar took us over a year to put together. The first time we taught it we went 4 hours over the allotted time and only completed 25% of the seminar. It really goes deep. When we sat down to create this seminar we wanted to create something that wasn’t just feel good bullshit or weird new age spiritual stuff. We wanted to create a seminar that gave guys actionable steps to really get their inner game in order. This seminar is something that is really special to me, because I know how bad my inner game was years ago. Mr. M and I tried to make this seminar the one we wish we would have had when we were at our lowest points. Savoy really gave us some tight parameters with this seminar. He hates most of the inner game stuff on the market and has even refused to allow our company to teach it in the past. We had to really create something special before he would put his stamp of approval on it.
If a guy is wondering where to start, inner game is the cornerstone as far as I’m concerned. Inner game is the foundation of everything else. So if you don’t have this sorted then nothing will feel right. You can sleep with a million girls, be rich, or have the girl of your dreams, but if your inner game is out of order it will all feel empty.

Love Systems as a team is rolling out some great stuff as well. Savoy just finished his Relationship Management DVD and it’s pretty amazing. Soul launched his Day Game seminars this past year. I sat in on this seminar and it was eye opening to say the least. I’ve done my share of day game, but I don’t know anyone who has done more day game sets than Soul. Soul is working on a day game ebook that should be out in the near future.

If you are interested in checking any of these seminars or products out you can see them all at:

www.lovesystems.com
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www.braddocksblog.com

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Sean Stephenson Interview

Editor — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:53:57 +0000

Tell me about where you’re from and how you got to be where you are now with “inner game.”

Where I’m from? Well physically speaking, Planet Earth; more specifically, Chicago, IL. Intellectually and emotionally, however, I’ve come from a kid born with a rare bone disorder that has confined my mobility to a wheelchair, stunted my growth to only three feet, and made my bones extremely brittle, fracturing over 200 times by age 18. I grew up often frustrated that people would stare at me, kids would point and laugh at my appearance, and I could NEVER blend in and be normal. As an adult though, my condition is seen as a blessing. “Peacocking” is not necessary because I am the freaking peacock. One look at me and I’m in your brain FOREVER; that comes in quite handy with women. I never have to do crazy things, die my hair, ink my body up, or trip and fall into a tackle box (get lots of piercings) to get attention. I just have to show up.

As far as my ‘Love Evolution,’ I was quite the late bloomer. I didn’t get my first kiss until I was 19. I didn’t have my first sexual experience until age 24 and my first REAL girlfriend until age 26. Women loved being my ‘friend’ and hanging out with me, but I never converted them into lovers and girlfriends until I got my inner game together. I used to blame my lack of success on my physical condition, “Women can’t be attracted to a little man in a wheelchair.”

That was my pathetic mantra from age 12 until age 24. I broke the cycle when I started studying what women really want in a man. When I discovered that my inner game (confidence and self-worth) is the ultimate determining factor in creating attraction, I took off. Within one year I acquired more intimacy than in my entire previous dating history. Now I’m dating some of the most attractive, talented, and loving women around. My transformation was so radical that I couldn’t keep it to myself; I had to share my insights and explorations with the world in my online Magazine: www.InnerGameMagazine.com. Guys struggling in their dating life often don’t realize that they need to get their mind/life together to create solid attraction.

Have you had any huge realizations about inner game that you’ve only had in the last year?

More than I can count. Every time I sit down with an IGM cover story guest, my mind is blown away with insights about the male and female mind. Here’s a few for you:

If you don’t find yourself attractive, you’ll give off the vibe that neither should the women you want. Spend a few minutes a day looking in the mirror looking for your attractive qualities: hair, eyes, smile, whatever! This isn’t some new age crap; I’m serious. Find yourself attractive and radiate that energy.

If you get involved in philanthropy and give back to the planet and humanity you accomplish three powerful things…
1. You meet hot women who are into more than themselves.

2. You develop your life into a more interesting experience, which is more attractive.

3. You feel better about yourself and life, which is more fulfilling than anything you could do or buy.

If you get into badass shape physically something magical takes place in your inner game: you develop discipline, you feel better emotionally (less foggy), you feel more powerful, and you look healthier (which is more attractive).

Is there one big key to focus on for self esteem and confidence that can help guys who are just starting out?

Read the book One Small Step Can Change Your Life.

I didn’t write it, nor do I even know the author. It’s a book that I recommend to all my clients before they come and see me. I find when you want to develop your confidence and self-esteem, you have to be reminded that Rome wasn’t built in a day. It takes some time for a new identity to take root in a man’s mind. Stay positive through the process, even if you fall on your face 100 times while getting your inner game together.

I still have days where fear and insecurity nibble on my mind; that’s no cause to resort to quitting or sulking that I’m not perfect. I would also tell you to surround yourself with resources and people that believe in you more than you believe in yourself. On those dark days when you trip and fall, they’ll be right there cheering you on to get back up, not kicking you for being the idiot that fell. You can’t grow a strong plant in compromised/toxic soil, and you can’t grow a healthy self-esteem and confidence in a place of negativity, cynicism, and doubt.

Flush away negative influences. It’s tough to do so; however, it’s imperative. Anything else I could teach you is pointless if your living, working, and socializing environments are not supportive.

Where do you meet most of the women you date?

Charity events, bookstores, coffee houses, personal growth seminars, and the gym. I use to meet women in clubs, bars, and restaurants;however, that often left me with disappointment. Reason being is those girls were either flakes, train wrecks, or had low expectations in life. I personally want a gal who has her life together and is capable of being self-sufficient and open to giving and receiving love fully. Don’t go after a girl at a club at 3:00am who is bombed out of her mind and then think she’s going to be extremely responsible and mature the next day. Where you meet someone is more telling than just the place you reference in a story of how you met.

Which people have you had personal dealings with that have helped your inner game? What did they teach you?

I have been mentored by dozens of the most amazing individuals; here are a few…

Byron Katie: An unquestioned mind is a mind in chaos. You can’t change people; you can only live your life as an example around them. You have to love ‘what is’ rather than mope about ‘what should be.’ If you fight with ‘what is’ you lose, but only 100% of the time.

Ask yourself on a regular basis when you have chaotic thoughts:

1. Is that true?

2. Can you absolutely know that’s true?

3. How does that thought make you feel?

4. Who would you be without that thought?

5. What is the opposite of that thought?

Tony Robbins: You have to live life with passion. You can’t play the game of life half-assed; if you do, you’ll get half-assed results. There are six human needs we all have to have met on some level:

1. You need Certainty: predictability of what will happen next.

2. You need Uncertainty: variety of new experiences.

3. You need Significance: attention from those around you.

4. You need Love/Connection: bonding with those you care about.

You can’t feel fulfilled without the last two:

5. You need Growth: expansion of your life.

6. You need Contribution: giving back to humanity/the planet.

Gary Chapman: Love is expressed like a language; if you don’t speak to someone in their language, it’s like you never spoke to them at all.

1. Some of us need words of affirmation, i.e. compliments and words of encouragement.

2. Some of us need physical touch, i.e. hug, pat on the back, or sessions of being held close.

3. Some of us need gifts, i.e. some physical/tangible item to show someone that we thought of them.

4. Some of us need quality time, i.e. sitting in the park just being together saying nothing.

5. Some of us need acts of service, i.e. cooking a meal, mowing their lawn, or fixing their car.

David DeAngelo: Attraction isn’t a choice. Once you spark attraction in a woman she will feel it on some level for you forever. The way you spark it best is by having an exciting life, being playful, and standing your ground when she starts testing you.

Deepak Chopra: We are all energy. If you are not attracting what you want into your life it is because you are not at the highest mental awareness (vibration). You must align your mind, body, and spirit if you want to start creating the life of your dreams.

No element of your life can be disconnected from your life. If you are sick, tired, broke, or hurting in any way, it will eventually surface in every area of your life.

Larry Winget: If your life sucks, it’s cause you suck. You are afraid to work hard and get bruised. The people who accomplish the most and get the most juice out of their life are the ones that take the most responsibility for their life and NEVER blame anyone or anything. PERIOD!

Don Miguel Ruiz: You must master the four most powerful agreements:

Agreement 1: Be impeccable with your word. Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

Agreement 2: Don’t take anything personally. Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

Agreement 3: Don’t make assumptions. Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

Agreement 4: Always do your best. Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

Even with your confidence now, what happens when self-doubt creeps in at a later time? How do you deal with that?

I zoom out and ask the questions:

“Is this life or death?”

“Will this even be important twenty years from now?”

“What good am I accomplishing by coming from fear?”

Then, if the fear/doubt is really strong, I employ the Cartesian logic:

1. What would happen if this did happen?

2. What would happen if this didn’t happen?

3. What wouldn’t happen if this did happen?

4. What wouldn’t happen if this didn’t happen?

Run that on your brain and you’ll come out the other end a pile of mush; Issue neutralized.

I also will go out and read from empowering books, review empowering journal entries of mine, or go a few minutes on my punching bag.

Doubt is a virus and it has no place in your mind; that’s why it hosts on you. You need to find it and get it out of there IMMEDIATELY.

You studied under Tony Robbins. What did you learn from him?
That I was capable of FAR more than I realized. He taught me if you make something “a MUST” you will pool every resource possible to make it happen… versus “a should,” which most people NEVER get around to doing.

I learned that the body and mind work together in every second to create our experience of reality, and we must listen closely to both.

I learned that people will judge you no matter what you do so you might as well be living life on your terms and be having a blast.

Has anything you learned from Tony Robbins proven incorrect or inapplicable as you’ve gone through life?

While I know he’s not perfect, his material has always checked out and worked for me and my clients. Tony has been nothing but a powerful resource in my life. Sure, I was sad the day I realized he wasn’t flawless. I was shocked that even the KING of personal growth had a temper, made bad decisions, and did things differently than I might have, but that’s all a part of being human. His human side doesn’t discredit his material.

What is the biggest inner game problem guys have within the community? What can they do to remedy it?

Thinking that their problem is external, i.e. that women are messed up, that they just don’t have the ‘right line,’ and that they aren’t good looking enough. It’s ALL BS!!!

The problem lies internally. They don’t feel like they have what it takes; they feel flawed and incapable of being lovable.

Everyone has a different remedy that is customized to where they are. Everyone in the community wants a blanket answer. Give me the five steps to getting laid – that’s a bunch of crap. If you get laid, sure you’ll feel good, for awhile…but then the “I’m not enough” dragon will surface again in a few hours, days, or weeks.

No amount of “closes” will make you feel complete and truly happy.

The guys in the community must realize that they must face their fears and do so in a healthy, safe, and professional manner. For some, that might mean hiring a skilled coach; for others it might mean reading 100 books; for some it might mean getting their finances in order, and for others it could mean getting in shape. Without a stable life, you are building a gaming toolbox that will eventually leave you skilled at seduction and empty in fulfillment….not to mention that you won’t land a loving woman who will be willing to face the good times and bad with you.

Do you have any field reports of you personally that you can relate to help the readers?

The term ‘field reports’ creeps the hell out of me. I think you mean, “do I have any successful events that might help a guy out.” Yes. I detail many of them in my free eBook Top 10 Inner Game Killers, which you can get by going to www.InnerGameMagazine.com

To give you one right now, I’d share this…

I’d been friends with this gorgeous girl for years. I thought I was stuck in the friend zone for years. Slowly but surely she saw my life transform as I got my inner game together. She saw my life become more and more exciting. She saw me get super busy and extremely mature and responsible.

Then one night we sat on a coach together watching a football game. We started holding hands, cuddling, and sending very warm energy to each other.

Something magically shifted; she was starting to fall for me. That sparked a several month relationship that was filled with sex, love, fun, caring, and lots of connection. While the relationship didn’t last forever, it taught me that when a man gets his life together, women take notice. There is no such thing as the friend zone if you create an attractive life and you are giving a woman unconditional love.

What is inner game magazine, what can guys expect?

There are two ways to subscribe to Inner Game Magazine. The Basic subscription is FREE and will give you a weekly article written by me or my editor and inside woman, Liz.

The Premium subscription will give you all of the benefits of the Basic, plus a monthly high quality audio interview where I sit down with some of the best experts in the field of inner game. Along with the interview you will get the Premium Pages, which are like Cliff Notes for each interview. All of this is only $15 a month and $1 for the first issue.

Why should guys be subscribed to it?

While you will no doubt get great information from reading the articles available in the Basic subscription, they won’t help you truly develop your inner game.

For that, you need a Premium subscription. Each month, I sit down with a male dating expert and find out the inner workings of his mind and his life. I don’t just shoot the breeze with him; my interviews all follow a system that allows you to model these men so that eventually your life will be as exciting and fulfilling as theirs are.

Women will not find a man attractive if she senses that he is flaky or does things halfway. A Premium subscription is the only way to truly commit to becoming the man who women want.

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Interview with Extramask/TwentySix from The Game

Editor — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:35:49 +0000

This interview, might be the craziest one yet. TwentySix is known for being 26 when he first kissed and had sex with a woman. He was a featured speaker in David Deangelo‘s Cocky Comedy a few years back, and has since started a comedy coaching program at revolution31.com.

You’ve come to be known in the community by your appearances in The Game by Neil Strauss, Cocky Comedy and Mastery Program that David Deangelo put together. You were working for RSD and unlike other gurus, you went dark right after leaving them. Why did you leave Real Social Dynamics?

I was deeply in love with Tyler’s every move. He wouldn’t make homosexual intercourse in my anus. All I wanted was for him to impregnate me with a male homosexual Vietnamese boy. One we could raise together in the Project Hollywood Mansion.

Also, it’s very hard to work when you have massive Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and depression. The whole time I was in the game I was pretty fucked man.

The worst part was I was running around more frantically than a Chinamen hunting for a chicken ball, searching for the latest self-help or spiritual resource looking for any lead to help solve for my OCD.

Man, I was so against modern medicine at the time, but that’s what ended up helping me with my OCD and depression. I can honestly say I feel better than I ever have in my life right now.

Dudes, take it first hand from a guy who honestly tried so hard to get well, without the help from real Doctors. Man, now I know why they’re called real doctors, ‘cause these fuckers can help you. But you do have to find the right ones.

Anyway this is getting boring. Penis. Cunt. Vagina with boogers on the hairs of the vagina.

Oh yeah, also when I left RSD, I didn’t agree with the values of the company.

And I FUCKING HATED living with everyone – it was shear terribleness.

What have you been doing since then?

Masturbating. Constantly. Crying and masturbating at the same time.

I’ve also been spending the last two years working at an Insurance Company. Holy shit, this sucks. Humans aren’t meant to live like this. I mean, I know there’s people in Ethiopia that have flies all over their face and balls, but fuck, my job fucking blows. You know your job is fucking bullshit when you get home on Friday night and you start thinking about how you have to go to work on Monday. That’s me.

In all seriousness, I’d rather work seven days a week at a male bathhouse, servicing a Glory Hole for 16-hour intervals.

What else have I been up to; other than printing off Neil Strauss photos and hacking the fuck out of them with a knife?

Well, I finally launched my new website: www.revolution31.com

It’s Grand!

Comedy is your specialty and many people know you’re an aspiring standup comedian. How does being funny relate to picking up women?

Ok, I have to put this aspiring stand-up comedian thing to rest. I don’t like doing stand-up comedy at all. At all! I never really did like it when I did it.

Yes, I would like to get in to the Comedy industry, but not through the avenue of stand-up.

Fuck man, I really love stand-up comics, and I have an appreciation for anyone who does it. However, it’s pretty obvious not many people are good at it.

I don’t know what’s better: A really good Comedian like Zach Galifianakis, or a total shit comedian that thinks he’s good.

I have to admit, some of those clueless shit comedians are fucking amazing. Like, they’re better than the Zach Galifianakis’ because they are so amazingly terrible. So terrible they’re amazing! I love that shit.

What was the second part of the question? Oh yeah, “How does being funny relate to picking up women”.

All right, another thing, I’m definitely not a pick-up artist, and if I ever was, I would definitely not use the term pick-up artist. It is so fucking gay.

The funny thing was, I didn’t even want to be a vagina villain when I entered the dating world. I just wanted a girlfriend. A simple fucking girlfriend, but one avenue seems to always leads to another. And the next thing you know you find yourself high on methamphetamines lying semi-conscious in Badboy’s bathtub in Slovenia, trimming his ass hairs with your bottom teeth and falatio-ing his asshole with more rigor and spizzaz than a Chinamen hunting for the last chicken ball.

All right, here’s the deal, how being funny relates to meeting women.

There are a few things you have to know:
1. What Lame is
2. Gauging
3. Making jokes for yourself

1. You have to know what is Lame. End of story. If you don’t, it is all over. Look at all the good comics out there. Knowing what is Lame is the whole premise behind everything they say and do.

You have to know what is going on culturally. You also have to understand that it is ok to be Lame yourself. If you accept your lameness, and are cool with sticking up for your lameness or shooting your own self down, then you will be fine.

What is Lame? Lame is people who “don’t get it”. The sad thing is most people don’t get it. Of course everyone wants to think about himself or herself as someone who “Gets it”, but you probably aren’t one of them. People who make good jokes rip on people constantly. And whom are they ripping on? The Lame. Overall, if you’re some jock, and you’re a tough guy, that’s Lame. I don’t know, I think you have to be a good guy who likes to destroy people and their flaws, but at the same time, be a good person. Exploitation. Anyway, we teach all this and more in our Comedy Program.

2. Ok, I didn’t want to make this interview eternally long.

Gauging – watch the reactions of the people around you when you’re telling a story. It’s important to focus on their eyes. The eyes will give you queues as to what you need to do to keep them interested.

3. Making jokes for yourself – If you’re not goofing around to make yourself amused then it’s over, don’t even try. ‘Cause everything you end up saying will be totally unfunny.

What are the best methods for being funnier in conversation?

Rape someone.

What are some great resources guys can buy today to help them in their quest for being funnier?

First, Comedy Writing Secrets, ironically, has to be one of the most unfunny books in the world. I have read some of it and it is terrible. Horrendous. One of the most boring ways I can think of to learn comedy.

In my opinion, the following are cutting edge:

DVDs

- Kenny vs. Spenny
- Flight of the Conchords
- Da Ali G Show
- The Tom Green Show
- South Park
- The Office
- Chappelle’s Show

BOOKS

I hate reading.

But here are some books:
- How to be a Pedophile – Fast!
- How to Bed Both your Grandmas in Less than an Hour
- How to Sleep with your Grandma, Even if She’s Dead

How do you balance being funny versus “trying to hard” or overly dominating the conversation to the point of annoyance?

Honestly, you can’t worry about this.

If you’re trying too hard then you personally aren’t enjoying being funny. No one has fun doing anything when they try too hard.

And being annoying? Man, it’s all about gauging the audience. Read them, don’t abandon your agenda. Trust me, people will let you annoy them (in a good way) if you’re reading in to their needs.

You’re known for having a very upbeat mood. How do you maintain that and do you have any downtime?

It’s just the way I am, I guess. I’m a hyper guy. I’m high energy most of the time. Do I get tired? Fuck yeah, but it’s hard for me to not be high energy. I do relax, but not a lot, unfortunately.

I have to admit, by the time the day is up, I’m tired, and I like to chill out and watch In Treatment and Law and Order and shows like that. Yes, I can have a normal conversation with someone, but it’s pretty hard to do sometimes. You’d probably have to be around me a lot.

Who are the best pickup guys you’ve met and what have they taught you that you’ve implemented into your game?

Man, I don’t like to think of myself as a dude who games chicks. Was I that guy? Yes. But that was short-lived, and that’s just not me. Did I learn a lot while in the “Game” – fuck yeah, and I don’t regret a second.

Best guys I’ve ever met:

Mystery

The guy is phenomenal. Amazing. Charismatic. However, would I recommend people go to him for help? Fuck no, unless you’re interested in learning how to be extremely shallow.

Listen, the dude taught me a lot personally, I get a long with him on a personal level very well. And his methods are great for learning, but man, there’s more to life. Suck it!

Stephen Nash

Stephen obviously isn’t a sports fan. However, “PlayboyLA”, yeah, I would recommend this guy. He’s a good person, and I hope still has good intentions. He’s one of the few people I would recommend in the scene.

I don’t really know what I learned from him, but I spent three months with him in Project Hollywood (how gay is that name). I guess when I saw Steve in action, I just saw what it is was like to have fun and relax while meeting women.

(Side note: Stephen Nash writes a column here every Monday, check it out here)

Super

I met this guy after exiting the scene. This guy is a pure natural, and fuck – amazing. Hands down one of the best guys I have ever seen in my life. The dude was born and bred in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and he knows what he’s doing. And he does it with such a new flavor and take – it’s nice to see!

What I learned from this guy – man, that there’s no wrong way to meet girls.

Super was so good, that I was able to come to an agreement and have him teach programs for revolution31.com. He is an instructor is a new program called Brazilians. I’m really happy to be working with the Brazilians.

You’ve started a new company, can you explain what that’s about and what it offers?

Yeah, I created a new company.

Right now, we have a couple Programs:

Comedy – It’s a 44-hour program where we teach you how to be a funnier person. The program is nuts. It’s pretty intense, and a lot of it takes place in field (social settings).

Clients will constantly have a 3-1 Instructor to Client ratio! And lodging and meals are free for this program.

Brazilians – To me, this is the most unique Dating Program for Men available right now.

We have three instructors, Christiano Jr., Super and Roxie. You learn how to meet women the South American way. South America is by far the most sexually expressive continent in the world. You will learn from two Brazilian men, and with constant feedback from our female instructor, Roxie.

We worked really hard to bring this product to Revolution31. So, I stand behind it 100%. These guys are better than I ever was, and better than 99% of the guys I have met in the Dating World.

If you take any of our programs, and you don’t like them, we will give you your money back.

Anyway, Donovan, I wanted to say thanks for interviewing me – it’s appreciated!

Barry

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Sinn (Seduction Masters Interview)

Sinn — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:07:11 +0000

Most of you have heard of Sinn, he was the lead instructor at The Mystery Method for about 3 or so years but has recently gone off on his own. He offers a unique perspective and is also going to be doing a weekly column here on Fridays.

How did you get into the community?

I actually got into the community before I lost my virginity. I lost my virginity to a chubby girl I met on the internet after I first read David Deangelo’s “Double Your Dating”. Then I had two years of unintentional celibacy. After that I decided I was going to try the Fast Seduction newbie challenge which consisted of going out to the mall( Alone which was terrifying to me at the time) and saying “hi” to 50 strangers. This led to Mystery’s 50 sets a week challenge. Which led to me doing 50 approaches a week. 7 a day to be exact(at the mall) for like a year and a half. It took me 6 months to get my first lay from it. But I dropped all ego and looked at this as if I was coming from the lowest possible point. Which I probably was…

What do you think is the single biggest thing you’ve learned in the community?

I would say the best thing the community provided, was being able to diagnose what I was doing wrong. The community principles and the road map of steps changed my thinking from “Man that girl did not like me “ to “Ok I made a mistake in qualification and she thought I didn’t actually like her…” That made things a whole lot easier. And while I have subsequently dropped routines and stuff like that from my game, I think that knowing how sex happens and where you are in the process is an invaluable asset.

What would you say is the single biggest factor in whether or not someone will get good at “The Game”?

I actually think that there are two overwhelming factors that determine success. The first is the ability to look yourself in the mirror honestly and accept some possibly ugly truths about yourself and the way you interact with people. You have to look at this objectively.

So many guys get really bummed out because they don’t look at where they are at realistically and look for solutions. I learned a lot about this from the book “The Inner Game of Tennis” . In the book the author talks about how when he would ask a student to describe the problems in their game, they would say things like “My backhand is terrible”. When in reality they hit the ball with too much backspin, or they didn’t follow through enough. The thing is they subjectively assume this is a bad result as oppose to looking at what’s wrong and trying to fix it. So guys come to me and they are too busy judging themselves as not being good enough when they just lack a skill or a new way of thinking about things. You have to able to stop judging yourself or trying to be someone you’re not accept where you’re at and then set goals and work hard to get there. And the weird thing is my students are among some of the coolest guys I’ve ever met. That’s one of the things I’m excited about now is being able to work closer with students for longer periods of time.

The second factor that I think affects whether or not a guy is going to get good is discipline. See everyone who finds the seduction community is smart. Stupid people just don’t find the community. They don’t sit there asking if there are algorithms or classes to get better with women. And smart people are great. Unfortunately one of the things they are really great at is making excuses. You have to do the work to get good at this. And it’s not easy. It’s unbelievably worth it once you get the good. But it’s a long difficult process where you are going to immensely challenge a lot of beliefs you have about yourself, women., sex and relationships… And it can be difficult to get over sticking points. Most guys never get good, because they aren’t disciplined enough to keep working at developing the skills. Most guys want the magic pill, he easy fix, and that’s not what we provide. But in exchange for a good deal of discipline and hard work, you will be able to constantly have beautiful, amazing, women who have all the qualities you want in your life. But that discipline means doing the approaches, it means not giving in to fear, or laziness, or excuses that you know are bullshit. It means working on your skillset until you find the woman (or women) of your dreams and can keep her. One of the things David Deida says in “The Way of The Superior Man” is to stop looking for completion with anything. Life is a process of working on things. You will be dealing with women for the rest of your natural life. You will always be using your skills with women, and trying to develop yourself as a person. Always ,so be disciplined about it but recognize it’s now a part of your routine. Same as showering.

What do you think game is?

I always think of game as having three parts inner psychology, skillset, and lifestyle. This means that the combination these three variables will be your result. A lot of guys fall into the trap of trying to develop a lifestyle, but not having the skillset to take advantage of it. Or guys will sit at home and work on heir inner game until they become too confident to actually feel the need to talk to women. Or guys will go out and just practice routines and lines and they end up like me going to some real dark places because I was getting girls based on what I was doing as opposed to who I was. To me the real beauty of the idea of these three things is working on them all in unison. By understanding your job better or starting to pursue a side passion in addition to your 9-5, you become a more interesting person which helps your skillset because when you talk about yourself you have cooler things to talk about. By gradually changing your ways of thinking by becoming more positive or being less critical you feel better about yourself and people will like you more because you like yourself more. So it all works together and that’s why I’m never going to be teaching more than 6 students at a time EVER again. It’s just not enough personalization. That’s my biggest goal as a teacher, to teach EXACTLY what that particular student needs to get better.

What’s different about what and how you teach?

I always say that I’m a little different because I try out everything. I’ve played around with every different system out there from Brad P’s stuff to Speed Seduction and everything in between. I’m not dogmatic. I recognize that every student is different and what works for one guy because of his unique advantages, another guy may not be suited for. I also believe in efficiency. I don’t want to be running around doing 20-30 approaches a night to get laid. Ideally I want to do one approach and take that specific girl home that night. But at the same time I don’t impose my goals on my students. I think if there is one place where being judgmental has no place, it’s the Secret Underground Internet Seduction Community

Whatever your goals are, chances are I’ve worked on that part of my game be it Making girls fall in love with you for long term relationships(Breakthrough Comfort) or picking up strippers in a strip club, I’ve done it and taught others to do it too. I don’t believe that there are any one perfect system and I won’t claim to have one. But I do have an intimate working knowledge of all systems and I’ve retained what’s worked the fastest for me and my students such as Future, El Topo, Ozzie from RSD, The Don, Braddock, and a ton of guys who got good and left the community because they achieved their goals. That’s what I’m about guys reaching their relationship goals, whatever they may be.

Why did you leave The Mystery Method?

I think at this point of my life, I need to be running my own thing. I have very specific ideas about what I want to do in terms of products, instructor quality etc.. I had a great time working for that company and I’m still friends with a bunch of those guys and continue to endorse them. And they feel the same.

What do you think the biggest mistake guys make with women is?

I think the single biggest mistake guys make is that they freak out when they get a response from a woman that they don’t understand. I’m a big believer in adaptability. Most guys have bought into this idea of the perfect pick-up. They believe that if you larn every routine or tactic or master body language, or whatever you will be able to effortlessly float through all your interactions with women without any awkwardness. That’s entirely the wrong type of thinking. Things will never be perfect and a large part of game is the ability to figure out on the fly why you’re getting a bad response and what you need to do to fix it. But most guys who come to bootcamps , as soon as a girl says something challenging(Even flirtatiously) they clam up or let their discomfort show. To me I NEVER let it seem like I’m uncertain about anything when interacting with women, even when inside I’m frantically trying to figure out what to next. I also don’t shut up when I’m uncomfortable, I talk more. That was a big lesson too, when I first started I would record myself and listen to it over and over to hear the differences between when an interaction worked or didn’t. I noticed that a lot of what I was saying back then didn’t hit. But because I kept talking and changing subjects, eventually something would hook. I think if all guys just remained calm or even just projected a calm demeanor when being tested by women, their results would get 50% better.

Women especially attractive women are always noticing your comfort level around them, be it socially, or sexually. If you telegraph that you don’t know what to do and that you’re looking to her to see if anything is ok, she loses attraction. There was a great quote on the “ Sex and The City “ episode about “modelizers” ( guys who only date models) this guy said that you have to be able to walk up to the hottest girl in the bar and treat her just like every other girl. He further elaborated that the same dogs smell fear women smell a lack of confidence. I agree with both points. But the coolest thing is that you can train yourself through progressive desensitization train yourself to actually become more comfortable in these situations. It’s a matter of reframing them in your mind not as terrifying but as opportunities for growth or as intense experiences. Then regularly pushing yourself out of your comfort zone until your comfort zone expands.

You teach a day game program, talk to me a little about day game.

Day game is really about your ability to be a normal person. Everything slows down during the day and there is much more of a focus on rapport and qualification as opposed to attraction. You also want to be careful not to creep the girl out by being too touchy. I always say you never touch a girl during the day in a way that you would be uncomfortable touching your boss.
I love day game because I think it allows you to practice your skillset all the time. I remember one of the things that always bugged me was seeing that super hot girl walking the opposite direction of me during the day when I knew that if I never talked to her, I would never see her again. That’s why I got in the game. I also think it expands and improves the quality of women that you meet. A hot medical student is unlikely to be up in “da club” at 2 AM on a Wednesday.

The biggest problem guys have meeting women during the day is that they try too hard to get attraction. Most guys confuse sexual attraction ( Which is generated through arousal) with the attraction that we create ( Which is generated through communication). I always try to qualify women as quickly as possible during the day because you have legitimate time constraints and most of the time, the act of looking together and approaching is enough to get attraction.

You also teach a program on picking up strippers any tips on that?

Yeah I originally learned how to pick up strippers from Mystery but as the years went on I came up with a bunch of my own ideas, that contradicted a lot of his stuff. Like the idea of letting a girl sit in your lap while you talk to her, or not hammering at the idea of not being a customer right away. But it wasn’t until I met Shaft in Dallas that my ideas really took off. He was doing a bunch of stuff with compliance and investment that was light yeas ahead of where I was. See stripper game all comes down to the duel between her two sub-personalities. The salesman(Or stripper) and the real girl. This is where the idea of cognitive dissonance comes in because there are only so many things a salesperson can do for you before they start to compromise their beliefs and have to justify that they are doing these things for you not to get a sale but because they like you. So the key is to grow that real girl while not doing anything to make that stripper personality uncomfortable.

What’s your best technique for guys looking to get better at Same Night lays?

I think the biggest factor in SNLs is knowing your logistics and seeding the pull. That means that somewhere in normal conversation you ask the girls what they are doing later. Then when they respond you have a plan that you are going to do. So when 2 Am rolls around they’ve already heard about the after party or the great Crepe place you like to get breakfast at. A lot of SNLs comes from actually having the balls to push risk losing the set. As Brad P says “ Blow me or blow me out.”

What can we expect to see from you now that you’re on your own?

The first thing I’m going to be doing is a tour of all the lairs that will have me all over the world. It’s really important to me to be a man of the people now. I think all of us instructors have spent far too much time in our ivory towers and not enough time meeting and trying to help our fans that make our lifestyle possible. So I want to get out there talk to these guys and tell them how the community helped me and how it can help them if they let it. I also hope that my story serves as a cautionary tale to keep other guys from losing themselves like I did. So if you have a lair and want to get me to come talk to you guys email me at sinnstravel@gmail.com.

I’m also offering personalized routine stacks that focus on teaching guys to convey who they actually are while setting the proper frames and having way points for escalation so even the most basic beginner knows when to move the girl into isolation, ask for a phone number, pull them home… etc.

Finally, I’m going to be coming out with a bunch of products including DVD sets for Breakthrough Comfort, Same Night lays, and Getting Started in the Game. Plus we’ll be releasing a monthly mastermind series where myself, El Topo, and Captain Jack discuss various aspects of game, lifestyle and inner psychology.

I’m going to continue to teach students in field as that’s my roots and allows me to really put my expertise to it’s best use. But I will not be working with everyone. I’m going to actively screen my students to make sure I only work with guys who are committed and dedicated to getting EVERYTHING they want out of their relationship lives. I know it’s possible.

I think I speak for most guys here when I say that I’m looking forward to Sinn’s weekly column here. You can access it via the main navigation at the top.

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Cajun (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Editor — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:29:31 +0000

Why did you get in the seduction community?

I had read the game after just leaving a long relationship. The whole time I was reading it I was thinking “This is ridiculous, you can do this! You would be AMAZING at this. You have been doing this shit since you were a kid!” See, I was an actor at the time and I sort of took this whole “acting” mentality to it in regards to the scripted routines and body language. I figured that all I needed to be the best PUA, was to be the best actor! This of course is the completely wrong way to look at it, and I realize that now, but acting did help me “fake” my social skills early on while I was still learning, and a lot of acting principles such as tonality, subtext and creating presence are still extremely relevant to attraction. But to answer your question, I got involved in the seduction community because I *knew* I would be amazing at it. I wasn’t at first, in fact I was downright terrible when I started, but I never lost that confidence and thats what kept pushing me forward.

Why did you choose the name Cajun?

I had made a documentary on my Acadian heritage while I was in Film school. Cajun, if you didn’t know, is actually a mispronunciation of the word “Acadian”. Anyways, the film won some awards so from that point on everyone started calling me “That Cajun guy” and that eventually got shortened to “Cajun”.

What is your life like now with women?

Its great! I have lots of really great women in my life. I actually only realized a few weeks ago how lucky I am. I was really sick for a couple days and, after passing out for the better portion of a day, awoke to find 5 different messages on my phone from female friends asking me If I was ok and wanting to come over and take care of me. It was pretty sweet, and they did end up coming over and bringing soup and what not. My parties always rock too because the ratio of girls to guys is always at least 2 to 1, so im pretty popular with the guys as well haha.

What is one of your favorite routines?

The questions game. It’s an old one but I customized it and it makes dates go AMAZINGLY well. I’ve started using it in the bar too, although I condensed it. Works just as well. I hope you don’t mind me not explaining it, as I save it for my bootcamps and 1on1s, sorry for dangling the carrot haha!

Do you use props? If so, what would be the one that gets the most reaction?

No, not really. I mean, I wear a lot of cool clothes and sunglasses and stuff but nothing I would call a “prop”. I really like my belt buckle and of course any of my vintage LED ZEPPELIN T-shirts. My house has lots of cool stuff in it too, including a murderous black kitten named Rod Stewart.

Can you relate one of your favorite field reports?

Actually a really funny one happened this past weekend in New York. Me and Tenmagnet (his interview) have this game called “Jaggering” where we make each other dance like Mick Jagger whenever you say “Do your best Jagger!”. The thing is, you can call someone out to do it at any time, no matter what, and if you don’t then you have to take a shot of liquid kryptonite, which is actually just your most feared liquor (I got a shot of dry vermouth! *vomit*)

Anyways, after forcing each other to Jagger ourselves silly while talking to girls all night, I ended up going home with this actress who lived right downtown. While we were making out on her bed I get a text from Tenmagnet that says “Do your best Jagger!” so without hesitation I got up and started Jaggering all around her bed, doing the rooster walk, the lip seal, the clap, all the signature moves while humming “miss you”. Completely baffled, she was like “What the fuck are you doing!?” I just laughed, told her it was my mating dance, and then went back to business. Tenmagnet got a kick out of that when I told him the next day haha.

You won Keys to the VIP. Can you explain your experience with that?

Yeah that was actually a lot of fun. They had contacted me after finding out I was a working PUA in Toronto. I actually couldn’t even do the show at first because I was busy with the seminars, so I recommended my cousin who had helped out at a couple seminars and was a student of the game himself. In the end I was actually free the weekend of the shoot and I went along as moral support for my cousin. During the shoot they realized that the challenger just wasn’t working on camera so they asked me to go on and “Save the show” At that point there was only about 90 mins left before the bar closed so I got mic’d up and did the challenges as fast as I could. At first I thought that the cameras were always on me so I did a set before they found me in the crowd with the Cameras and ended up having the girls arguing over who gets to give me their number. The producer could hear everything and started yelling at the guys over the radio to get the camera on me haha, after that they always made sure the camera was on me.

With most of your students, what is there biggest sticking point?

Body language, hands down. If a student has that down then everything else is a breeze. Its also one of the hardest things to teach, not because its hard to demonstrate or implement, but because it takes a while to get comfortable with changing the way your body naturally moves. It’s usually what I spend the most time correcting on my 1on1s.

What methods have you used to become comfortable with women?

I actually try not to read anything in the “community” unless its something that I’ve already thought about and tried to master myself, mostly because I try to get my own feel for how things should work by my own field experience. Magic Bullets however makes up the core of what I believe is “essential” with regards to reading material for beginners. It gives great insight into just about every subject that has to do with getting the women you want. It’s the same model I used to get good and it’s written incredibly well, Savoy’s style is refreshing compared to a lot of the other stuff out there, so it’s very easy to read.

Which pick up artists have inspired you the most?

Tenmagnet is hands down the guy whom I’ve learned the most from. Neil Strauss got me into the whole thing from reading his book, so I suppose he should be mentioned. TD’s earlier posts gave me some insight into how valuable taking an analytical approach could be, which helped me tremendously as I was learning. Other than them, I suppose Errol Flynn would be my favourite classical pick-up artist, I based my moustache off his for a while haha.

What did you learn from them?

Tenmagnet taught me the basis for nearly everything I know. Every time I needed an answer he would have it, even to this day, I still ask him for advice, and he always delivers. His style was also a great one to base mine off of because it was so natural, as mine was also, so I think that affected the speed at which I learned, everything he taught me came so easy since it fit in so perfectly with my personality.

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Tenmagnet (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Editor — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:24:43 +0000

Why did you get in the seduction community?

It all really started when I typed “why do girls like badboys” into Ask Jeeves, one of those old search engines that died when Google got big. Somehow, that led me to Fastseduction.com and other community websites, but all I did for a long time was read, and never really practiced much. Then one day I was in a bar and ran into Tyler Durden, Mystery, Twentysix (Extramask in the game) and a bunch of other guys. I recognized Mystery and introduced myself. I wound up hanging out with those guys for several months just before they left for Project Hollywood, and I actually almost went to Project Hollywood, but I had to finish school.

What was your biggest sticking point?

My biggest sticking point was having no balls. I wouldn’t talk to girls, and when I WOULD talk to girls, I wouldn’t take any risks in the conversation, I wouldn’t try to move it anywhere. Also, I thought too much and over-analyzed things.

Why did you choose the name Tenmagnet?

This story is hilarious. When I first started going out and opening, I had a bit of a problem. I would warm up on some (ahem) less attractive (ahem) girls at the beginning of the night, and they would wind up LOVING me way too much and buying me drinks and following me around and stuff. So I called myself Sixmagnet…. as in a magnet for sixes. I thought it was a funny joke, but eventually I dealt with that problem and changed my name to Tenmagnet. I’d have to say though, in full honesty, I’m more of a nine point five-magnet.

What is your life like now with women?

My life with women is fantastic. I don’t talk publicly about my love life in any detail, since the girls I date know how to use Google and frankly I find it pretty tacky, but my love life is basically all I could ask for. If anything, I feel like I’ve been doing the player thing for a bit too long now, and I’m keeping my eyes out for a girl that can challenge me and be a good long term girlfriend… but I’m not in a big hurry.

What is one of your favorite routines?

All of my favorite routines are real stories about my life. I guess one of my favorites is a really awesome story I tell about how Johnny Cash rules, and I basically turn women into Johnny Cash fans.

I like my women, and I like my Johnny Cash; but what I LOVE is women that like Johnny Cash.

Do you use props? If so, what would be the one that gets the most reaction?

I wear a giant silver codpiece and carry a fencing sword.

Nah, just kidding, I have an iPod video with a picture of my little cousin on it. I show girls the photo of my cousin, and they (always) look through the rest of the photos. Of course, the rest of the photos make me look like some superman rockstar. The best thing about this prop is that it’s totally smooth… They were sneaking around and just happened to find a treasure trove of stuff that makes me look awesome.

Can you relate one of your favorite field reports?

There’s the time I sarged Kursten Dunst. Otherwise, I don’t write field reports. You’ll understand when the love of your life finds your field reports.

I was there doing a one-on-one with a student who I will refer to as K (don’t know if he posts here). We were walking through the NoLita neighborhood checking for sets, on the way to meet up with some of K’s friends. We has spent all afternoon doing day game, and were a little bit “sarged out”. I was looking forward to sitting down, having a beer and watching the hockey game (the Stanley Cup was on).

Walking down the street, I see a girl sitting outside a fancy-pants bar smoking a cigarette. K says to me, “do you think that was Kursten Dunst”, and I say… “nahh….. was it?”

No lie guys, Kirsten Dunst was having a cigarette outside this bar, and I wasn’t going to let that opportunity go by!

So, we turn around, and head into the bar in question. It’s totally packed, and I quickly ascertain that Kirsten is in a back corner, surrounded by an entourage of about 8 people. There is no lock in position, and it looks like a tough situation.

I talk to the waiter, and arrange for us to get the table closest to theirs, it will be at least 20 minutes.

I decide my best bet is to sarge her when she goes out for her next cigarette, there will be an interrupt 10 minutes in (as they finish their cigarettes and go inside), but that’s enough time to get locked into a set, to the point where they’re pursuing conversation with me.

I buy a cigarette off a guy nearby and get ready…

Kirsten walks out with 2 friends (guy and girl) to have a cigarette… I pause a minute or so, and join them.

10M: “Hey, (to Kirsten’s friend) can I get a light?”
Entourage: “No problem”…
10M: “Allright (engaging guy and girl, ignoring Kirsten), check this out. My buddy, Dave, just called me to say he can’t make it out tonight, because (jealous girlfreind opener)… are like, New York girls crazy or what?”
Entourage: Yada yada yada…

10M: “Ok, check out my crazy New Yorker story… this just happened to me today, and I’m visiting from out of town”
Kirsten: “Are you from Canada?? ABOOT ABOOT… I can tell!!!”
10M: “Listen, little one, don’t make me come down there!… So I’m at the corner of 1st and 60th, and this old, beat up car comes to the intersection. It’s spewing black, oily smoke, and there’s actually FLAME licking out from under the bumper… like an honest to goodness FLAME.”

“So I try and wave this guy down, and he doesn’t see me. So I walk in front of the car, yelling ‘DUDE!! YOUR CAR IS ON FIRE!! GET OUT’… and the guy’s window is open, and he can hear me. And you know what he does???”

(at this point, I make a face and give Kirsten Dunst and her entourage the finger)..”He flips me the bird and drives off in his burning fucking car!!!”

(Everyone laughs)

Kirsten: “New Yorkers are so mean” (kinos me)..

I’m thinking to myself… “Did Kirsten Dunst just kino me? Did she just run her hand down my arm??”

Yes she did… and it was legit.

I holds out my hands in front of me… Kirsten puts her hands in mine, palm down (IOI).

I look at her palms, raise my eyebrow and say “Hmm… interesting”, and push her palms away.

Kirsten: “What… what???”

I walk past Kirsten and lean against some fancy car parked in front of the club… the alarm doesn’t go off (thankfully… that would have sucked BAD). Kirsten follows.

Kirsten Dunst is now facing me, as I lean up against some fancy car, and her hands are in mine. I begin running a palmreading routine.

Kirsten is eating up my palmreading routine, but at this point her friends have finished their cigarettes, and are going inside. I’m losing Kirsten – she is being pulled away by her friends, and feels uncomfortable being outside, alone, with a guy she just met. I’m also at a good point in the palmreading routine, where I feel she is hooked on hearing the end of it… if an interrupt is to come, this is the best time for it.

10M: “Your friends are leaving… go join them… shoo”. And I push her away… she smiles at me and goes back into the bar.

As I get back into the bar, the waiters are just about ready to give us our seats… very good. We wait a few minutes, and start to take our seats.

As we sit down, Kirsten’s table gets up to leave. I’m like “crap!!!” and start thinking of what I can do to save this sarge. They go outside, and I pop out 30 seconds later (don’t want to look like I’m chasing them), and they’re already halfway down the street… and just like that, Kirsten Dunst is gone!

Oh well… it was an awesome experience. And the really cool thing that I noticed was that Kirsten Dunst is a really normal girl… like there wasn’t any difference between sarging her and any other girl you meet at a club. It was really cool to realize that even celebs like Kirsten Dunst are just normal girls, with normal interests, insecurities and regular lives. No doubt, next time I run into a celebrity, I’ll be ready!

Cajun won Rules to the VIP. Can you explain what it was like to see a former student do that?

It’s great… Seeing your students succeed is one of the best feelings you can get. Every week I get emails from former students who have achieved their goals, and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Cajun was an awesome student, he was really perceptive and observant. A lot of the time, he would tell me that he learned things from me that I didn’t even teach him, he just watched me in action and reverse-engineered what I was doing. And I was like “oh yeah, I do do that, don’t I?”.

What methods have you used to become comfortable with women?

The only method I’ve used is getting off my ass and pushing myself. The way you get comfortable with women is you go out and talk to women. Work on your body language and get chilled, and you’ll start getting good reactions from the women you talk to. Pretty quickly, once women start giving you good reactions when you talk to them, you’ll start feeling comfortable with women.

Nothing works like success.

Which pick up artists have inspired you the most?

Every time I hang out with other PUA’s, I get inspired and learn things. I’d have to say that the guys who influenced me the most early on were TwentySix and Tyler Durden. More recently, guys like Future and Dahunter have shown me things that really changed my game.

What did you learn from them?

From Twentysix, the notion that picking up should be fun. From Future, a million ways that you can be really direct and strong and lead a woman, and Dahunter has this bodylanguage that is a million times more relaxed than I thought you could get away with. Dahunter’s bodylanguage is so chilled you think he’s going to fall over sometimes.

You trained Cajun. Can you tell us what he was like?

Cajun (his interview) was smart and driven. He didn’t make excuses and he just did what I told him to. “Go approach that set”… “Tell those girls you like salad, and then try and turn that into a conversation”, whatever I gave him, he just went for it. He had no shame, no fear.

Also, he was chilled. He knew how to just turn the game off and be a normal dude. To be honest, not a lot of guys in the community can just sit and have a beer with you and talk about movies or sports or something, Cajun can do that. That’s why we became friends.

How did you tailor his training?

Every time Cajun would do something wrong, I slapped him upside the head.

Every student has a unique set of issues that you need to deal with. Thankfully I have enough experience that I can pretty much identify a student’s problems within 10 minutes of meeting them. Cajun tried to hard and talked too much and negged too much, but he learned quick. After that, it was just a matter of refining things.

What specific sticking points did you notice with him?

Cajun, like many guys in the game, talked too much. A girl would be totally into him, and instead of kissing her or taking her home, he would read her palm and spit game at her. So I chewed him out a few times. Cajun is smart, I didn’t have to teach him things twice.

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David Wygant (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:57:51 +0000

I finally spoke with David Wygant a few days ago, and this is a coach who has been teaching guys how to be successful with women and dating long before the seduction community was popular. In this candid interview, David unloads about how he got his start, successful places to meet women, killer ways to increase your charisma, client experiences, and what you can expect by using his proven dating strategies.

DONOVAN: My first question is how did you get your start as a dating coach?

DAVID WYGANT: You know, that’s a great question. I get asked that question all the time. And I’ve been doing this for ten years now, and I was doing it before it was really cool. You know, there was a couple guys of guys around – actually there was one guy around that I knew who was doing it when I did it and that was Ross Jeffries and as you know Ross does more seduction and NLP stuff and there was a couple of other guys but I didn’t really know them and it was just – it was like one of those things that I wanted to do something to help people but I wasn’t quite sure what it was so I moved to Los Angeles from San Diego.

I was teaching sales seminars and motivational seminars about how to become rich, and the problem was that everyone wanted to become rich but no one wanted to do the work, so it wasn’t really fun teaching these people because they just wanted to make money but didn’t want to develop the inner confidence so I was in Los Angeles and I was really tired of bars and clubs and everything else. I thought bars and clubs were for people that – you know for kids in their twenties. You know, I just didn’t want to do it anymore.

I didn’t want to stand in a bar, so I started dating out of the Coffee Bean in Brentwood and Whole Foods in Brentwood and Blockbuster. And I would hang out on a Saturday and these guys would ask me how my week was and I’d say “It’s great. I met this girl Tuesday night. We went out Tuesday night. I met this other girl when I was renting a movie Wednesday and went to her house and rented a movie with her.” And all of a sudden these guys started following me into Whole Foods. Every time I went there to get a sandwich, I would say “Watch my dog” and they would say “No, we want to watch you in Whole Foods.” And they would follow me, and they would take notes, and they said “This is like a bootcamp, man. This is so cool!” And the numbers started increasing. It started with two and one weekend I looked around – I had 20 guys sitting there waiting for me to get up. Every time I got up, they got up. Every time I sat down, they sat down. And I looked at this, and I looked around, and I realized that there was probably a good salary sitting there.

DONOVAN: (Laughs)

DAVID WYGANT: And I was like “This is crazy, I can charge for this!” Then I started charging, and people started coming to it, and that’s how the bootcamps grew. I mean, I did this based on really trying to find something that really suited my personality that I would love.

DONOVAN: That’s awesome! How did you get good at dating to become an authority in it?

DAVID WYGANT: You know, it’s funny. Dating I learned – and you know there were a couple of moments in my life. You know, one, I realized that standing around in a bar or a restaurant was a waste of time. I remember one – no, I remember two things. I was living in Colorado. I was walking out of the supermarket. My hair was standing up on end. I just had a two hour massage. I just worked twelve hours. And you know you’re in that mindset where you’re just not in the mood to talk. And this gorgeous woman walked in, and you know how it is. It’s like slow-motion when they walk in, right? And then all of a sudden I saw her and she smiled and I smiled at her and the next thing you know – I just – she walked by me, I walked by her, I walked to the car – like any average chump would do. Got in the car, started the car, and I realized at that moment “What am I doing? What the fuck? What am I doing? Why am I not going in there and talking to her?” And, you know, then I thought to myself “What am I going to say to her? What am I going to do?” And it’s not like I didn’t have game. It’s not like I wasn’t good with women. I just didn’t recognize opportunities all the time.

I decided that was going to be the night I was going to tell the truth. So I walked in – I turned the car off, I walked in the market, I saw her in the fruits and vegetables section. I walked over, I looked at her, and said “Hey.” I said “Don’t say a word.” She said “Why?” And I told her exactly what I did – I went to the car, I thought about it. I was thinking about what to say. You know I started laughing a little bit. She started laughing. When I was done with my little speech, you know, my minute speech, she looked at me and goes “My name is …” And of course I don’t remember what her name was because it was such a long time ago, right? We spent the next three days together. And that moment made me realize that opportunities were everywhere and I was just wasting time. And, I mean, I’ve been in a lot of people-related businesses – bars and so forth – so I just started meeting women everywhere and started realizing that if you treat women like you treat your friends, and if you’re honest and you talk to them and if you have no expectations, then you can become phenomenal at dating and women would start calling and chasing you. And it just became this like snowball effect. I mean I would study people, but it’s just – I mean – it’s a lifetime – I’m 45 – it’s a lifetime of experience to get me where I am right now.

DONOVAN: Wow. The next question, can you relate a success story about one of your coaching clients?

DAVID WYGANT: I’ve got so many. I’ve coached over 1000 people privately from my bootcamps and everything, but I’ll give you probably one of my favorite stories over the last couple of weeks. Because every week I work with different people. And I’m going to tell you about a guy who came to one of my bootcamps. He was a guy that was, he was not bad lookin’, you know just what everyone would consider an average guy. You know, nice smile, kinda short. You know, insecure. Absolutely could not meet a woman ANYWHERE, except you know unless she fell in his lap and it was easy.

So we’re doing the bootcamp and we’re walking around. And when I do a bootcamp I’m taking guys out. I’m with them the entire time. I’m engaging. I’m teaching them. I’m teaching them how to meet women. So we’re standing on the street, and I said to him “Look, I’m going to get a sandwich. Here’s my dog.” So, you know, my dog sat by his side cause my dog doesn’t need a leash and sat by the side. All of a sudden he sees this woman, and he thinks to himself “What would David do in this situation?” Right? So she’s walking a dog. All of a sudden he blurts out something like “I don’t know if our dogs make a good match. What do you think?” He said ANYTHING – but based on what I taught him: the power of observation – relating to something a woman’s already thinking about – her dog. She stopped. They started talking. Another one of the guys in the bootcamp migrated over. He tried to butt in the conversation. She pushed him out and started talking to him.

I went out there and I figured I wanted to check up on him. I started trying to talk to the girl. She pushed me out and kept talking to him. Finally after about 15 minutes, she looks at him and says “Well maybe I’ll see you around the neighborhood.” He says “Well, I don’t live here.” She says “Well, that doesn’t matter. We should get together another time.” And he says “Absolutely.” And she wrote her phone number on his arm cause he didn’t have a piece of paper nor his cell phone with me cause I had a no cell phone rule during the bootcamp. He looked at me and he said to me, he said “David,” he said “A woman picked me over you. Obviously I learned some pretty good shit this weekend!”

DONOVAN: (Laughs) Nice!

DAVID WYGANT: And that to me made me so happy, because you know what? It’s all about the student and all about teaching them how to really relate perfectly to women. But man, my student outdoing me after a weekend means that I did my job cause that never happened to him in his entire life.

He never met a beautiful – I mean this woman was not average looking. She was hot, and the moral of the story is: Any guy can meet any woman because I’ve been coaching women too for 10 years, and what men don’t realize is that men are so visual and we find something we like and immediately we get a crush on it. But women, they don’t know what they like until you walk in with confidence, attitude and everything else. All of a sudden you might be short and bald, and the woman will go “Oh my God, I’m so turned on by the short bald guy because of the way he’s carrying himself and the way he talks and listens to me.” It’s really that simple.

DONOVAN: That’s awesome. And what do you think guys greatest mistake with women is?

DAVID WYGANT: The greatest mistake guys make with women is that they think they have to memorize a routine to meet a woman. Guys make it so much harder for themselves than it really is. I am so anti-routine, it’s unbelievable. You know, I look at routines and I think to myself “Why would some guy want to be a robot, because once that robotic routine is over you go out on a date – the next thing you know you go out on a date, the woman expects the robotic routine guy and you’re still the same person. So what guys don’t realize is that women are so easy to meet if you spend time working on your inner game. And how do you work on inner game? You develop real confidence, ok? You start observing life. You start observing women. You start looking at what they’re doing, and you talk to to them about things they’re doing at the moment so the conversation is casual.

For instance, if a woman is in a supermarket. She’s standing in line behind you, and she has a bag of chips, a thing of sushi and some orange juice. Make a comment about her food cause she’s already thinking about it. The next thing you know, you’re having a casual conversation based on the food and she starts talking about your food and you can start leveling down in that conversation. What guys think they have to do, is they think they have to come up with something really clever. But it’s not being clever, it’s being observant and saying something that’s in the moment because guys ruin it by being routine-based and they take a woman out of their mindset and then the woman looks at them as “Why is this idiot performing a routine on me?” They’ve seen them already, so I teach guys how to be real and not be the cliché. So guys don’t realize how simple it is to talk to women. I think that’s the number one thing they don’t realize is that you just need to say something, and if you say it with authority a woman’s going to respond to you.

DONOVAN: Yeah. I think a lot of the reasons guys use a routine is because they haven’t had that success with women, and they – they’re looking for, uh, sort of something that can bridge that gap for them in their mind. But, what – with that – I know you’re anti-routine, what is the best way for a guy to become more observant and become more charismatic in a natural way?

DAVID WYGANT: You know it’s really easy, and something I do with every client. I just did it with a client in DC, and the guys, and in one week he transformed his entire life. He used to go out and think about what to say, think about what to do. And I said “You know what? Instead of doing this – Instead going out there thinking about the date and trying to get the number, spend two days just observing and walking around your life. Take a notebook with you. Take your BlackBerry. Do some mental notes, you know, type in some mental notes on your BlackBerry.

Go around and every time you see a woman, observe what she’s doing. So you’re in supermarket. You see a woman. She’s looking at Cap’n Crunch. Write down ‘I saw a woman in Whole Foods today looking at Cap’n Crunch.’” Then the next exercise is, “What would you say to her in that situation?” And it’s funny. We’ve been taught to be so anti-intuitive our entire life, that if you go back to the basics and you start working on your intuition again, all of a sudden you start coming up with your own opening lines. And I’ve got a lot of products that teach guys how to come up with their own openers and get comfortable with it, because your own opener is the best thing because you can actually talk about it. So this client of mine went in. This is actually a story from his existence. He actually was in Whole Foods. This woman looked at Peanut Butter Bumpers. All of a sudden he did this exercise, and he said “Peanut Butter Bumpers? What are you – a child?” Right?

He sent all his own openers back to me over the next two days, and I said to him “Everything you thought about was actually 100% correct because you stopped thinking and started reacting.” When you stop thinking and start reacting, the things you initially think about are the most powerful openers that you could possibly come up with because there are things that you notice. That’s why bars don’t work, because there’s nothing in a bar that really – you really have to be very clever and you really have to be very funny and I’ve got five or six openers for bars that work. But you know what, in every day life you’re doing things that you normally do so you have something to talk about in every situation. And when you have something to talk about in every situation, you’re able to actually open her based on something you’re already knowledgeable about so you’ll have a conversation instead of wondering what to say.

DONOVAN: Huh. That’s a good point! In your personal experience, what’s the best place and/or location to find a quality girlfriend?

DAVID WYGANT: Uh, there’s so many quality girlfriends. I believe in breaking it down into 20, 20, 20, 20, 20 – that’s five twenties. My math is off. Um, I like the Internet, for one. Um, the Internet’s wonderful for a couple reasons, and I do the Internet a lot different. I don’t contact women – I see who looked at me and I basically contact them and I bust them. I’ve got a great Internet opener I use all the time. I like to do your daily routine.

Your daily routine should be broken down. 20% of it should be your lunch routine, meaning where do you go to lunch every single day. You see the same people every day. Your office building you see the same people every single day. On a subway to work if you live in a city. On a bus to work if you take a bus. You know, whatever it might be. Whatever you do during the day are things that you need to start doing because you can talk to people who work in the same area so you’ll have something in common. Another thing is your daily routines on the weekends.

Those are really good too because women are really vulnerable on the weekends because what happens is – is that they’ve been chased by a bunch of horny hungry drunken wolves on a Friday night and they’re alone on a Saturday. I love to meet women alone on a Saturday and Sunday, anywhere from the malls to the bookstores. You know, just doing the things I like to do. Because if you do what you like to do, and women are doing what they like to do, you’ve got something to talk about. Then I like parties. I like to get invited to little parties. Maybe art gallery openings. Maybe, you know, store openings. Whatever it is. Get invited to some sort of party, because once again that’s something that might be an interest of you and you’re able to go and actually have a conversation.

Then the last bit – the last little bit – is just going out at night. But I like to go out and do alternate nights. Instead of going out to a bar on a Friday night, I’ll go to like – I’ll go to a bookstore and I’ll go talk to a woman in a bookstore because, you know, she doesn’t want to deal with drunken guys. Or I’ll go to cafes where women are sitting at. There are a lot of coffee shops that are really cool at night, and women are there trying to get away from the hungry horny guys, so I’ll go in, bring a book and a magazine, and I’ll start a conversation.

I tell a guy to look at your entire life, figure out the things you like to do – the five or six things you like to do – look at where you find women, and that’s where you start cultivating meetings that are natural and easy.

DONOVAN: Huh. Umm. Ok. I’m just going through some of my questions here. Some of them are self-evident by this point. (Laughs) Would you have any techniques or methods for enlarging your social circle?

DAVID WYGANT: Yeah, I mean there’s a couple different things. And what men make – you know guys, men, boys, whatever it is, whoever’s listening to this and reading this – the number one mistake that guys make besides trying to complicate things, is that they just don’t enlarge their social circle. Meaning, that they’re out. They’re, you know, they’re sitting in a coffee shop and they’re waiting for the one woman that they’re attracted to to walk in. I tell them to talk to everybody. Talk to the men.

Talk to the women. Because what happens is the more people you get to know, the easier it is to meet people. For instance, when I moved to Los Angeles I went to Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf, sat there, talked to every single person, and after a month when I went to the supermarket and the woman – the chubby woman I wasn’t really attracted to but I talked to her cause she was really nice- I ran into her at Whole Foods and she had a beautiful friend with her. I walked directly over to her and I already – I had instant social proof. You know, I was a friend of hers. I got to meet her good-looking friend. So I tell guys talk to everybody. Remember things about everybody.

I don’t care if it’s the person cutting your meat and putting, you know, the roast beef on your sandwich. I don’t care if it’s the person who works at the Post Office. Cause all these people are people who will enlarge your social circle, and each of them will introduce you to that beautiful woman without you having to do anything. It’s about attracting women, and this attracts them. It’s such a simple approach that most men forget to do.

DONOVAN: Hmm. Something I’ve found because I live in a cold climate, and it’s a desolate region, what are some things – some date ideas – that you have for people who live in the not-so-glamorous areas of the country?

DAVID WYGANT: Well, here’s the thing. I mean first dates to me are just – if you’re going to go out to dinner, you’re conducting an interview. I like dates – I like dates that are fun, and women like dates that are adventurous. So I like to head indoors. One of my favorite things to do, and I set it up perfectly with a woman on the phone. I’ll start talking to her a little bit, you know, and I’ll say “You know what? I haven’t been to Target in so long. I’ve got to get some stuff for the house.” Women love Target. I mean, they just love it. I mean, it’s like, it’s fun. You can go to Target and it’s like an adult playground. You can go there and play baseball in the middle of the aisles. You can sit in the home and garden section and crack open a box of wine. I mean, there’s plenty of things to do. But what I like to do is go to Target cause it’s an adventure date inside. And when I get there. You know, we’re shopping a little bit. I look at her and go “Do you want to play a game? Have you played Treasure Hunt yet?” She’ll say “What’s Treasure Hunt?” because women are like little kids. Man, they just want to have a good time. And I’ll go “Treasure Hunt – I’ll tell you what. I’m feeling really generous today.

You can buy anything – or, you know what, I’ll buy you ANYTHING for $1.79. No, make it $1.73. But you’ve got to find something for EXACTLY $1.73, and you can spend the next two hours COMBING, combing Target for stuff that’s a buck seventy-three.” And she’ll put it in, she’ll look at it, she’ll try to bargain an extra nickel, she’ll be willing to put a dime in to get something else. I mean, it’s a blast and it’s fun, and then she has a takeaway from the date. She remembers that date. And that means so much more to her than a bottle of wine spent in a restaurant. Other things I like to do – go to like, you know, kind of small little stores and walk around. Go to the mall and walk around.

You know, do things that are just activity dates so you don’t have to be sitting across from each other. I like to take a walk in the park, then go grab some hot chocolate in a cool little cafe. That way you get warm together. You get to talk about, you know, things, but, you know, active moving instead of sitting.

DONOVAN: Ok. Then to sum it up, what products do you have that are your basic fundamental products and what do they help with specifically?

DAVID WYGANT: I’ve got a lot of different products. I’d say, but one of the products – it depends on what the guy’s looking for. I mean, my favorite product is my Men’s Mastery Series for every reason because it’s 8 hours of pure, you know, inner game to outer game. It’s going to teach you how to be confident. It’s going to teach you how to observe women. It’s going to teach you how to understand women. It’s going to teach you how to open women. It’s going to teach you how to have sex with women. It’s going to show you how to be the man that women are looking for, but what it’s gonna do is it’s really going to open your eyes to everything because – It’s funny, a guy just ordered my, uh, Mastery Series a few days ago. He lives in Brazil. He used one of my observational openers that I have in the Mastery Series, and he met one of the biggest tv stars that in Brazil.

Because he didn’t get intimidated. There’s an exercise I have in there that teaches you how to – how to basically turn on sexual chemistry and elevate sexual attraction within the first 15 seconds, because what men don’t realize is that women think of sex IMMEDIATELY. If you walk over to them the correct way, and I teach men the walk. If you walk correctly over to a woman and look at her the way she wants to be looked at, she’s going to look at you as her next potential sex partner immediately. And there’s a few tricks that I teach guys in there. But I really go through everything on teaching men how to be a real man instead of a performing robot who’s routine-based. It teaches you how to be natural and attract, and have women come after you instead of you chasing women all the time.

I’m going to be adding David Wygant to my list of Top Dating Coaches of 2007 because I’ve had many readers email me and ask me to include him. I was so impressed with David that I’m trying to convince him to start an exclusive column here, it might be a hard sell, but I’m gonna do my best. – Donovan

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Carlos Xuma (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:40:15 +0000

How did you get your start in the seduction community?

Well, I actually started researching this back in the 90s, way back before there was ANYTHING online about dating and attraction with women. I remember the first book I got that hinted that there might be more to getting a girlfriend than giving flowers to her and calling her for dates. It was called “Love Tactics.” It’s a bit elementary now, but it was revelatory for me back then. I still have my copy, and it’s battered and highlighted from years of speculation and developing my ideas about the concepts.

It started with what I consider to be the most important concept of all in interpersonal dynamics: Push-Pull.

This once principle covers more about the psychology of attraction than almost anything else.

From there I created my first e-book (The Dating Black Book) to explain the complete “Dating Dynamic” so that you can understand women and how things work in the attraction cycle. Short term and long term.

After that I created a whole curriculum for guys who want to learn how to have a full Alpha Lifestyle, from approaching women, to reaching your personal goals, to making the relationship YOU want to have. I really think it’s all about choice.

I’ve been a guest on David D’s Interviews with Dating Gurus program, as well as a guest and keynote speaker with many of the conferences.

I’ve also done radio and television to help get this information out to as many of my Alpha Brothers out there as I can. Next month, I’ll be in LA as part of the Mystery Method Superconference.

What is your life like now with women?

I have no scarcity in my life with women. I find that women are constantly trying to be a part of my life, and that is very gratifying.

My personal philosophy is to date many women, and then look for the best prospect from the bunch to give my time to. I don’t waste my time or jeopardize my confidence and self-esteem by chasing after women. I let the best candidate raise her hand and make it clear that she’s the one for the role.

I maintain a level of self-respect that ensures that I am a prize in HER eyes, first and foremost. Then I can feel much more confident giving her my attention and focus.

It’s a bit of a philosophical stance, but it’s CRITICAL to guys out there who are on this path to realize that if you feel that you need to “prove yourself” to the women you want, you’re sacrificing an essential part of your self-respect.

Women want to BUY, not BE SOLD.

Right now, I’m in a relationship with a beautiful Filipino woman – who wants to be a WOMAN for me. Not my competition to be the Man. (Watch out for those women, guys!)

You’ve been around for a few years now, but some guys haven’t heard of you. What are your fundamental teachings?

REAL Game is what I teach.

What is “REAL Game”?

The philosophy is that you will attract any woman you want more effectively if you come from a place of being REAL with her. Not to be confused with that lame advice of “just be yourself.”

And, it’s also a double-acronym…

Here’s how it goes…

R = Relaxed & Resourceful

Relaxation is at the heart of all successful game AND good self- confidence. And you can’t be resourceful to use all those techniques you learned without being relaxed. An anxious state is your enemy when it comes to dating and pickup.

E = Effective & Energized

Effective, meaning that you use only techniques that are as congruent as possible to YOU. Energized meaning that you have to jack up your energy level a few notches. Most guys are not projecting their inner power and personality outward. They keep it hidden from view, and that kills attraction.

A = Alpha & Authentic

The Alpha Man is my model for the modern dominant man that knows and is confident in his masculine traits. You can read about this in most of my programs. Authentic means that you need to be genuine. I’m not saying “just be you,” because that’s worthless advice. You need to be the BEST you possible.

L = Lifestyle & Lasting

The only way to become truly successful with women (or A woman) over the long term is to make these attraction skills a part of your LIFE. You don’t just approach women at a bar or club – you approach them everywhere you go. Otherwise, they won’t last.

That’s a brief overview of my philosophy.

How do you differ from other gurus?

Well, I’m good friends with most of these guys in the “community,” but I really don’t limit my scope to just that area. I really feel that this is about overcoming a major social problem with the emasculation of men.

Now, I’m not some kind of conspiracy nut or something. In fact, I really believe that most of the things people think of as conspiracies are just the slippery slope of our natural tendencies toward laziness.

But in the last 30 years, there has been a distinct FEMINIST slant to everything, and guys need to maintain their strength against this to remain attractive to women.

I differ from most of the other “gurus” in that I show guys the COMPLETE picture. It’s not JUST about pickup and attracting women.

In fact, if that’s all you focus on, your self-esteem will actually suffer – along with your lifestyle.

You must make pickup and attraction skills part of an overall Alpha Lifestyle. What I mean by this is that you have to be working on your own life – and be happy WITHOUT women before you will be able to truly attract the women you want. Or you will not keep them.

Being attractive isn’t just skin deep for guys – it has to go right to the BONE.

Can you relate one of your favorite field reports either personally or one of your students?

Well, I am a very private person by nature, but I always share information that helps guys understand the Game better and improve.

There has been a big focus these days on “hidden video” and things like that, which really don’t help your skills with women. In fact, too much focus on watching OTHER people do this stuff is going to get you all messed up because you become what I call “hyper-analytical.” That’s basically where you just can’t let go of the need to compare yourself to unreasonable examples.

I’ll relate a story of my friend in Seattle. When I went up to the lair up there to present and do a mini-bootcamp, we went to a really fun bar up there. (The name escapes me at the moment.)

While we were there, one of the guys comes over to me and says, “Man, I just wrecked this set I approached. It was bad.”

I asked him what had happened. He said he went over, opened up the girl he found really attractive, and used some canned material. After about a minute, he lost her attention and he felt that old “back turn”
syndrome, where the woman just uses her body language to reject you.

Well, after I found out how he was using a bunch of fake, canned material, I asked him what he would do if he was being REAL with this woman. I suggested he go back and just say to her, “Hey, you know what, I f***ed up. I came over here before trying to impress you and being a little much. I just thought you had a really nice energy about you and I wanted to get to know you better. Care to try again?”

And that worked like a champ. Her body language changed, his changed, and they got on much better. It was night and day.

What is your new Power Social Skills all about and why should a guy get it?

Well, I was inspired by an old book from the 1960s that talked about all these complicated social games we all play with each other. I started noticing how people are playing games ALL the time.

Then I thought, wouldn’t it be great if someone could explain all these games so we don’t have to get caught up in all the nonsense?

This program is the first program I’ve created for guys to use to really build their social skills from the ground up.

ALL attraction skills have their roots in what I call Power Social Skills. The skills you use to approach women comfortably, to build rapport, to get attraction – these are all developed from basic social skills.

Have you ever been in a social situation where you just knew someone was messing with you, but you didn’t know what to do about it?

Have you ever had that feeling that someone was playing games with you, but you couldn’t figure out how they were doing it, or what psychology they were manipulating?

Have you ever wondered how to get past the games, and get to a REAL connection with another person? That influential kind of connection that really gets a person to trust you and LIKE you?

I created this program to open up the complex mechanics of what happens in social situations, and give guys a skeleton key to unlock all the puzzles and games.

I go into EXTENSIVE explanation of the personality types you’ll meet, and what their motivation is. (Even your own!) I go into detail about how to read a social situation of any kind, understand what’s going on, and be able to not get gamed.

You ever had this happen: You’re hanging out with your friends and someone makes a sly comment about you, and they all chuckle. You go along with it because you don’t want to look like you’re “uptight” or “un-cool.” But somewhere deep inside, you know you were just put-down…

Do you know how to handle it?

Well, it took me years to figure these out on my own, and that was only because I was lucky enough to find some people that I could study and understand to get these secrets.

I was never the guy that was slick with people, or who could think of the right thing to say at the right time. And I HATED that. I always felt like an idiot when people messed with me, and all I could do was go along because I didn’t want to be rejected by my peers and friends.

I decided it was time to update this for our current social situation and explain all the games, all the manipulations, and then give solid advice on how you can get past them so you can get to the authentic CONNECTION that we all crave.

This program will put you into the elite status of men who know how to HANDLE PEOPLE. And that’s a powerful skill to have, and it never gets old.

Donovan: Carlos Xuma’s Power Social Skills program: This is one of those programs that comes along and you say, why didn’t someone release something on this earlier? It answers and reveals so much about social interactions. Check it out before it’s release on Wednesday.

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Interview With Neil Strauss

Editor — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:43:28 +0000

This man needs little introduction. I completed this interview with Neil just after his Sunday flight to New York City for the release of Rules of the Game. Between taxi-cabs and hotel check-in’s we were able to get it done. Enjoy.

Are you dating anyone? What tips can you give guys about relationships?

Good question. I’ve actually just started dating someone.

To me, there are two factors in a relationship and that’s you and her. you really have to screen a woman before you get into a relationship with her, if she wants you to change things about yourself, right off the top, it shows a lot of insecurity in herself. the issues might go away for a small amount of time, but they’ll rarely go away permanently. in fact, really choosing someone with having a. relationship skills or b. work on them with you. In the Style Diaries first and last chapter really explore the idea relationships and the second part of relationships and us being male, you know, so if you’re going into a relationship and you don’t want the woman to be insecure and you want respect, you need to give the same. You need to always be honest. You shouldn’t be sneaky. Some women are insecure, but some women are made insecure by guys. Say if you’re sitting there and she looks over and you shut your laptop quickly because you’re flirting with a girl on Myspace, and you get pissed when she acts insecure… Well, that’s your fault. I really think having a healthy relationship is hard. The best advice on relationships I’ve heard is from David X, he always said a lot of harsh things about relationships. But he said something profound, he said all good relationships are based on Honest, Trust, Respect. It’s made such a difference in the way I’ve handled relationships. David X saying has become such a code with Mystery and I. HTR.

Most thought you would leave the seduction community all together, but you seem to be sticking around.

It depends how you define the community. I’m not hanging out with seduction community guys and discussing tactics and routines. During the game my life really was the community. Now my life is separate from the seduction community. What I didn’t see happening is continually writing about this stuff. I get 10,000 emails from guys saying how I really want this one girl back. I just realize I have so much left to help out with. It’s such a problem. I wasn’t expecting the game to become such a hit, and so when it hit, I couldn’t turn my back on guys that wanted help.

Why write Rules of the Game?

The whole point is that there’s so much information in the community, but how do you learn it? When you go to a seminar, buy a dvd or ebook, how do you implement that in your life? If you’re a newbie or even good, if you spend 30 days doing the assignments properly, you’ll see a huge change in your life. That’s why I wrote it. It can change men’s lives forever.

What about the game movie?

I suppose there will be one day. Nothing soon, I’ll be married with children by that time. The Dirt with Motley Crue, which was 8 years ago, their still working on the screenplay. That’s why I’m writing books.

What is the most important skill for attracting women that most guys in the community seem to neglect?

That’s described on Day 16 of the Stylelife Challenge. I realized, after writing The Game, that this was the missing link that explains why two guys can go out, say and do the exact same things, and have completely different results. Even if guys don’t want to buy the book, they should at least go to a bookstore and read about it. It’s only three pages.

How did you score the part in Curb Your Enthusiasm?

Well, Larry was a fan of the game when it came out. He was married at that point, but joked about coming out “sarging” with me. I got a call from him wanting me to have a role on Curb. It was awesome. Now that he’s divorced I wonder if he’s using the game now.

What is your important announcement?

Myspace has always been really supportive of my books. And when they heard about Rules of the Game, we discussed a series of videos teaching guys to approach and interact with women. But I thought about it, and decided that instructional videos can be boring. So instead, I decided to film extreme pickup battles.

So I had David Faustino and Corin Nemec come to my house. David knows the game; Corin doesn’t. So we decided to see who would fare better with women. But to be fair to the guy without game, we decided to give David handicaps. The first episode is based on something Hypnotica once said: David goes to Corin, “Even though you’re taller and better-looking, I bet I can pick up more women than you – and, just to prove my point, I’ll do it with a dildo strapped to my head.”

All the approaches are real, and I learned some incredible things. The harder we thought we were making it for David, the easier it actually got. It really proved the point that standing out is better than fitting in, and reinforced so much of what I learned during the game. Each episode, we pushed it further and further, to ridiculous extremes.

Like what?

Let’s just say that you’ll be surprised by how easy it actually is to get phone numbers when you’re bound and gagged.

Thanks Neil!

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Evan (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:30:07 +0000

You may have heard of this energetic woman before. Evan was one of Tynan’s Angels, she recently did an interview with Pickup Podcast, and has a unique perspective on the seduction community we’re all a part of. Over the last year we’ve become good friends and talk on the phone to catch up on our lives every month or so…

I’m Evan. I am a 25-year-old Texas girl and I currently reside in beautiful Austin, TX with the two big loves of my life, my stilettos and my books. I work as a writer and a sex educator, and I am so thankful to have the best job ever. I basically get to talk to guys all day and answer their questions about the ladies, sex, dating, pick up, the ladies, relationships and ladies. I wouldn’t describe myself as a PUA, but I do have a committed interest in the art and science of seducing women, mostly because they have less body hair than men and are usually better kissers as well. I’m even hoping to be seduced myself someday…

How did a nice girl like you get mixed up with the seduction community?

Good question! I’m a freelance writer. I met Tynan, aka Herbal, and he hired me to write for him at Tynan’s Angels (warning: DO NOT visit that site if you’re scared to see me in my undies). And so began my foray in the world of professional seducers. My knowledge of pickup as a science prior to becoming an Angel was peripheral, but my interest in pulling has always been keen. I’m a huge fan of the ladies (as well as the occasional guy), and sex and dating are occupational necessities. Pick up was instantly fascinating and addictive.

When I met Ty, I was hopelessly naive and had to educate myself quickly. I signed up for every mailing list you can imagine, perused the major forums, subscribed to blogs and of course read The Game. Within a few weeks, I had immersed myself entirely and just soaked up all of the information I could get my hands on.

I’m a card carrying feminist and I had to take my time working through the ethical concerns I had. On a very large scale, the battle of the sexes was devolving into a messy jumble of manipulation and women were not on the winning end. There were so many questions on my mind. Is seduction manipulative by definition? Was I helping or hindering women by participating, even on an intellectual level, in an industry full of people who perhaps weren’t acting in the best interest of females everywhere? And more to the point, was it wrong that I liked it all so much?

What changed your mind?

I began to realize that, at its best, pick up is about giving women what they really want. It isn’t about coercing an unwilling victim into bed. It’s about tapping into women’s real desires and letting that knowledge inform your interactions in a natural way. As a culture, our fundamental understanding of the dynamics between men and women is evolving all the time, and allowing that evolution to occur with greater insight and education benefits everyone. At its worst, the community is still an outlet for misogyny and bitterness, but only a small percentage of the men I’ve met really hold on to those beliefs. Most guys absolutely love women, and I’ve grown to appreciate the men who take the time to use pick up as part of the overall self-improvement package.

Meeting and becoming close to some truly amazing guys in the community also changed my perception. Tynan (sorry, Herbal), Magnus, Donovan (adore you) and several others have been so honest, perceptive, smart and cool that I was quickly convinced: sometimes PUAs are just better. There is something so respectable and admirable about a guy who is secure enough to admit that they need some help finding and wooing the women of their dreams and that they’re willing to invest a lot in making their lives and relation ships better.

I had spent my teen years feeling profoundly frustrated with the conflicted messages I had received growing up about female sexuality. I was bursting at the seams with unexpressed sexual energy and really wanted to feel fulfilled, but guys treated me like they had been raised to treat ‘nice girls’. Basically, I was dying to meet someone who recognized that I actually liked sex. As an adult, I was happy to date women exclusively to get the things I really wanted. It was amazing finally meeting men who knew the truth: that I probably want sex more than they do.

What counter-intuitive methods have worked well for you?

Learning to view attraction as a series of psychological and behavioral cues rather than seeing it exclusively as chance, chemistry or compatibility was a huge stride for me. I’ve realized that I can go through essentially the same steps in any interaction with a girl and end up with a similar result, even if she’s ‘straight’. Most girls are so overwhelmed by feeling inexplicably attracted to another woman that they are more than happy to tread all over their internalized taboos—it just makes the idea of being seduced that much more exciting for them. Before I would have felt out of place pulling a girl who was new to girls, but now it’s just extremely fun.

How does that apply to guys in the field?

If I can get a straight girl to give me her number, I know men can too. Oftentimes I’m not only going through the process of approaching and attracting a girl, I’m also having to subtly plant the idea in her head that switching teams would be a fun idea.

What is your favorite color?

Pink.

What do you do when you’re not working?

Work sometimes feels like play, but I do love to relax. I read obsessively, travel and throw a lot of dinner parties. I drink champagne and eat chocolate almost every day. I’m a really good vegan chef as well and I get together with my family as often as possible to enjoy wine and dinner. The most seductive thing on the planet is a person who exudes happiness and who lives an interesting life. I try hard to exemplify those ideals.

What advice would you give to guys who are trying to improve their game?

It’s very simple: if you don’t already, learn to genuinely love and appreciate women. You can learn every routine in the book, go to every boot camp and seminar available and spend endless nights and days in the field, but if you don’t really adore and admire the girls you target, it’s a pointless and empty chase. Plus, when you genuinely like and appreciate other people it makes it easy to like yourself.

I’ve read a lot on community sites and message boards about the reasons why women are inherently less trustworthy than men, or the reasons why it’s a guy’s birthright to be dominant, to be ‘the man’, to reclaim that maleness and live out his evolutionary destiny and be loved long time by hot girls. This is a horribly flawed argument on a number of levels and it doesn’t bring guys who lack prowess with the girlies any closer to being happy. It only sends out a conflicted message, telling guys, “women kind of suck, but give us all your time, energy and money so you can learn how to make them like you.”

Any kind of negativity is the worst thing to focus on when you’re trying to improve your game. Go out, work on meeting girls, try EVERYTHING, especially if it seems crazy, and have fun. When you’re not practicing meeting pretty ladies, work on yourself. Visualize the things you genuinely want and work through anything (negative feelings or beliefs) that blocks you from feeling like you deserve to have the life you desire and achieve your most outrageous dreams. Become the guy you really want to be, and don’t be scared to give yourself permission to be unreasonably happy with your self and your life. A natural affection for women and the world at large will result, and you will be incredibly magnetic, the best version of yourself.

The next thing guys have got to learn is how to flirt! So many PUAs mask their discomfort by being too cocky or robotic. You have the ability to interact in a fun, flirtatious way with anyone you meet. Seriously, try breaking the ice by winking at every store clerk, waitress and girl on the street, whoever you see in passing in your daily life. They will almost always smile at you without even thinking about it. Grin back! I know it sounds too simple, but guys who are cheeky and flirty for no good reason are automatically attractive because they’re unafraid and are obviously having a good time. Small successes in low-pressure situations will bolster your confidence and make each subsequent approach that much easier.

Any sex advice you’d like to share?

Do your research!

If there is ANY doubt in your mind, Google it and get an anatomy lesson. You’d be amazed how many sexually ‘experienced’ guys are still fuzzy on the finer points of the female body. Also, remember that no two women are the same. I’ve read a few of the sex manuals sold widely throughout the community, and while they have some great information, they make the mistake of assuming women are all wired one way and have a single set of desires.

Take that stuff as a general guide, not as gospel truth. The only way to know what a woman likes, both physically and psychologically, is to communicate with her. The ladies and the gentlemen don’t quite speak one another’s language 100% of the time, and that means that in addition to having her tell you, you also need her to show you. That means creating a space that is both safe and exciting, and it also means starting your seduction with her mind and her emotions before moving on to the physical. Never, ever underestimate the amazing power of the mind-body connection.

If you want a woman to be stay interested and be faithful, keep her satisfied in bed. It’s that simple.

What are your goals now within the community, and in life?

I love watching my friends who are actively involved in the commercial end of things succeeding wildly and living the lives they want. I’ve been writing with greater success than I ever thought possible and have been doing a lot of one-on-one consulting with guys and couples seeking to improve their sex lives.

I’m mostly concerned, on a more personal level, with taking extra good care of the people in my life and encouraging them to become more authentically themselves. I’m constantly amazed at the high quality people who come into my life and feel really fortunate and happy. Also, if anyone can show me how to make healthy wholegrain vegan pie crust that is actually flaky, I’ll love you forever.

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Badboy (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Wed, 16 May 2007 22:54:21 +0000

Badboy, of Badboy Lifestyles is who I had the privilege of interviewing.

Badboy of Badboy Lifestyles

I’m 27 years old and live in Croatia.

I’ve never had major problems with relationships with women, even I though I was “too nice” most of the time. In high school and in college, I had lots of relationships, but usually these came from my social circle or from school. I was not able to go to bars and clubs and pull women by approaching people who I didn’t know. I didn’t have a game plan or understand what was going on out there.

That’s where I wanted to improve, and in last 5 years I tired everything, and eventually developed my own method, that has proven to work best for the type of beautiful women that most men seek. I had so much success with this that I started writing about this online, and then people started visiting me in Croatia to learn more. That’s when I got the idea of teaching structured workshops, writing books, and making DVDs and CDs. I figured if people were going to try to do what I do, they may as well learn it properly. So now I split my time between doing that and some of the computer work.

Can you describe the first time you used a counter-intuitive routine that yielded its promised results?

Being a “jerk”.

We are all thought to respect people and to be nice to them, and that doing so means that they will like or love you. It’s a bit
counter-intuitive, and we explore this in more detail in my book , but the more of a jerk you are, the more you appear to disrespect beautiful women, the more they will like you.

Sometimes you feel very bad for doing it, but its crazy how well it works.

Have you had any mentors (perhaps well-known pickup artists) within the community/life that have helped you improve your game, and what did they teach you?

Unfortunately, I never had any good teachers; I learned from observing my own successes and failures. This is one of the reasons why I was inspired to start teaching others, so they wouldn’t have to go through the long process that I did. Of course, now that I have reached the level that I am at, I’ve met some other guys who are really good with women and we share ideas all the time. Cortez is, with me, our top instructor and we learn from each other a lot.

Do you have a favorite routine/step in your model, can you describe it, and what it accomplishes?

One of my favourite things to do is to make deep eye contact with the woman I’m talking to, smile, grab her arm, and lead her to a dark corner of the club for a make-out session. It’s the principle of being very alpha and dominant and leading the interaction, without using force of course. Most women love it. This is the way I usually isolate and start getting physical.

Have you had the experience yet, where you feel that you’ve reached certain degree of mastery? Can you explain the time, and how you got it?

I don’t think my learning is over. In this game, learning in endless. Anyone who says that they have achieved mastery and does not have a lot left to learn is deluding themselves or doesn’t know how good it is possible to be. There are so many areas where one can improve and develop. Even have my years in the game, I still learn something new every day, or something I didn’t see or realize before. That’s why I love the game.

You should be dedicated to learning from every mistake you make. And trust me, you will make millions of them in the beginning.

Is there any advice you would give to newbies starting out, in order to greatly accelerate their learning curve?

I have lots to say about this. In fact, the third CD of my CD set is focused around actual “missions” that people should go through to develop that skillset. But for right now, I think the #1 thing you can do is develop your emotional intelligence. Don’t just talk with women you are attracted to; talk with everyone around you. Once you develop this kind of intuition, you will be much faster and more accurate at predicting how the woman you want feels, and how she will feel in a variety of different situations. This will help you avoid bad moves, since you will get an intuitive sense that the pickup is going in the wrong direction. In the end, Its all about her emotions. So start paying attention!

What’s your belief on inner game, and how did you improve it?

I believe that inner game is absolutely crucial. You can have all the skills on the planet, but if you don’t believe in yourself and in those tools, they won’t help you. If you just start believing in yourself, even through something simple like “They all want me” then you will start saying and doing things from that mindset. Everything starts from inner game.

The interesting thing about this is that the world around you is to a large extent just a reflection of what you think about yourself. If you think you are a loser, so will many women you meet. If you think you are a sex machine, they will too.

So be careful what do you think about yourself

Do you have a personal favorite field report that you could relay?

There are too many to list here. Most of my own experiences I talk about in our carpe diem forum, which is just for advanced guys who have taken our workshop and some of them make it into our newsletter. You can sign up for the newsletter on the home page of our website . I also hope to post more field reports in our blog http://www.badboyseduction.blogspot.com/ .

Honestly, I much prefer to read our students’ field reports than my own. Everyone knows what I can do. I’m more interested in what I can teach others to do. That’s why I really like reading Carpe Diem, so I can learn what my old students have been able to do on their own, after the workshop. Sometimes the changes and results are breathtaking. You can see some of this stuff in the public forums too, like some recent reviews of my workshops. That’s why I teach.

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Asian Playboy (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:01:10 +0000

I have had this interview on the backburner for awhile now. AsianPlayboy started his blog about six months before me, back in May 2005. Time flies… I thought his experience and interview speak for themselves. Currently, APB is in Brazil, living it up with all those hotties down there. Enjoy! -Donovan

Name: Asian Playboy (the PUA formerly known as JT47319)
Age: 28
Previous Occupation: Engineer
Current Occupation: Entrepreneur and Pick Up Coach
Time in the Game: 2 and a half+ years active. KJing and school social circles before taking my first bootcamp with Mystery.
Website: http://theasianplayboy.blogspot.com

Describe the moment, when you suddenly realized, “I need to work out this part of my life.”

I realized I needed this worked out when I moved to Los Angeles after graduating college. Previously, I had been in a serious LTR and basically every other girlfriend had been achieved via school social circles.

Enter an occupation and career path full of old people, few women, divorcees, kids, the works. It wasn’t the kind of social environment teeming with women. After struggling with “normal” type social mixers (like singles parties, speed dating, internet, etc), I knew it just wasn’t working out. I had decent Inner Game and I KNEW that brought something to the dating table, but women in the “real world” just weren’t being magically enlightened.

Frustration grew into curiousity when I read Neil Strauss’ article in a Los Angeles newspaper. Back then, bootcamps were inexpensive and because I had my health and wealth portions of my life down, I knew I needed to tackle why normal dating wasn’t working for me.

Have you had any mentors within the community/life that have helped you improve your game, and what did they teach you?

Both mentors and a strong support structure. I studied Mystery, RSD, and BadBoy/Shark. I also winged and grew as a PUA with some really great guys who are themselves very successful with regards to pick up. Guys who started off as random PUAs, but grew into my friends and supporters.

From Mystery, I learned the Art of Conversation, social proof and the female mind. From RSD I learned the intricacies of club dynamics, AMOGing, and buying temperature. From BadBoy/Shark, I learned to project and convey sexuality through tonality, action, and body language.

All essential lessons that form different parts of my overall gameplan.

Can you describe the first time you used a counter-intuitive routine that yielded it’s promised results, and how you felt?

I still remember my first ever set I cold approached. First time in my entire life that I went up to complete strangers with the intent to flirt, pick up and seduce. Terrifying to say the least.

Herbal sent me in a 5 set that had 4 hot sorority girls and one stocky, built dude. My stomach was churning, my hands were clammy, and cotton formed in my mouth. Then Herbal says, “Open with who lies more!!!”

And you know what?

IT WORKED!

The women opened up and the guy was paying attention. Unfortunately, I was so terrified, I simply got their opinion, said thank you, and ran away as fast as I could with my heart pounding in my chest. THAT was simply mind blowing that I could go in with a canned opener and start a social dynamic with the intent to succeed with women.

Could you describe what you’re life was like before you were aware of this, and/or what options you have with women now?

Before this, I had predominantly dated white, blond women that I had met via school social circles. They basically had to hit me over the head and then again for good measure. Right before moving to California, I broke up with my serious college girlfriend whom I had moved in with. I simply wasn’t ready to settle down and knew it would be unfair to her if I asked her to move with me or “wait” for me.

Currently, I do very little true cold pick up and don’t restrict myself to dating Caucasian women (experience the rainbow!). I do cold
pick up anyways for bootcamp on weekends. Now, I hook up via social circles. Both girls I’m seeing are through social circles.

One’s bisexual whom I met through a previous hookup. The other is an exotic dancer whom I also met through social circle settings. In fact, I’ve got my eye on another dancer whom I recently met via a female friend of mine (and whom has girlfriends I previously hooked up with). Pick Up really is no longer a separate pursuit for me.

It’s a lifestyle and I enjoy being a social, fun loving guy. Moving to Dallas knowing absolutely no one, I did have to cold approach in
order to establish myself. But for the most part, I never burned bridges when it came to women whether the chemistry wasn’t there, I had taken them out, made out with them, or there was absolutely nothing between us. I always tried to maintain social networks.

And it’s totally paid off.

What was your hardest/biggest sticking point?

Conveying sexuality. I think that was the hardest sticking point I had
that reached up to 3 months of hard, persistent work.I overcame it by
experminting hardcore with the direct style of Game.

Whether it was something particular to myself or endemic to other
Asian men, sexuality was the hardest skill for me to acquire and one
that I commonly see in burgeoning PUAs all the time.

Do you have a favorite routine/step in your model, can you describe it, and what it accomplishes?

I try and keep it simple. I call it the ABC’s.

A – Approach and Attract (you can have enough attraction within 30 seconds)
B – Buying Temperature (maintaining attraction or plowing if the Approach didn’t stick)
C – Comfort and Connect (form an emotional bond with her as well making her PHYSICALLY comfortable)
D – Direct Interest (phase shift… dont’ be a dancing entertainment monkey… make your move, but do it with panache and style)
E – Extract and Escalate (get her out of there and make something happen and ALWAYS have your logistics down)
F – You can figure this one out (and dealing with LMR)

A-B-C, in my opinion, is a totally different beast than D-E-F. You CAN get laid via only D-E-F. You’ll also more than likely get buyer’s
remorse, but comfort game doesn’t get you laid. Sexuality (and logistics) does. A-B-C means you’re good at socializing. D-E-F means you’re good at SEDUCING. A perhaps subtle, but key difference, in my opinion.

Have you had the experience yet, where you feel that you’ve reached a certain degree of mastery?

I don’t know if I’d label myself as a master, yet. Damn good, but master? Eh, we’ll see. I “got it” before I moved to Dallas and
“officially” retired my old newbie PUA name of JT47319 and took on Asian Playboy.

I think traveling Europe was a defining moment for because it was 1.5 months of not only hardcore sarging with my best friend, OCWaterboy, but doing so in foreign places where we didn’t know the dynamics, language, and so forth. And then for half a month I sarged a couple of Scandinvian countries on my own, the lone PUA in a sea of Scandinavians. Great times!

That was an awesome experience where it no longer felt “hard” doing pick up. Everything just CLICKED, women were more responsive, I was hooking up, and having a great time with my bros. I then lazed about for several months in California before moving to Texas, transferring both the Outer and Inner Game I had finally achieved through consistent, hard work.

What advice would you give to newbies starting out, in order to greatly accelerate their learning curve?

Have a support structure and have fun. The sad fact is, a lot of new guys (ones not successful with women at all) don’t understand that this is a long journey of self-improvement and social mastery. I use the analogy of going to “Pick Up College.” It takes time, it takes lessons, and it takes doing your homework/labs (ie field work).

You also need to surround yourself with good people who are also your friends beyond simply hanging out because you do pick up. That doesn’t last and is a totally superficial relationship. That won’t in the long term because you do need to enjoy flirting, seducing, and women in general. The longer you last, the better you’ll get. And the way to sticking in longer is through mutual minded friends and having fun in this.

I also think creating some sort of journal (blogs are the big thing now) and documenting your FRs/LRs/etc are a great tool as well. After all, you don’t want to be making the same mistakes six months down the road.

What’s your belief on inner game, and how did you improve it?

I think it’s ESSENTIAL.

Now, which one to work on first is like asking, the chicken or the egg? Outer Game and Inner Game are necessary for a successful PUA. Inner feeds Outer which also feeds Inner. You need both and they can be worked on in parallel. Doing field work, but also taking time to center yourself and pursue a successful lifestyle.

Do you have a personal favorite field report that you could relay?

I don’t write too many FRs any more simply because I have been found out here in the Dallas scene as being “APB.” Don’t think I want to get sued or deal with any of those hassles.

Now, some really old ones that I still remember had my biggest AMOG set (something like 8 guys, 2 girls and #closing my target after
befriending/ignoring the AMOGs) as well as Geoff writing up how I held a 8 (12?) set of girls at Saddle Ranch, moved them around, dominated, cavemanned, etc. Aaaah, good times, when you feel like you accomplished something that I once considered impossible.

What is your current sticking point?

How do I get better?

Hmmm…. haven’t mastered threesome game so that’s something I’m going to try and accomplish with the bisexual. I’m pretty comfortable with where I am. I never set out to be a pick up expert, I just wanted to be decently successful with women.

Now I will see where life takes me and what challenges I can overcome.

What are you goals now within the community, and in life?

Continue building up my separate entrepreneurial endeavors, one of which is being a Pick Up Coach.

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Richard La Ruina (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Editor — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:19:00 +0000

A few weeks ago I read this comment on the Dating Coaches of 2006 post:

“Personally, I’d like to choose someone who is virtually unknown, but I saw him turn guys who you wouldn’t believe had a chance, into smooth talkers with a better chance of obtaining natural game in 11 hrs. I’m a little biased, because I’m one his students. Gambler, this is for you.”

I knew I had to get in touch with this new up and comer, Richard La Ruina. After a few emails back and forth we decided to do this interview, which I think you will find extremely revealing and inspirational as I did.

Richard can be reached through his website at:

PUATraining

Describe the moment, when you suddenly realized, “I need to work out this part of my life”?

There was a night in 2001, I was 21 years old, had never kissed a girl. I was trading the stock market and doing pretty well and I said to myself “I’d give up all this for a girlfriend”. I said it out loud, and I really meant it. Having a girl then was worth more than all my material possessions and I’d probably have taken an offer to take 5 years off my life or sell my soul to the devil!

I met a girl within a few days and had a 2 ½ year relationship with her!

This boosted my confidence and at least made me semi-comfortable dealing with women.

After we broke up, I was single again and didn’t sleep with another girl for 2 ½ years. The same desperation came back. I didn’t realize I could learn how to get this sorted out, so I was focusing on improving myself – making myself more attractive by working out all my issues and problems. I lightly dipped into Speed Seduction but thought it was utter rubbish and didn’t have the balls to even try it out.

By complete chance I happened to be in Starbucks Leicester Square, London at the same time as an RSD bootcamp. I spied on things a bit and then asked Tyler Durden what was going on. He broke it down and told me to read The Game. I read it when it came out in England which was September 2005. In November, I slept with my second girl. The only game I used was to match her physical escalation. She initiated everything, even the extraction to the hotel. I felt like I wouldn’t have been able to do it if I hadn’t read the book.

Have you had any mentors and what did they teach you?

Before I came to London in March, I was working on things on my own in Cambridge. My “mentors” were actually these super-hero PUAs that can get ANY woman they want, ANY time. They actually don’t seem to exist, but they existed in my mind and this was the goal I was working towards. The fact that I set my sights so high allowed me to get good very quickly. If I’d hung with local lair guys from the beginning, my targets would have been a lot lower and I might never have been as good as I am now.

My inspirations all came from the products, I didn’t meet a real PUA until I trained with Brent in April ’06. I thought David D was a great role-model of an attractive man with attractive qualities. Tyler, Swinngcat, and PU101 produced products which were a big help.

I mainly got lines and mental attitude from these products rather than a complete system for pickup. When I tried them out, I got mixed results because I’d be generally lame but throw out the occasional very funny or interesting line.

Milton Erickson was my strongest non-PU role-model. His books served as a grounding to me since he was dealing with REAL problems, and was focused on what is truly important in life. Not only that but he was a genius and could do things that no other human being has been able to do since.

Could you describe what you’re life was like before you were aware of this, and what options you have with women now?

If we go back only as far as 12 months ago, I’d slept with 2 women. I had no idea if I’d ever find a girlfriend, have sex again or even kiss a girl. The whole process of getting a number or more was bewildering and seemed like a huge challenge. It was the uncertainty that was the main problem. The fact that I knew that I couldn’t just go to a club and grab a girl, and even if I went 10 times I might not get anywhere.

Now, I have multiple girls and options any time I like. I know that I can f-close 7 times a week if I like, or that I can meet a girl of quality (looks and character) around once every 3 weeks. I am dating an Italian girl who is doing a PhD curing cancer, looks like Monica Belluci and is pretty much perfect. I’m also dating a Brazilian girl who is super fun and sexy. Both know about what I do and each other, one even helps out on bootcamps as a HB helper! I have other options from strippers to models. I treat the girls well, don’t use tricks and never had a girl hate me!

What was your hardest sticking point?

The thing that took the longest to click and was the biggest sticking point was sexual escalation. I used to sit in sets for ages without going for a kiss or escalating at all. I barely kino’d. Sometimes I’d be in a set for over an hour without any moves being made.

One night in a set where the girl wasn’t giving me kino or IOIs, I just decided to go for it and pushed for the k-close and got it. After that I became more bold and the kino started to click and become natural.

Do you have a favorite step in your model?

I love to do a direct approach and very fast close so this is my favorite special move:

I spot my target from 5 meters or so, I’m not smiling, I’m looking cool, I point at her and tilt my head. She reacts in some way. I walk purposefully toward her. I give her a direct opener or compliment – “you’re a cutie pie” was a favorite for a while, say “come here” and pull her in, start dancing with her or just touch her hair. Maybe ask her name. Maybe not. K-close. When I imagine super hero PUA, there is no way he is indirect! That’s why this is my favorite move.

Have you had the experience yet, where you feel that you’ve reached a certain degree of mastery?

I think the moment I got it was my first f-close. I ran good game, opened, escalated quickly, moved her around the venue, and then lead her to my house. It was pretty smooth. I even threw in some Speed Seduction stuff. I realized then that I had choice with women for the first time in my life. It doesn’t slowly build up over time. I think there are key moments which open the floodgates. This was mine for f-closes.

When I got my first 9 was a huge moment too. It was always in the back of my mind that I didn’t have one yet. Remember, I live in London, I’ve SEEN less than ten 9s in the past 12 months! That was when I felt like a real top level guy.

What advice would you give to newbies starting out?

Plenty, but here are 3 things that spring to mind:

1. Get over your inhibitions and approach as many sets as you can. A guy that does 100 in a day will close more and learn more than someone that does 3. If you are uncomfortable having attention focused on you, go and do acting. If you are uncomfortable being close to a woman, go to salsa classes. Do some crazy missions, find out your motivation and put yourself in the position where you have to act. Give your friend $100 and get him to give you $10 back for each set you open.

2. When you are starting, it is easy to study loads of theory. You need to balance learning, applying and refining. I learnt more in 2 weeks of gaming than 6 months of theory. It makes sense, try spending 6 months learning how to drive by reading a book and see if you are better than the dude who spent 8 hours in a car.

3. If you are not an attractive man in general, fix that. Work on fashion, body language, voice, extrovert qualities, social skills, building an interesting life, etc. If you focus solely on pickup, it can actually make you worse!

In your experience, what is the biggest issue for guys getting attraction with a woman?

Standing out in a positive way from other guys. You need to project fun, sexuality, and confidence.

Look like you are having fun and don’t care too much about what happens. Be comfortable in the interaction, be externally focused and out of your head. If you don’t show outcome dependency, excellent. It’s being almost casual about it. When you feel pressure, she will too. When you are uncomfortable, she will not be able to relax. When women say they want confidence, this is what they are talking about.

What’s your belief on inner game, and how did you improve yours?

I can talk all day about this area. Inner game is basically your state, your mood, your beliefs about yourself and women. You build inner game most effectively through results and progress. To build inner game before you start, you can try what I did. I wrote down a list of all the things about myself that I was unsatisfied with. For the ones I could do something about I made a plan of action and executed on it, and for the ones I couldn’t I learnt to accept them. Humans need certainty, sense of direction, this gives that. We need a sense of progress and you can get that by recording the progress you make in a journal. It also helps to stop comparing ourselves to others. Judge by your own life and the progress you are making. There will always be someone who is better in some regard, focusing on them is a recipe for discontent.

These are some things I used. I also studied self-hypnosis, NLP, read all the old Bandler books, everything on, by, or about Milton Erickson, I used subliminal music whilst I slept, etc. I used loads of tools and they all impacted in some way. Now I’m very solid, difficult to stress out, and generally in control of my emotions.

Do you have a personal favorite field report that you could relate?

Yeah! From 3 weeks ago!

I went to a posh club in London (24), was a good night, 3 k-closes with HBs. I got a 15 second k-close from using my “special move” as detailed above. I was in a great state – on fire – everything was working for me I COULDN’T get blown out if I wanted to, this happens sometimes. I didn’t extract any girls, nothing I was too bothered about. I was walking home, it was raining so I put my leather jacket under my top and it looked like I was pregnant.

I was walking with a friend. We were chatting when he gasped and pointed out a girl hiding from the rain under a shelter. She was a 9 in my book and the hottest girl I’d seen in 2006 with maybe 1 other girl on the same level as her. 6” tall with heels, blonde, thin, beautiful face, perfect skin, great smile, greeny blue eyes. Stunning.

I told him to go in, he went in and choked, shook his head and came back. He couldn’t do it.

I went and stood 2 meters away, mirrored her facial expression, she looked at my belly as if to say “huh?” and I rubbed it and mouthed “my baby”. She smiled. I looked at the floor next to her as if to say “there isn’t space next to you” and she took step back to let me in. I went and stood next to her right in her face. I asked what her name is. I was in seduction mode already. I went in to kiss her after 15 seconds but she turned her face so I kissed her on her cheek and neck. I do this if they turn their face. I asked where she was going and she told me so I said “I’ll walk you” and took her hand and lead her down the road.

I said “let’s go for another drink” she agreed and I lead her to my house. She objected when she realized we weren’t going to a bar and said “Russian girls are not so easy!” I said “I know, I love Russian girls, and you are special” in a sincere way (I did mean it too). She then started walking again and I got her to my room. I had no outcome dependency at this point, I had a take-it-or-leave-it attitude which she must have picked up on.

I got her in my room, she sat down, I put music on, she didn’t want wine. I said come here, she said “why” and didn’t stand up so I pulled her up, started kissing her, tripped her up onto the bed. Escalated with no LMR at all and had the best f-close ever. She was stunning, I wouldn’t change her thing. Plus it was all natural. No fake tan, died hair, tons of make-up, fake boobs. She was a diamond. Anyway, it took 15 minutes to get to my house, 5 minutes to get her into bed, and she was a NINE so it was amazing for me.

The PU skill? Nothing verbal, nothing I can describe too well. It was the state I was in + the confidence in the approach + the sexual vibe + the indifference and coolness about taking her home. I really didn’t feel desperate or outcome dependent.

She went to Russia for the holidays so need to call her again now because she’ll be back. But one thing is for sure, in London, it will be MONTHS before I even see anything as good.

What are your current challenges?

Finding quality girls! I don’t practice enough due to lack of quality HBs. My personal pickup goals are to be more dominant, escalate quicker, push the boundaries in this way. I’ve cracked upscale venues, celeb parties etc. Hmmm, not too much left. Just general improvement now I guess and a consistent level of quality.

What are you goals now within the community, and in life?

I’m torn between wanting to be the world’s best PUA and running a successful business. I think I need to come to America for both so I’ll be there soon. I am happy with my love life with a few good quality girls. I like to be in a loving relationship. ONSs don’t do too much for me. Neither does writing field reports or getting status from guys. I’m competitive but not a show-off, so I’ve posted on forums less than 5 times in my life!

You’ve started a company for English students called PUA Training, what can they expect when they take a bootcamp, and what makes you different from other English companies out there?

In London, we have the major US companies who have set up local operations, and no real home-grown talent. I don’t think the quality of training is up to US standards from the established companies since the local guys just aren’t the name-brand PUAs.

I put together a team who even the other organizations will admit consists of England’s best PUAs. We all have different styles and are not too tied to a specific approach. We teach direct, indirect, day, night, phone, day-2, dance-floor, natural game, and routines. It sounds like a lot but it is pretty simple. The system we teach can be learned and memorized and applied within 15 minutes. It is pickup boiled down into its essential elements from open to close. We then put the other stuff on top of this model so it is flexible enough to adapt to any student or any teacher. Because of this, some students leave and are routine guys, some leave and have natural game, and most have a mix but are working towards being all-natural. We had 3 f-closes in a row on bootcamp nights in December, and many more from dates following n-closes on the nights. At least 75% of students get closes on average which is better than any other published number I’ve seen.

Our bootcamps have 2:1 ratio in the club, have HBs that the guys can practice on before going into the field, feature wing-girls, sex skills training, fashion advice, and special guests in lots of areas. I wanted to get away from the “guy with a whiteboard” type of event and we hold our events in private rooms in bars and clubs and the guys are never sat listening without doing an exercise for more than 20 minutes. We have a big budget and spend the money on quality additions. We do day game AND night game.

Tell me about your soon to be released products, and what someone can expect to learn from them?

I’m writing an ebook which is 90% done. I went through all the material prior to going into the field. I’ve read every ebook and watched every DVD and listened to every piece of audio. Some is good, some is bad. A common problem is that none of these products gives you everything you need – the entire process from open to close with all the content you need along the way. Mystery’s book is the best in this regard at the moment, but it is still somewhat limited in its approach. The 7 hours, the negs, the mixed sets in clubs, no direct game, no dance-floor game, no day-game, no inner game, a very rigid system of steps. Basically I wanted to give a complete system for picking up women in any environment. I think I’ve achieved that. People love it so far and I look forward to seeing the response. I’ve basically created the book that I needed when I was an AFC.

Other products will have a similar goal, and so will stand out in the same way.

Your game is “natural”, why did you adopt this technique, instead of using a more structured approach to pickup?

Hmmm, well it is natural but still structured. I know what “phase” I’m in and what I can do and what I need to do next. But I freestyle it within that. Because I generally look for quality girls that I can be in relationships with, I find canned material objectionable. I want the girl to be attracted to me, what I have to say, and what I truly think of her. I don’t want to catch a girl by acting a role. I would hate to have a girlfriend who I used a routine stack on. I think that canned material is a crutch until you develop the skills to freestyle and “be yourself”!

I have an unbreakable routine stack, it would close pretty much anything, but I don’t use it. The second reason I don’t use this stuff is that it doesn’t test me, I like to exercise my mental muscles, sharpen them and become better socially through this. You learn more from freestylying 1000 sets than doing the same routine stack 1000 times.

I don’t understand why guys want to be PUAs. A natural with PUA knowledge can out-game 99.9% of PUAs. AFC’s should strive to be naturals.

You traveled around Europe with some great dating coaches last year, what can you tell us about meeting women in other countries?

Well… You have disadvantages and benefits:
You are a rare commodity and more attractive.
They know you aren’t staying long.
The girls are generally not as easy.
Language can be a barrier.
Some countries just hate foreigners.

Aside from this, it is pretty much the same everywhere. The hottest girls in the world are in Latvia. And the most harsh environment ever is the Latvian club scene! They will blow guys out on the open in the most harsh way possible over and over. I still scored every night but I really did pick my shots carefully and the HBs were scared to be seen with me in front of anyone because of the negative social proof of being with a foreigner. Somewhere like Sweden, it’s different, pretty easy, but weird things like expecting you to light their cigarettes (same in a lot of these countries actually, Russia too), and if you refuse it isn’t cool at all. They are not shit-testing, it’s a part of the culture.

Being around so many HBs on the European tour, my game went through the roof! That’s why I need plenty of holidays to places with hot girls – to keep my game sharp. Anyone who wants to take our English girls, please let me know!

You’ve offered to write a column on The Attraction Chronicles. What do you think you’ll focus on, and what can my readers expect?

Lots of things spring to mind. Right now, I think “A structured way to become a natural” would be pretty good theme. Natural game learned unnaturally! Haha. The advice is universal in my opinion.

Richard La Ruina can be reached through his website at:

PUATraining

Thanks Richard, it looks like we’ll be hearing from you again soon!

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Christian (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Editor — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:14:00 +0000

I completed this interview with Christian, the General Manager of Charisma Arts, just before I left New York City. I had a chance to have lunch with him at nice little cafe at Union Square, and we had a great time talking about the different aspects of pickup and dating.I started and sold a software company and was in and out of University of Michigan as a history major before meeting Wayne and starting Charisma Arts. This is my real job, but I do consulting for other startups on the side.

How did you get introduced to this community, and was there an experience that made you want to improve this area, and when was that?

I am a relationship guy but was going through what was then a six-month period of single-hood. Around that six-month point, I spent $400 on three dates with a girl. I liked her a lot more than she liked me and when she told me that it just wasn’t happening for her, I felt very frustrated. I think this is a common thing that brings guys into the community.

I was feeling very isolated – waking up alone, eating dinner alone, etc. One of the best things about this life, for me, is when you can share experiences with other people. It made me so sad to have dates, but still find myself dining at restaurants alone more often than not. Most of my college friends had left town and I didn’t have a social network anymore.

An employee at my company was clued in to what was going on, and introduced me to some DavidD and Ross Jeffries stuff. I thought some of it was offensive but there was also a lot of valuable information in there. This particular employee was big into Juggler and was the guy who actually compiled the archives that we now sell on our website. This was maybe a year after I was introduced to the community.

Was there a main turning point after you discovered the communities techniques in which you finally felt you had reached a certain degree of mastery?

I was always ok with women, but I was coming off as arrogant to cover up some insecurities. There was no technique I learned that helped me past this. In fact, reading the DavidD stuff hurt me more than it helped. Not to knock him – he’s like a handbrake when your car is about to hit a telephone pole – but it wasn’t until I began to hang out with Wayne (Juggler) that I began to identify my real issues and attack those.

My big breakthrough came when I realized that I could be myself – appreciative, complementary, friendly – but do it from a position of strength, not supplication. The false strength that techniques and a lot of the community wisdom teaches left me single for about a year and a half after discovering it. It was a big step backwards and my friends were like “who have you become?” Girls were offended more often than they were charmed.

After a period of time, I began to just go out with the mentality that I’d try to enjoy and appreciate the people I was talking to. I don’t remember when exactly this happened but it has made me such a happier person.

Have you had any mentors, and what specifics have they taught you?

Wayne is awesome – he is insightful and has been a great friend to me. Johnny taught me how to have fun in my interactions without being outcome-dependent. In fact, all of our instructors continue to inspire me. Dan was a former client of ours, at a bootcamp I taught. Now he is an instructor and I’m learning so much from him. It is weird how this happens but it is true that a social/reference group of uplifting people is greater than the sum of its parts. My friend Steve was also a big help for me – but he’s not a “community” guy.

On that note, I think it is important that your reference group reflect your values, and not your interests. A lot of guys get involved in lairs or find wingmen who are interested in just going out and meeting girls. I hung out with people like this from time to time. But I’ve found that I’m happiest and certainly at my best when I’m with people who see and value the world as I do. It doesn’t matter if we don’t like the same music or share the same tastes in clothing. My benchmark is: does this person make me be a better person?

What was your hardest sticking point to overcome, and how did you?

The arrogant insecurity. I’d often talk about my car, or my job or whatever. Even though I knew it was hurting me, it was like I clung to those things. That blocked everything else – approaching, SOI’ing, everything… because I was so afraid of being judged, I was being very judgmental, and consequently, the only people I’d want to talk to would be people with whom I’d have a desired outcome in mind. It was insincere and socially ineffective.

Getting past this required a big shift in how I thought about people in the world. It happened by hanging out with guys like Wayne and Johnny. I read a lot and books like “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence,” and “The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying” were big helps for me too. Finally, I pushed myself to do everything in a way that was opposite of certain instincts – kind of like George in that one Seinfeld episode – and I’d notice things clicking for me. This has been a spiritual journey as much as anything else.

In all the sets you’ve done, which approach has made you the proudest?

As for “trophies” – there was a playmate with whom I had a great interaction. She text’d me from Hef’s 80th to the effect of “I just danced with Donald Trump but I can’t stop thinking of you.” But you know, I wasn’t trying to “seduce” her when we spoke. I was just interested in talking with her, and lo and behold, we got along very well.

More imporantly, my current girlfriend is unbelievable – definitely one of the best human beings I’ve ever met. We met when we were both in relationships and when those ended, things just evolved as they do. By virtue of who she is and what is important to her, she challenges me to be a better person every day. I’m not so much “proud” of this. I’m just happy.

You practice what’s known as “natural game”, for those not familiar, what is the core of natural game, and how can someone bring that out?

“Natural Game” is basically a polemical term that stands in contrast to indirect game. I don’t know that there is a definition of “natural game” that exists without the definitions the community has of indirect game or some of the other methods being taught.

What we teach is how to have conversations you want to have without reliance on other people’s material. Anytime you introduce material, dishonesty, or things you don’t really care about into a conversation, you are erecting barriers between who you really are and who she really is. They’re going to come down at some point. Why deal with them at all?

So if you want to label what we teach as natural game… I suppose it is being able to be yourself from a position of strength. Yes, there is a model to each interaction, but when you get good, the model vanishes and each interaction is just sublime enjoyment.

Do you have any additional products coming out?

Yes. There will be a DVD sooner or later, some audio stuff, and a style guide. To me, style is a huge, huge thing. There is no such thing as the perfect opener, but the closest you can come is being well-dressed. I am opened all the time for my clothing, but you wouldn’t call it peacocking in the feather-boa/platform boots/black fingernails sense.

Your current girlfriend seems like a great girl. I’ve had a chance to exchange a few emails with her. I’m impressed. Can you relate how you met, and some specific things you contribute to starting a relationship with her?

I’m so glad I have your approval Donovan

This is a tough question to answer. Here’s one thought. My last girlfriend and I got along on a level of shared interests. We enjoyed talking about and sometimes doing the same things and going to the same places. It was fun for companionship and for awhile, we had a great relationship. But we both realized, and her before me, that we weren’t a good long-term fit. We didn’t want the same things from life, want to raise our kids the same way, etc. As an aside, she’s actually dating another community guy now who tried to schlep his way into one of our workshops under false pretense of being a reporter. I hope that works out.

Lauren and I quickly realized that even though our interests aren’t identical, the core things that make us who we are line up very well. I’ve never enjoyed just looking into someone’s eyes as much as this girl – it makes me feel connected to the world and more. That’s not something you can fake. When two people come together like that, it just has a way of happening.

In terms of things that led to us dating… she tells me that I have a way of making people feel special. I could tell from the moment I met her that she was someone special, and I suspect that there was a lot of genuine interest on my part. It was easy to have honest conversations with her – we talked about things like sex, religion, and even taking a poop very easily before we started dating.

It comes down to this though – I find a lot of people interesting and I think that comes across with everyone I talk to. I happen to find Lauren more interesting and inspiring on almost every level than most people. I like to hear what she has to think but more importantly, I like to be around her because of who she is. I wish every guy could be so fortunate.

Some argue that most “natural” conversations are routine-based anyway, because of social conditioning, humans being habitual anyway etc, we speak with stories that have had good responses, and highlight things about ourselves that have previously been appreciated in set. What is the difference between routine based methods like that, and your natural methods?

There are two spoken parts to every interaction – what you say and what she says. Below that is the subtext – why you’re saying what you’re saying and how you’re feeling about it. Of course we tell the same stories from time to time. But if I had to articulate a difference between “natural” and “canned” storytelling, I’d say that when I tell someone something – anything – it is meant to connect me with them and to get them to open up more to me. To share more of the “what she says” part. So I won’t tell a story just to “demonstrate value” or entertain if it has no place in the conversation flow or what the other person is saying.

I’m not the best or smoothest storyteller. I use the words “like” and “uhhh” far too much. But I’m good at highlighting why I feel a certain way about something and I’m decent at setting up a segway for someone else to take over – ending with an open-ended question for example. This is stuff that we work on in the bootcamps.

If a new client is having a difficult time developing a masculine “identity”. What do you suggest they do?

I think we are these organic entities with history, potential, and values that inform us in the present moment. A person’s identity is going to be a function of these three things.

Your history is behind you and the best you can do is to frame it in the context of how you have learned from it. I had a pretty bad childhood socially, but a great family and a lot of things to learn from, and I’m thankful that I went through what I did.

Your potential is the possibility to fulfill your purpose. A lot of people have direction but no purpose. The former is where you’re heading, the latter is why you’re heading there. When those two things line up, and only then, are you able to say that you are excited about your potential. If you’re not on that path, you need to do some thinking.

Finally, a strong set of values is core to a strong identity. One of the things that stuck out to me from Wayne’s archives is that most people’s values are castles built on sand – unexamined and untested. To try to elicit a woman’s values and match those is weak. I think it is important to develop informed opinions on everything from human sexuality to job happiness to religion and spirituality. For example, I won’t sleep with a person anymore unless I am in love with them. Without getting into why, I will say that that is a big part of my “relationship identity” and it is something that is with me whether I’m with someone or not.

Do you have any ideas for overcoming shyness or low self-esteem?

Low self esteem should be dealt with by trying to become more assertive about your identity – see above.

Shyness is tough too. The best thing I can say is that if you are not outcome-dependent in your interactions with people you can approach them much more easily. Some people are just shy and they shouldn’t be ashamed of that. Chad, who is one of our instructors, is pretty shy, but he makes it work for him. Its something we deal with regularly in bootcamps, but I can’t do justice to the issue in a few lines here.

What do you think is the most important skill of attraction? What do you recommend to master it?

A big smile and a reason for having it. The most attractive guys I know are happy people and they bring that with them to every person they meet. Lauren’s little brother is going to be a lady-killer. He is the happiest guy I know and I can’t think about him without smiling. Johnny and Kory are the same way. Who doesn’t want to be around a person like that?

It then becomes a matter of indiciating intimate interest (what we call the SOI) and letting things progress from there. It is funny; once guys get past approach anxiety, they often have huge SOI anxiety. This is second most important after being a fun, happy person.

Have you found any specific conversational topics to be more interesting to women, and how do you present those topics?

Women love talking about relationships and interpersonal dynamics. They like talking about sex, but only in the abstract at first. They like talking about the things that make them happy and sad. Most importantly, they like talking about how they feel about things.

CA teaches how to “headline” things. We had a client who wrote software for the FAA and wasn’t enthused about it. Now when a woman asks what he does, he tells her that he makes it so that her plane doesn’t crash into the radio tower when it is taking off. It generates a laugh and prompts more questions. We helped him identify what about his job was rewarding, and that’s something he can now share with people in a much more interesting way.

I don’t recommend talking about computer games with women or with most people in general. I just bought an Xbox 360 and no one in my life wants to hear about it (they’ll change their mind when they see the next Splinter Cell, though).

How can you differentiate yourself from other attractive guys when you’re trying to get that “popular” woman of the group?

Dress well and uniquely. More importantly, disqualify yourself to the group. As an “amog technique”, disqualification has no peer. Some guy asks what kind of car you drive – you could say “I have an M3″ or you could say “a car that uses way too much gas. have you seen how expensive that shit is these days? I’ll tell you what I would like – a car that is powered by hydrogen.” When you answer the former, you’re qualifying yourself to him. When you say the latter, you’re not only implying that his question is irrelevent to you, but you’re reframing it as a question that everyone can relate to. Popular women are used to guys qualifying themselves to them. Do otherwise and you will win every time.

What’s your personal technique for cold approaching at a party/public when the girl is alone, etc?

I hate to be vague but there is no personal technique, per se. It depends on the situation. I’ll sometimes try to find what Wayne calls a floppsy (more on that in his eBook). But there is no one opener.

Half the time it’s “Hi, I’m Christian. What’s your name?” Dan wrote an awesome, awesome blog on our site about the first few minutes and how to get into the conversation.

What do most guys do wrong with flirting?

They push but they don’t pull. Bad: “I don’t know about you – that southern accent is a little much for me.” Good: “I don’t know about you. I don’t normally like southern accents. But yours suits you well – in fact, its kind of sexy.” Our instructor Matt did this second one almost verbatim at a New York bootcamp a few weekends ago. He pushed her away, but pulled her back in.

Guys have trouble coming up with interesting conversation that is attractive, engaging and unique from a woman’s perspective. What advice can you offer?

The biggest thing is to relate on an emotional level. Talking about “things” is boring. Check out my new product, Master The Vibe which I’ve released with my friend from theApproach.

What are some ways to generate a fun, interesting, successful and encouraging social circle around you?

My friend Andre has more female friends than anyone I know. It is because he is really, really fun. He gets everyone to stay out later than they should, drink more than is safe or reasonable, and dance on tables when they are starting to get bored. Being the funnest guy of the group has its benefits. But that is not 95% of the world. If you have the fundamentals down (a strong identity and being a good conversationalist), you need nothing more than to start meeting people and hanging out with the ones you like. In most major cities, there are great social events. Join an art nonprofit in New York or a the WAKA kickball league in DC or find a way to get invited to Chad’s parties in LA. If you’re from a smaller town, it should be easy to get to know people – they’ll go to the same places on the same nights.

With all this stuff, its like tennis, business or cooking – learn the trade before you learn the tricks of the trade. There is no substitute for being a fundamentally strong person.

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Doctor Paul (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:07:00 +0000

This is a cool interview I did with the famous Doctor Paul of the David Deangelo fame, and he clearly stands at the forefront of the science of attraction. You may have seen him in any of David’s DVD’s. Get something to eat, and sit down and digest this long interview that will really open your eyes!

(Check out his video)

I’m CEO of DoctorPaul.Net, where we provide the best material on communicating to women I have ever seen or heard of. Yes, grandiose sounding, except for the fact that it’s the only cutting edge material truly based in multiple sciences you’ll find, rather than based on strong-armed muscle-advertising or cult of personality. If you do an experiment and I do one and a million guys do one and get the same result, then we are forced to come to the same conclusion, and we say, “well that’s the real deal.” “Methods” based on the advertising clout, pr, or personality of the speaker do not work for every guy, every time, in every situation. Science does, when devised by a real scientist with formal education, not just the idiot’s guide series, or a Robert Greene book.

I’m in my 30′s, live in the midwest, and don’t believe in “being in the game” – you’re either a man who knows what time it is, or you have growing to do. I’m a physician and psychiatrist first, and an observer on all the acronyms, trademarks, seminars and the like in “the community” second. I don’t take kindly to any activity that goes to an extreme, or fanaticism, cultishness (e.G. See tony robbins). If you want to talk in normal-people language, i’m up for it. I have been in business as a hobby for three years, but have been a struggling (and now successful) mainstream author and speaker for at least 12 years i kind of fell into this specific area of teaching people and writing by accident. I a psychoanalytic theorist by training and trade, which simply means I take complex human systems, and use real science, not kitchen table wisdom or locker room philosophizing, to come up with simple and practical, repeatable solutions to that complexity. I take human behavior and make it simple for people to use in their lives as if they actually had had my exact academic training and 14 years clinical experience as a psychiatrist. I want to duplicate myself into a million clones, or at least duplicate what know so that people can make better lives through understanding the mind – not in some weird lofty lab-academic way, but in normal language, and practical, and definitely accurate (which only science can provide, not just cults of personality).

So I accidentally met David Deangelo, and we talked, and found we thought a lot alike, and I saw a way to help him with my material, and also saw he used ideas in a more scientific way than anyone else in “the community”, even though not a trained scientist academic himself. So he’d ask me a question and i’d show how science of the mind answers it. I’d ask him about business and he’d tell me just as eloquently how business works. So it was a fast friendship. Then I did some products with him for him, and before I knew it, guys wanted to talk to me and wanted me to make products for them. I feel david d may always be the industry leader in that specific field though, and good for him. I have other plans, to remain in that field but in many more, kind of like “intel inside,” well it’s like mindos inside.

Mindos is my original master theoretical work. It is original, and a true synthesis of all “schools of psychology” set in the world’s only visual model of the workings of the mind. In short, it is a ‘unification theory’ of the mind, much like they seek in the area of physics. It is true “quantum psychology” and offers a new way to envision artificial intelligence too. It can be applied to dating, but also to any other area of a man’s (or woman’s) life – politics, friends, family, career, success, anything that has human systems or individual or group psychology to it. It took me 15 years to develop and 14000 patient encounters to deduce the material, 4 yrs undergrad, 4 yrs med school, 4 yrs residency, and 2 years psychoanalytic training. I firmly believe something for men could not possibly have been developed without that academic, formal education training and clinical experience as a physician and former student of all the sciences – biology, physics, chemistry, but also literature and myth, film, anthropology, sociology, economics, all of which I have thoroughly studied. Some “fields” like “nlp” mislead people into thinking you can bypass formal education and just model people. Well that doesn’t lead to innovation, just a bunch of clone theories and products. It takes time to come out with a real advance in a real technology. Anyway…

1. Describe the moment, when you suddenly realized, “I need to work out this part of my life.”

I was broken up with at 22 by a fiancee, and while studying and training to be a doctor, took up the cause of educating myself about the mind of women, and the notion of how human instinct and attraction work…I guess that personal goal led me out of being a surgery trainee and into psychiatry.

2. Have you had any mentors within life that have helped you improve your game, and what did they teach you?

Um, no. Mainly trial by fire, but I must say that I know so many people in so many fields that I really have learned bits and parts of attraction traits and skills from, from a guy who is about to hit it big in music with the coolest new band on mtv (known him for ten years, though he was 18 when we met – he used to play my parties),and he has no idea what “the community” is to this day. A guy who works for the european economic community and now lives in paris with his hot english wife, a guy who was a student and wingman of mine who worked for a colorado billionaire and now is in some sort of secret societies that really run the world, and a guy who is british, but arab descent, born in egypt, yet has worked for microsoft, and has the most silky smooth ways with women you’ve ever heard of, and yet none of these men know what the community is. I encourage men to have a much bigger life than any one group. However, the community is one of the only accepting, encouraging, respectful of each other groups of men that is young and multinational today – it’s a valuable thing to have in society as long as strong ethics are still taught in it and it is not at all about just “getting laid”. That’s so adolescent. I’ve met many top notch guys who have a real life through community seminars.

3. You’re background is in psychology, and you’ve been very successful. Did psychology influence you personally with attraction, or were mentor’s a greater influence?

I’m not a psychologist. I’m an md psychiatrist/physician. Yes, I can literally “read” any woman or man who walks in the room within five minutes and know what their problems are in general, what their likely future relationship behavior is, and what they are attracted to. I do mean that. If you read malcolm gladwell’s “blink” book, you know how that is possible. All those years of study and thousands of patients. You kind of get a “seventh sense”(tm) as I call it, and that sense is basically what I teach men in my products.

4. Can you describe the first time you used a counter-intuitive routine that yielded it’s promised results, and how you felt?

I don’t use routines. That’s ridiculous. I’m about being myself and knowing what time it is with people and their behavior. Be real. I think there are a lot of promised results not based in science. And guess what, they don’t work every time, for every guy in every situation. Science does. That’s why it has lasted since the first caveman threw a rock in the air and shouted “cool” when it reliably fell to the ground every single time he threw it. Well, that’s caveman science for you. I do like mystery’s material in the sense that it does have an experimental testing tone to it, which is kinda sorta science-like, but still based in personal experience rather than formal research and education. Like him as a person too. He’s an inquisitive mind, and a good heart, wanting to help guys. Some other folk, well whatever…

5. What is your favorite place to meet women, and how do you usually approach them?

Anywhere. Any time. I open my mouth without any routine or robotic geeky crap and say one word “hi”, then I just vibe, and truly care about knowing what they know. This may not be in the form of asking questions to them, which can seem needy, but rather, I have always had something about me that makes people want to talk to me and tell me stories of their life. They like it, and it makes them like you back.

6. What options you have with women now?

Um, come on. I have any option I put my mind and heart to. That’s just a matter of how much work and how much desire for a certain kind of relationship experience a guy wants to put forth. I have enjoyed a relationship with a mature, hugely attractive future attorney for about a year. It is a good thing for my life right now.

7. What was your hardest/biggest sticking point?

Hmm. Getting out of my head and into my body. I mostly discovered this by taking comedy improv acting class and finding it revealed a kind of hesitation about using my body freely and in any way I wanted to. So I worked on it, and now I dance, or use body language in any way I want. I think it also helps a guy to exercise regularly and feel great about your physical presence, though I know a lot of fat guys too who don’t care and just dive into kino and body language freely and without hesitation.

8. Do you have a favorite routine, can you describe it, and what it accomplishes?

No. I don’t believe in routines, and any sophisticated mature woman, whether she is 19 or 49 can pick up on how fake that is. You don’t know it, but she certainly does, n if you blah blah blah calibrate blah blah. Be yourself be yourself be yourself. I mean the whole basis of my profession of 15 years is about being yourself and nonneurotic, comfortable with it and growing better character in you. I have traveled to so many countries known so many people and ne so many interesting things all I need to do is see a woman and guess that she too has been to the himalayas, or japan, or russia, and I start talking and asking her about compared experiences. I also can tend to pinpoint accents well, and know where people grew up. I dated a french “royal” for a few years, and she was a member of the aristocracy obviously. They were into the finer cultural things and I learned much about different european accents through her, then later from other travels, about asian, latino and other accents. Women are pretty impressed by that kind of seemingly voodoo knowledge, but it isn’t about impressing. It’s about the pleasure of learning and sharing that learning for me (and the women i have known)

9. Have you had the experience yet, where you feel that you’ve reached a certain degree of mastery? Can you explain the time, and how you got the realization?

I don’t believe in rank and all these terms, except to say that I believe there is such a thing as an “omega male”, which is way way more than an “alpha.” In animals it is the lowest on the totem pole, but the term in humans means, alpha male sexual instinct skills, but very rich and mature character on top of even that. Think george clooney, james cavaziel, sting, anderson cooper, colin powell for men of various ages. Since I devised what amounts to the most thorough and accurate notion of a quantum psychology yet devised, you might guess that I believe people exist on spectrums, not boxes with labels like pua or afc. We start out less mature both in character and sexual instinct knowledge, and no matter how good we seem, there is always more evolving to do as a man…Til the day you die my friend. With all mastery, there is always higher mastery..But I do think that there are certain benchmarks a man has to reach to be considered more than just an adolescent male (or alpha male in terms of attraction skills alone, lacking high character), and if you add up those basic features that a true, full mature male must reach some day to be totally fulfilled in his life, that’s what i mean by an omega male. And you heard these terms here first. I coined them.

10. What advice would you give to newbies starting out, in order to greatly accelerate their learning curve?

Be willing to “suspend judgment” on what is possible for you, E.g. Let go the past, and experiment, be curious, and take on mentors. That’s what I provide in live seminars at doctorpaul.net.

11. You worked with David Deangelo on his deep inner game program. What’s your belief on inner game, and what are some specific practical techniques guys could start doing now to greatly improve this area?

Answer: Yeah he’s a great guy, and genius businessman, but the system presented was my original, patent-pending material alone. It was a basic version of my very first theoretical work, but in the 2-3 years since that, I have developed new, more sophisticated, simple and effective material. The most detailed version available of my core theory is too complicated to explain in just this interview, but it is Mindos: the operating system of the human mind, an ebook on doctorpaul.net.

I am not “an inner game guy.” I have doped out the entire human psychology of dating, mating and what used to be called courtship. That means “inner game” “outer game”"coupling” etc. All these terms are artificial. Would you agree that you do have both a mind and body? Sure. But can you extract one from the other? No way. They are intertwined, and to say one is more important than the other is ridiculous and pointless. We are men, and men need to learn every aspect of all psychology (of the mind, the body, our words, our actions, our identity, our careers, our friends, family, and lives in general) in order to mature and master their communication and effectiveness with women. My systems cover all of it, including some secret stuff I have revealed to no one until my upcoming books appear with the major publishers this coming year. For now, I fully discuss what I am allowed to by my publisher, at my live seminars for men at Doctorpaul.net.

12. Do you have a personal favorite field report that you could relay?

Sure, a guy from my most recent seminar: call him Jeremy: (and he refers prominently to material from my ebook at doctorpaul.Net, which is about precisely identifying the personality style of women and therefore what they are attracted to, what they are likely to do in the future regarding you, and whether they are a fit for you (if they “qualify”), in terms like queen, magician, etc, is what he is referring to…Also keep in mind before the seminar, he had no idea how to approach and get dates with women… “Datingos” refers to my latest theoretical work for men at live seminars…

Hi Dr paul,

Made it back from the spain trip which followed the chicago seminar, where yes… Even in spanish you can use datingos concepts.

Example…

I was working at the hospital, caught the eyes of a pretty cute spanish maiden, and stayed cool for a while before asking her name (she tells me).

We kind of go our ways, do our thing. The next day, we meet up again, and I ask her to do a few simple things for me so I can get my own tasks done.

She promptly helps out, and goes her way. She later comes back to ask my name (which she has trouble pronouncing, though has fun trying her best). Correct me if i’m wrong, but the post-wussie me sees this as a significant girl boy question. So I keno up on her after that and have my arm around her waist in a few seconds, right in front of the others working around us. Ah, europeans i’ll see her again I suppose if/when I go back. The real plan however is to get together with the 26 year old daughter of an older hot nurse that I worked with and got to know me. I saw the daughter on the screen of her phone, and mom tells me it’s her daughter as I peek for a better look. Omg, she was a latin hottle 10+! I calmly asked if her daughter was married. I get this shocked look from mom as she tells me that she’s still single, and a tv producer who’s in cuba right now, but otherwise she’d have introduced us. So I proceed to tell her i’d like to meet her next time, and go dancing. She agreed (we’ll see if the daughter does

back in the states I returned to irretrevable data loss on my mac (dang, never happened before in 15 years of apple computers for me!) so I need all the ebooks again (mindos, masculine power, toolbox, and kwml).

Ok, don’t know if I told you about going out with an 18 year old, bachelorette number 1. With this experience I have accomplished several things…

1. Blow away the limiting belief of not being able to date younger women.

2. Sharpened my dating skills in general (conversation, date location selections, physical escalation… I don’t know for sure how I did it, but there was no last minute resistance, and I could’ve done anything i wanted. It was enough just hearing her moan and scream my name

3. Learn better how to recognize a mismatch in psychological ages. This was most important.

She knows i’m dating other girls, so i’m going to tell her the truth that I’m more attracted to the others, and don’t foresee long term potential between us.

Bachelorette number 2: A much closer in psychological age 26 year old grad. Student who majored in history, and minored in math (she teaches math right now part time). I met her when I sat down at a writing course at the univ. here. I greeted the man next to her, who i’d met at work before. He introduced her to me as his daughter. We exchanged small talk throughout the course, and at the end of the day, when we got up to leave I said, “well it’s been a pleasure meeting you. I’ve enjoyed our conversation and would like to talk to you more… Here’s my card, let’s stay in touch.” She smiled big and said, “i think i’d like that.” She emailed me 2 days later, and we’ve gone out almost every weekend since. She’s a solid 8.5. She’s just returned from a job interview associated with john’s hopkins which she really likes. I have no intention of asking her to consider our relationship as she looks at possible employment. I believe that would show too much clingy/needy boy-like thinking. I’ve encouraged her to go for whatever job makes her happiest, and that i’m excited for her.

Ok, well that’s all for now. Thanks for everything, big bro. Oh, and as for the omega male discussion. You know, when I saw that term in your newsletter, I too thought it a bit off… In contrast with alpha male ideas we have. But after I read into the newsletter a few paragraphs, I thought, “this is the perfect term! I want a woman to think of me as the last man she would ever want or need!

Someone who, when another alpha male other guy flips her attraction switches when i’m not around, will then say, “thanks, but no thanks. I’m dating the perfect guy, and I just couldn’t see myself going out with someone else.” Bingo. I’m omega. I’m essential to her life. Though, not to be confused with omega-6 essential fatty acids, also essential for her to have… Specificallly for adequate estrogen levels and, in consequence, voluptuous essential feminine curves. Lol! I swear, being a lover has it’s advantages… I’m finding i’m a natural when it comes to wordsmiting and sweet talking. I’m a lot less down on myself for not being the best warrior, king or magician, and happy to just make some improvements in those weak areas while capitalizing on my lover strengths.

Ok, ok… Really. I’ve got to go. This has been fun. Talk to you later! Frank

So that’s my recent favorite field report. I prefer not to call them that, since this was more of a cool life’s experience abroad for this guy, not a “field report.” You make me think of the “colbert report” with that term, and sometimes they need to be just as lampooned as the overserious guests on that show.

13. What is your current sticking point (if any)?

What sticking point? I love my life. Which is not to say i’m an arrogant ass. I really really like things right now, and continue to grow. “Sticking points” for me were in my early twenties.

14. What are you goals now within the community, and in life?

I want to take endless hours of work in medicine, reading, seeing patients, learning business, advertising, marketing, meeting tens of thousands of people and their stories, and turn it all into super-brain-food for men that’s “tasty” (that’s david d’s term for me), then give it to millions of men to better their lives with. I want to meet more and more interesting people for the rest of my life, travel everywhere I haven’t been, and learn to take vacations that really are that and not just working vacations. I also have a mission to shed light on goofy ideas that lead people astray, as seen in some business and political practices…So I guess i’m about justice and truth simply, and giving to people like crazy. Sometimes I think my head is full of so much I want to give away there just aren’t enough people to receive it. I dig leonardo davinci, carl sagan, einstein, freud… And I don’t know how to say this in a less corny way… science, when you get the rare opportunity to see it in it’s most elegant form, is so beautiful it makes me want to cry.

And not like a wuss. Like a normal guy who gets to see miracles right before his eyes every day, helping people, and call that “work.”

It’s not work to me.

Thanks Dr. Paul for all you’ve done in the research of dating and male improvement!

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Dave Levine (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:41:00 +0000

We have a very special interview today with the founder of SexToy.com. Dave Levine is a Hollywood Hills living, party loving entrepreneur that we can learn something from. He doesn’t come from the community, but has learn’t to attract the types of women he wants through trial and error, and innovation. The interest part is what Dave says about social circles and befriending women.

Tell me about yourself

I grew up in a suburb 20 minutes north of Boston, went to U of M, lived in Japan for one year, then NYC one year, then back to Boston, then in 2003 moved to Hollywood.

My websites:

SexToy.com
http://www.wcool.com

Can you explain what you’re dating life was like before you felt you finally became successful with women?

Living in Boston, I didn’t meet many women who seemed that exciting to me. And when I met ones I liked, I didn’t have much chance of attracting them. I felt unsure about how to act.

Did you ever have an experience a thought where you realized to yourself, “I can do better than what I have now”, was there anything that prompted it and what did you decide on doing?

You are tapping into my megalomaniac side, but I have always believed that I would become much more successful and would eventually figure out how to get the hottest girls in the world. Thus, I was never satisfied with mediocrity.

Can you explain your dating options with women?

First of all, my main objective is to first become friends with a girl I like. If I see a new girl I like, I am not immediately trying to just have sex. My goal is to get her into my posse. I just want her to be one of the many girls I hang out with. I am frequently in a situation where I am the center of attention in setting where there are more women than men. Everyone meets at my house, we go out in my limo, I get everyone into the party, then we come back at the end of the night to my house.

Partying with hot girls however is very different than dating a hot girl. Most of my pics show girls that are just party friends. Even though I may actually hook up with many of them, we are not really dating. If I actually go out to dinner or spend quality one on one time with a girl, then that is dating.

Did you learn any good dating techniques from successful guys that you hung around?

I learned most of my dating techniques from the TV show blind date! When I first saw that how, I would watch and think the girl was interested in the guy and then hear her say at the end that she had no interest. Then I realized, I am not reading my dates properly. The biggest thing I learned is that people are not honest. Most people (wrongly) believe, that it is better to lie and say nice things than to be honest about your feelings. After watching many blind date episodes, I began to find better ways of determining if a girl is really interested. For example a hot make out is a good hint she likes you!

Also, I used to think that to win a girl I had to do something magical and impressive, but after watching the people on Blind date, all I really have to do is be myself and hang out. If a girl agrees to go out with you, that means she is interested on some level. Rather than think I need to win her, I started to think, I have her as long as I don’t act like an ass and mess it up.

Finally I learned that everyone has different tastes and desires. So if a girl wants a guy who is very tall, or blonde, then she won’t be into me. I can’t get mad about that and shouldn’t try to change her mind. Sometimes I may feel a girl is stupid and really should like me, but I don’t waste my time trying to convert. I just present myself in the best light and if they are into me great, if not, I move on. There are many many more who don’t need convincing.

You’ve got a huge network of what seems to be, very attractive women, and successful men. What advice do you give to guys wanting to expand their social circle to include those types of people?

First of all decide what kind of girls you like. Not everyone is into the wild Hollywood party girl. Some may like a more conservative girl who likes being in the country side. But once you know what you like, then go to that place. That is one reason I moved to Hollywood. Then once you are around the type of girls you want, you need to become the center of gravity. Create the fun or activities that people enjoy. If you are the creator, then you will be the center of attention. Not only will this get you noticed, when they notice you, they will see you in a positive light since you are the leader.

Going off the last question, when you started out in the LA nightlife you probably had to build a relationship with the venues. What are some ways of getting “in” with the clubs?

When I first arrived I went to the hottest club at the time with a friend of mine (wednesday nights at the Standard). He said you can’t get in. I said, thanks and left. The next week we came back and he said, you can’t get in. The next week I came back alone, since my buddy gave up already and the door guy let me in! After that I didn’t miss one Wednesday for a year. And every night that I went out I got at least one phone number and called it a day or two later.

When going to clubs, remember that they are running a business. They want money and hot girls. If you want to get in, show up with girls or be ready to throw money at them. If you have hot girls with you, stand behind them.

Figure out who is the decision maker regarding getting in and be sure to talk to that person, don’t start asking the security guard if you can get in. Remember the door guy is busy so be ready to get to the point. Look the guy in the eye with confidence and say, “Just me and these 2 hot girls and $50″ Also, if you know any of the promoter names say “I am on Joe’s list and Fred’s list” Even if you aren’t on the list, if you seem to know the promoter, that helps, cuz for all this guy knows, you are the best friend of that promoter!

We’re both shorter guys. I’ve found in the past, it can be intimidating to approach women that have all these “model” 6’5 type guys leeching off them. Have you learnt any techniques of dealing with this height difference when you approach women in clubs?

That stuff does not matter at all. On average you may find more tall girls who simply will not hook up with you since you aren’t tall, but most don’t seem to care! Anyways, my initial approach is just to be friends anyways, so if I think she is hot, I will talk to her and try to hang out with her. I dated a 6’2″ girl and a 6’1″ girl and I am only 5’7″ . . . and I encouraged them to wear heals when we went out cuz I thought it was hillarious!

What can guys out there do to become “cool”?

Find the scene you like and hang out in that scene and just focus on having fun. The cool part comes when you relax and naturally begin to fit in. In fact, that is what the word “cool” comes from is you are just chilled out and not stressing about how to act. This may sound crazy, but if you are in a scene and not feeling cool, go off on your own for a bit and take deep breathes and soak it in. when I used to go the hot clubs in hollywood and didn’t know many people, many times I would sneak off to the back of the dance floor and just dance alone and take deep breaths to let myself relax into the vibe . . . .

I bet you have some wild stories. What was your craziest experience at a club?

My wildest experiences have been at my house parties in the hot tub or steam room. But in a club, having the hottest little 20 year old kissing up on me and grabbing me never gets old.

You’re involved in the adult entertainment industry. Do you have relationships with porn stars, or do you prefer women that aren’t directly involved in porn? How could guys get in with these types of women?

I am not really interested in dating a girl in porn because I think my girl having more intimacy with unknowns than they do with me would be confusing. I don’t mind strippers however and have dated many of them. If you want to hang with porn girls, then get into that scene. Move to
Hollywood, start going to parties that porn people and porn girls go to, make friends and network, and eventually (make take a few years) you will be dating a porn girl.

What are some techniques for holding a conversation with a woman you just met?

First of all, your questions must come from a place of honest interest. If you don’t give a crap what her sign is, don’t ask! Try to come up questions that will tell you what she does for fun . . . where does she go out, how often, with whom. What does she do during weekends, etc. when she tells you something she does that you also do or want to do, let her know. If she is interested, then suggest, “lets do that together”! Then get her phone number and so that you can do that fun thing together.

Keep in mind that a great fun conversation at the bar and your mutual 100% enthusiasm for a date may dissipate by the time you call her a few days later. Usually only about 1/10 phone numbers can be turned into a date. When you call, be prepared to leave a phone message that compliments her, is funny, and gets right to the point: you have this great event going on and you want to know if she wants to join.

What are some examples of flirting that you use regularly?

Again, be honest. If you are interested in a girl, then tell her what interests her. Don’t make stuff up . . . if her eyes are great tell, or if her dress is hot, let her know. If she seems uncomfortable with the compliments, then save them for later. if she loves it and gets closer, keep them coming. But watch out if you are moving fast, she may have a wall that appears suddenly! Don’t get caught running full speed into her wall!

Do you have any parting words of advice?

Always overbook. Unless you have a girl that you have talked about having some sort of special relationship with, then when you go out, invite all the girls you like out at the same time.

Especialy if you haven’t hooked up with any of the girls, do not be afraid of inviting them all out at the same time. Then if you do hook up with a girl, be very careful and take your time before you start phasing out the other girls just for her. Sometimes, as soon as you get rid of all the other girls, she is over it!

Take care of yourself to look good. Buy new clothes that are unique but also fit into the scene you are hanging with, and get your body in shape!

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Grungey10 (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:36:00 +0000

I go by the alias of Grungey10. I’m 21, born and raised in the Philippines until I was 17, migrated to California a couple of years back, and recently just moved to Arizona, arguably the hottest state in America.

I remember having the biggest crush on this undiscovered beauty back when I was 12. She was playing soccer in the park. I was watching her for a couple of minutes then the perfect opportunity came. The ball flew over to my direction. I got the ball but there was no way I was kicking it back, she had to get it from me. See, I was a very mischievous kid. I would always play pranks on everyone and girls didn’t scare me that much as needles did, so yeah. I succeeded in becoming her friend and everyone in my School hated me for it (in a good way of course). Later on I found out that her younger sister had a crush on me too, I ended up losing both of them due to my indecisiveness. I couldn’t choose between them and it killed my chances. Oh what a heart break that was back then. I remember this incident very well because it was the first and last time (in my high school life) where I liked a girl and she actually liked me back.

1. Describe the moment, when you suddenly realized, “I need to work out this part of my life.”

I could never forget that moment.

I had nothing when I first moved to the United Stated.

It all started three and a half years ago when I had to make a very important decision that would eventually change the rest of my life.

Should I migrate to the United States with my whole family and start a new life? Or should I stay with the one I love, my friends, my band, and the country I grew up in?

Fortunately, I was raised well by my parents. There’s one thing that my mom would emphasize over and over again, as I grew up, and it’s the saying that “blood is thicker than water on any given day”. I took that saying to heart. I ended up moving to Los Angeles with no friends, no job, and unable to sign up for a community college (I was still waiting for my papers).

If I wasn’t at home playing the guitar or surfing the internet I would be at the gym. That’s what my life revolved around for awhile. I was bored, depressed, and celibate for a couple of months. Then I met this girl over the internet. Well, she kind of asked me out. Here’s how it went.

We chatted for a week, she felt like we had a connection so she asked me out to coffee. I was actually surprised because it was the first time I’d been out on a date for years back then.

It turned out to be a double date. We were going to be with her roommate and this one other guy. We finally meet. She was cuter than the online picture, so I can’t complain about that. She offered to buy me coffee with her Starbucks card but I refused (What the hell was I thinking?!).

We ended up staying there for 2 hours. In those 2 hours, I didn’t say more than 30 words.

So what happened?

The whole time, the other guy took control of the situation. He would tell stories about his life, make jokes, and do fun things. He was doing a good job. He wasn’t trying to make me look bad, as a matter of fact he tried to get me to open up several times, I just couldn’t. I didn’t have the skills.

Then it suddenly hit me. I lost most of my social skill due to the fact that my life revolved around 1 girl for 3 years. I was lost. The only reason why I was able to attract her is because I was communicating with her over the internet. I had time to think about the perfect things to say. I wasn’t shy to be myself at all because I couldn’t see who I was communicating with. That was the problem. I couldn’t be me.

I knew I was a cool and interesting guy. I just didn’t know how to convey my good qualities.

After the date she hurried home. I didn’t hear from her ever since.

That’s when I realized that something had to change. I looked for resources online until I stumbled on David D. That’s what started my quest for self improvement. I knew something had to change. I knew I needed to improve myself. I wasn’t going to stop until I was satisfied with my results.

2. Have you had any mentors within the community/life that have helped you improve your game, and what did they teach you?

Unfortunately, I didn’t get the chance to have any mentors to guide me through my journey. I couldn’t afford it back then. It would have been cool though. It definitely would have accelerated my learning curve. I learned through books, DVD’s, experiences, failures, and modeling friends that were successful with women.

It took me awhile to implement the things I learned. If there was one thing I hated the most… It had to be failure. I just couldn’t stand it. That hatred motivated me to work really hard on improving myself. I knew there wasn’t a quick fix. There was no magic pill that would make me successful with women overnight. I had to work on myself on a daily basis. I needed to turn my life around.

That’s when I started to put the theories into practice. It wasn’t easy though. It was probably the most challenging thing I’ve ever done in my entire life.

I had to practice everything I learned. Soon I turned myself into a social butterfly. I would talk to anyone, anytime, anywhere. After getting learning how to be social with everyone I started to specialize in the girls that were attractive to me.

So the quest began.

Every time

I saw a girl on the street… APPROACH
I saw a girl in the gym… APPROACH
I saw a girl in the mall… APPROACH
I saw a girl going in her car… APPROACH
I saw a girl in the library… APPROACH
I saw a girl on the beach… APPROACH
I saw a girl with her boyfriend… APPROACH
I saw a girl behind the counter… APPROACH

I became unstoppable during the day. It was pretty scary. It became something I’d look forward every time I went out of the house. It became a habit. There were a lot of bumps along the road. A lot of sticking points but giving up wasn’t an option. I hated failure so much that every time I screwed up, it was back to the drawing board. It was back to learning how to handle the new obstacle and this continued until I got consistent results with women of great quality.

I didn’t let it rule my life though. I wasn’t there to drop everything in my life and become someone else. I was there to improve myself and develop the skills to convey my personality in an attractive way. I started pursuing the things I was passionate about. I started living a more interesting life. I started to become a renaissance man.

I studied everything and anything that piqued my curiosity. After all, if I wanted to get good at this might as well learn everything inside and out. I didn’t want to be that guy that depended on “The Script” the whole time. I wanted to be that guy that’s naturally just irresistible and interesting to women.

I went out several times during the week. I tried meeting women in all places during the day time. I went to malls, beaches, college campuses, parks, bookstores, streets, coffee shops, libraries, you name it I’ve done it. I talked to everyone regardless of their age, gender, or occupation. After all, I believe that success in picking up women can be attributed to the manner of communication used in the conversation. That’s all it is.

I repeat.

In my experience, success in picking up girls, building relationships, and getting what you want out of life depends on your communication skills. This includes the verbal and non verbal aspects of communication.

3. Can you describe the first time you used a counter-intuitive routine that yielded it’s promised results, and how you felt?

First of all, I’d like to give you guys a brief background on how I came across a powerful counter intuitive routine that yielded great results for me. Well, actually it isn’t a routine. It’s more of a mindset.

I remember having this one friend who was just simply phenomenal with women. He was a natural. He always had women starting conversations with him and they all ended up chasing him afterwards. He’s this fairly good looking, tall, curly haired, guy that kind of resembled Brandon Boyd (the singer of Incubus).

I learned a lot from this guy.

There were things that I witnessed first hand that blew my entire reality away. It got even crazier when I started incorporating the things I learned from him in my game. Before I get to that, I’d like to mention a couple of things I noticed about this guy.

HE HAD A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT ATTITUDE WHEN IT CAME TO MEETING WOMEN

This is the most important thing I learned from him. It’s so counter intuitive. I learned that the more you demonstrate that you’re willing to walk away from a woman, the more she’d want you to stay with her.

This was probably one of the biggest things this guy had going for him. It was his belief. It was the way he viewed life. He never felt like he had to impress anyone. He never placed girls on a pedestal. Don’t get me wrong, every time we’d see a hot girl he’d be like “Damn, she’s fucking hot” but that wouldn’t be apparent when she started talking to him. As a matter of fact he taught me four things when it came to meeting women in exchange for guitar lessons.

First Lesson: Always act disinterested in her. Never ever show that you’re head over heels for her at the beginning. Once you let her know she has you. It’s over.

Second Lesson: Never be afraid to spark tension in any relationship. Always call a woman on her shit early on and don’t be afraid to lose her.

Quick story, there’s this one time where I saw this theory in action. It was after this group date we had. She was with her friends and I was with him. We were supposed to head out to the mall after dinner. He wanted her to ride with us instead of her friends. Here’s what happened:

My friend: Come ride with us

Hbfriend’s Date: Uhm, hold on let me ask my friends real quick

My friend: Cool, hurry up. (he then turns to me and says) “Watch this, I’m going to give her the ultimatum”

Hbfriend’s Date: Well, I don’t think I can ride with you guys. My friend’s aren’t comfortable with that because I just met you. I’m sorry.

My friend: First of all Hbfriend’s Date, I’m the one you’re going to a date with not your friends. We’re trying to get to know each other. Second you’re 19 not 8, I’m sure you can make your own decisions without your friends by your side. If you’re friend’s will end up making a decision for you all the time then I don’t think this is going to work out between us.

Hbfriend’s Date: No, no, I didn’t mean it to come across that way. I really want to ride with you it’s just that they’re concern about my safety. I’ll let them know that it’s alright ok? I’ll talk to them.

(She comes after 5 minutes and rides with us)

Third Lesson: Always let her know indirectly or directly that you have other options. It’s going to be her loss if she didn’t get to date you.

Fourth Lesson: Always act confident in everything that you do. If you’re going to go for the kiss just do it. Even if you’re uncomfortable just do it. If you’re nervous then you should learn how to hide it. Never show any signs of indecisiveness.

I experienced a lot of positive results ever since I started to be indifferent towards the outcome. Every time a girl would mention something she didn’t like about me I’d say “You can take it or leave it, it’s up to you, either way I’ll be happy”. I took that mindset to heart and my whole world change since then.

There were dozens of other things I picked up from this guy. I’ll share them with you another time.

4. Could you describe what you’re life was like before you were aware of this, and/or what options you have with women now?

My transition to being attractive to women…

I’d usually end up getting with a girl after a few months of knowing her. It would always start out with me befriending her, then I would take her out, then she ended up liking me. I could only talk to a girl if she was introduced to me. Picking up a girl that I didn’t know was completely foreign to me. I doubted it was possible.

Even though I’ve had some success back then, it still sucked for me big time. I always had to settle for something less. I never really got the kind of girl that I wanted.

But now, I have no problems with talking to anyone, anywhere, anytime. Finding a girl was hard for me because I’m really picky. I have this whole checklist of qualities that I look for in a girl. The shallow ones are: She had to be older than me, taller than me, and blonde. After a few years in the game it finally paid off. I met my match. The best part about it is that I never used a single routine to get her. I was able to drop the training wheels and still get similar results. Ever since then, I’ve been teaching guys how to duplicate my results through my step by step, easy to use, system of picking up women during the daytime.

5. What was your hardest/biggest sticking point?

This is easy. My biggest sticking point was my limiting belief that it was impossible for me to date someone that was older than me, taller than me, and blonde (occasionally brunettes). It took some time before I actually got over it.

Everything was different back where I was from. Everyone there placed blonde people on a pedestal. It’s crazy but it’s true. I remember instances, when I was growing up, where I’d see a blonde girl walk through the mall and all the heads would instantly turn towards her direction. People would be walking out of her way and a lot would be mesmerized just by her mere presence. It was ridiculous but that’s the society I lived in.

When I first moved here it was one of my biggest sticking points. I’ve identified it as a problem but it wouldn’t go away. That’s when I decided to challenge myself. I wanted to prove myself wrong. I wanted to prove everyone wrong. Since then I decided to only date girls that are older than me, taller than me, or blonde. It was a self fulfilling prophecy. I realized that it was a stupid limiting belief. It was just all in my head. The reason why I wouldn’t be successful in the past was because I expected failure. It was all negative thinking which wasn’t productive at all.

Ever since then I’ve converted a lot of guys from skeptics to believers. Believers that it can be done. Believers that it is possible to get a girl through personality and communication. Being a minority isn’t a problem at all. Being Asian will only work against you if you believe that it does.

6. Do you have a favorite routine/step in your model, can you describe it, and what it accomplishes?

It’s actually a phase not a routine. It’s what I call emotional connection. Emotional connection is what I call The Heart of Day Game.

A lot of guys out there focus too much on attracting girls and making them laugh. But there’s more to attracting a girl then just making her laugh.

How often do you think a girl laughs in a day?
- Someone tells a joke, she laughs
- Her friend makes a funny sound, she laughs
- Something embarrassing happens, she laughs
- Someone tells a story, she laughs
- She spends time with her family, she laughs

A girl laughs several times in a day. It’s something common. If you can make a girl laugh then you definitely got an advantage, and a couple more minutes to talk to her but it shouldn’t stop there. You should be able to build an emotional connection with her too.

I have a theory on the power of emotional connection. Let’s step into a girl’s shoes for awhile.

Growing up, she probably watched her share of Disney or romantic movies where there’s this prince charming that’s different from everybody else. She’s been dreaming of this guy ever since she was a kid. This guy who would just sweep her of her feet, connects with her on a deep level, and gives her the experience of a lifetime.

High school comes and this prince charming never arrives. Well, a couple of chumps might come along the way but never the one she’s been dreaming about. Then she probably tells herself: “You know what, I’ll just settle for what’s available. After all you can only find guys like those in movies”. After that realization, she’ll go for the guys that everyone else desires. She’ll probably settle for guys that can satisfy her logically, physically, but never emotionally. Years pass by and she’s forgotten about her dreams.

Then you come along.

How often does a stranger walk up to a girl in a confident manner, and instantly make her comfortable? Makes her laugh a little bit and then connects with her logically, emotionally, and physically. They end up opening there souls to one another on the very first day that they meet. He taps into a certain side of her that’s been unavailable to most guys all these years. He relates to her on all levels and thus an emotional connection is born. He ends up creating an emotional connection that is so strong that she ends up remembering him all her life.

This is very powerful.
This can’t be faked.
It’s an acquired skill that I help my students develop

7. Have you had the experience yet, where you feel that you’ve reached a certain degree of mastery? Can you explain the time, and how you got the realization?

My biggest realization is that you can break all the rules and still get the girl. You don’t have to have the best opener in order for the girl to talk to you. Sometimes “Hey, What’s going on?” or “I like you shirt, you have awesome style” would work wonders for you.

It’s not a crime to ask boring rapport questions like “So, where you from?” or “What do you do for a living?” if you know where you’re leading the conversation.

A lot of people get sucked in into thinking that there’s a certain way that things should be done and anything else other than that is just plain wrong. It took me years to realize that anything will work if you do it right. A girl’s attraction towards you is caused by the way you carry yourself and the things you communicate by your body language, voice tonality, facial expressions, mannerisms, and emotional projection. I know it’s been said a lot but the words you say aren’t nearly as important as to how you say it. I believe that being comfortable with expressing oneself and beliefs combined with the right frame of thinking and execution will produce amazing results when done right.

Being able to just act cool and natural and still generate attraction consistently with women is a level that I’m glad I’ve reached.

8. What advice would you give to newbies starting out, in order to greatly accelerate their learning curve?

There’s a process that you will go through in learning everything you need to know in order to be successful with women. This is an ongoing and repetitive process. This will go on until you get to the point where you’re satisfied with your skill level.

Discover: You have to gather as much information as you can on the subject matter. It is very important to have access to the right information. There’s a lot of stuff out there that will actually work against you. You have to be smart with your choices. Remember that information is not power but potential power.

Plan: You have to come up with a SOLID GAME PLAN. A plan that will get you to where you ultimately want to go. It’s going to be broken down to years, months, weeks, and days.

Act: Gathering information and creating a plan alone won’t get you anywhere. You need to be able to carry out the plan and religiously stick to it until you see results. This is the stage where a lot of people just give up. They give up because there’s no one out there helping them out. There’s no one out there to point them to the right direction. There’s no one out there critiquing them on their strong and weak points.

9. What’s your belief on inner game, and how did you improve it?

Working on both inner and outer game, at the same time, helped me in my overall progress. It’s important to have a balance between the two. Working your inner game first will eventually get you the results you want but it’s going to take time. Working on your outer game first would build your confidence and increase your inner game but you’ll still need to work out some inner game issues in the end. Working on both simultaneously creates magic.

10. Do you have a personal favorite field report (your own) that you could relay?

There was this one incident in my workplace. She was this tall, attractive girl who worked in the cosmetic section (later on I found out she was a stripper). In the past I would always try to just talk to her and push it as far as I could. This time everything was different.

It was break time. She was sitting down in the eating area. I was getting a drink from the vending machine. Here’s how it went:

Grungey10: (gets drink)
Hbstrippercoworker: Why are you drinking diet coke? (in a sarcastic tone)

Grungey10: Ohhhh baby… Ohh baby… I have to keep this sexy little body so I can impress you, remember? Or else you won’t find me hot anymore (smirks and ignores her for a bit)

Hbstrippercoworker: Omg, you’re so cocky… rolls her eyes, giggles, and continues reading her magazine.

Grungey10: (I Pull a chair in front of her, Put my feet up on a chair, eat her chips then I say) what you reading?

Hbstrippercoworker: (looks at me, pushes the magazine towards me and says) Well I think you should read it. You probably need it. *It was an article titled “How to please a woman every time”*

Grungey10: Oh that’s cute. You’re moving a little fast for me though. I don’t put out that easy, I’m a high maintenance slut. You’d have to wine me and dine me before I put out. Nice try, you’re too cute for me though. If you were a few inches taller, I’d consider it. Oh well, that’s life… so sad… Sucks, but yeah…

Hbstrippercoworker: Omg you’re such a jerk… lol… so how old are you?

Grungey10: the question is, how old are you?

Hbstrippercoworker: Uhm just turned 18

Grungey10: ooohhhh barely legal. Well, you’re too young for me. I like older girls.

Hbstrippercoworker: No really, how old are you?

Grungey10: old enough (I stand up and start walking away)

Hbstrippercoworker: (starts chasing me down the hallway) no really. How old are you? Come on don’t tease me.

Grungey10: Whoa… Slow down there kiddo, first you flirt with me and now you’re chasing me down the hallway. You’ve been watching way too much romantic movies haven’t you?

Hbstrippercoworker: You’re funny, I like you. You can avoid the age thing all you want but we definitely have to hang out one of these days.

Grungey10: We’ll see

(Later on during that day she walks up to me while I was in the middle of a sales transaction. She grabs my hand non chalantly, writes her number down, and walks away)

Grungey10: (Then I look at my customer and say) Girls nowadays, aiy ya yay…

(fast forward to 10 pm when the store closes. I get into my car and just before I could back up she shows up. Goes near my window, smiles, then flicks me off)

Grungey10: (I get out of my car she turns around, I get in her face) Hey, if you wanted to kiss me you didn’t have to flick me off you know? You could have just said so and I would have gladly denied you of your request.

Hbstrippercoworker: You’re too much for me too handle… come here (she kisses me)

I’ll stop this field report here. If we ever meet you can ask me what happened afterwards =p

11. What is your current sticking point (if any)?

I’m working on building a huge social circle out here in Arizona. It’s definitely been fun lately specially when all the hard work finally pays off and meeting people is as easy as crossing the street. My current sticking point has to do with toning down game for the college environment. I have to remind myself from time to time to tone it down. The main skills you should focus on, when gaming in college, are vibing, wide and deep rapport skills, story telling, frame control, and that’s sums it up. Anything else is overkill in my experience.

12. What are you goals now within the community, and in life?

I enjoy teaching guys how to communicate better with women. Like everything else in life; it’s a skill. It’s not something you’re born with but something you develop later on. The guys that are phenomenal with women weren’t always like that. They had to learn it early on. They had to fail before they succeeded. They probably had good role models to look up to.

It’s not hard at all to learn how to meet women during the day.

I’ve broken the process down to a simple, effective, and easy to use step by step system that goes from meeting a girl all the way to getting a number, kiss, instant date, and bringing her home the very same day.

If you want to be successful in meeting women during the day then

1. You must have drive, motivation, patience, and persistence.
2. You at least have to be passionate about getting good at this.
3. You must be willing to fail in order to succeed.
4. You will practice everything you learn in the seminar and integrate it into your life.

All of these will help you out in the long run.

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Neil Strauss (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Editor — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:29:00 +0000

Neil hardly ever does email interviews, and has turned down multiple requests from big time newspapers. This is a special treat for you avid Attraction Chronicles readers. Enjoy! =)

Donovan

Thanks for doing this interview Neil. With all that’s been written and the media exposure of ‘The Game’, it seems pointless to ask you the typical PUA questions. So I have some others.

First off, why did you choose writing as a profession, and especially writing about culture?

It was an accident. It happened like a snowball rolling a hill. I think everyone always gets asked “Did you always want to be a writer/fireman/cook/blogger?” And when you’re young you want to be EVERYTHING. You make up your own radio and TV shows, you play with fire engines, you want to be a farmer, you go to work with a dad. So, in short, I suppose I could have just as easily been a farmer or a fire fighter. I learn quickly.

Tell me about the Stylelife Challenge that you’re doing.

I started a mailing list when the book came out at my www.neilstrauss.com website. And since then, I’ve gotten thousands upon thousands of really moving emails that I just don’t have the time to answer. So I thought it would be cool before I dove into the next book to spend 31 days helping the guys who need it most: the guys getting out of rough relationships, the 25-year-olds who’ve never had sex or a girlfriend, the people who are just petrified at the thought of talking to a woman. The event is going to take place from July 1 to July 31, and the challenge is for them to get a date in that time following the instructions and assignments I give them. It’s kind of a thank-you present to my VIP list for being really fucking cool and supportive and open.

You told us in ‘The Game’ that you had help from Steve Piccus, and his mate. How did that impact your self-esteem/outlook?

A lot of people ask me that. I think the hypnosis and deep inner-game work is something you should do AFTER getting social experience. You need to get out there and interact in order to identify what your internal sticking points are. Then, once they’re identified, you can take the steps necessary to fix them. The more specifically you can pinpoint your problems, the more accurately you can defeat and overcome them. I definitely think Steve gave me a huge leap forward in terms of feeling worthiness and letting go of fear. I still vividly remember spending all those hours with my eyes closed and him telling me to imagine crazy things, many of which involved excrement for some reason.

What is your favorite song on your iPod right now?

“Sargin” by DJ Dave and Turkish. They read The Game and made this hip-hop track. It’s on my Myspace profile (www.myspace.com/neilstrauss).

If you were entering the community, what specific methods would you use to get to where you are now?

There’s one chief rule for improving: hang out with someone who’s better than you. They don’t have to be the best, just better. I think guys wring their hands too much over “choosing” a method. Just try everything (most of it’s free online) and do what works for you. Immediately get started with SOMETHING, rather than standing at the deadly precipice of indecision. You can only learn from it, and it will eventually lead you to what’s right for you.

We try and stay positive with all aspects of our lives. But no matter the circumstances, there are some things we wish we could change atleast to a small degree. Do you have any regrets about finding the community?

Of course I have no regret about finding the community, because in the end it made me a much better, happier person. I think the community should be like college for guys: you stay in it for a few years, then move into the real world with the tools to succeed. I think it only gets counter-productive only when people spend more time gossiping or trying to impress each other than actually improving themselves.

If a guy was looking to establish an exclusive relationship, where should he focus his time? On club, day, or talk show game?

Definitely talk show game.

Actually, game to me is just for courtship and attraction. Whether you’re looking for a one-night stand or marriage, they all begin the same way – with two strangers meeting.

We know that being friends with ‘naturals’ increases our social skills, helps us meet more women within their social circle, and improves our ability to attract naturally. What steps do you recommend for befriending naturals that we come into contact with?

The best way to befriend a natural is to let him know that by hanging out with you, he can meet even more women. Game respects game.

I believe one of the biggest problems that guys have, is that they’re genuinely not interesting, and/or don’t have fun. What are some activities they could take up that would help them develop a more interesting lifestyle/attitude?

Good point. I always tell guys that the best way to meet women is to have something better than meeting women Every guy NEEDS to be doing something physical a few times a week – whether it’s working out, surfing, jogging, a sport, or a martial art. Traveling is also a key to become a deeper, richer person. But the most important thing is…not being self-conscious, because deep inside, we all know we’re interesting. Some of us are just uncomfortable sharing that side of themselves with strangers because they’re worried that they’ll be judged.

If you could live in any city/town/country in the world, politics, calamities, lover, and family aside, where would it be?

I haven’t found that place yet. But the three trips I’d most like to take that I haven’t done yet are New Zealand, Cuba, and a road trip across Russia.

It’s amazing to most of us that even some celebrities that you’ve talked briefly about have trouble attracting women into relationships. Of these, what in your opinion is the main reason some celebrities aren’t successful getting stable, beautiful, interesting women?

Here’s the thing: Almost every famous person I know can only choose from among the women who approach them. If they see a woman they’re attracted to, most of them don’t know how to break the ice. Or if they do, their way of accomplishing it is to send their manager or bodyguard over to say, “So-and-so would like to meet you”

In addition, a lot of them get LMR, with these types of women, because she’ll start asking them if they do this with all the girls. Some celebrities I’ve talked to actually have routines to deal with this – and they’re not unlike the community’s LMR routines.

What I’m more interested in is the women who end up dating these celebrities. I’ll see some on the arm of a different famous guy every night. I’d like to learn more about THEIR game.

When you want to escape the demands of being a best-selling author and quasi-celebrity figure, what do you do?

Feeding pigeons in the park, standing on street corners and shouting obscenities at passers-by, and sometimes even loading in a no-loading zone.

Many guys seem to have a problem with Day2′s and getting women out there at times (possibly because of no idea what to do). Could you give some interesting examples of your most successful Day2 activities?

Every Sunday when I was actively sarging, I’d map out my nightly activities for the week. This way, when I met someone I was interested in, I could invite her to tag along to the appropriate event or meal or shopping expedition or night out. Some guys do one-on-one coffee dates, but I prefer to bring her out in a small, fun group, so that after a few hours we yearn to break away and be alone together.

What has been your favorite film at the cinemas within the last 3 months?

The last great movie I saw was older than that. It was the documentary “Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room.” It’s chilling.

What guys from the community are you still close friends with?

I’m still close with a handful of great guys, and in communication with most others. I’ll always treasure the bonds I made. I really have a lot of gratitude, respect, and love for every single person in the book.

Thanks, we look forward to your continued influence in the community!

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Magic (Seduction Masters Interview)

How did you get started in the seduction community?

What was the biggest change in your own life that helped you become successful with women?

I’ve seen you in bars. Women melt unexplainably. What are your general tactics and techniques for attracting women?

Was there a moment when you finally realized you had become good with women. What happened?

What is the biggest problem holding men back from being able to attract beautiful women?

You’ve started running bootcamps. What would a guy expect if he were to train with you?

Why would someone take a bootcamp from you over all the other companies that do this?

Why do you think other companies don’t get the results you do?

Can you relate a few examples of an ‘amazing result’ that one of your coaching clients had?

Why are your bootcamps so cheap compared to other companies?

If you had one bit of advice for my readers, what would it be?

AFC Adam Lyons Interview

Interview with Braddock of Love Systems

Where are you from, what’s your background?

How was your dating life up to getting involved in the industry?

What was the tipping point for you to get involved in the men’s community?

What were your major sticking points, have you gotten over them and what have you done to accomplish it?

Do you have a favorite field report, can you share it?

You work with Love Systems. Why Love Systems and not by yourself?

What are you working on lately?

Sean Stephenson Interview

Tell me about where you’re from and how you got to be where you are now with “inner game.”

Have you had any huge realizations about inner game that you’ve only had in the last year?

Is there one big key to focus on for self esteem and confidence that can help guys who are just starting out?

Where do you meet most of the women you date?

Which people have you had personal dealings with that have helped your inner game? What did they teach you?

Has anything you learned from Tony Robbins proven incorrect or inapplicable as you’ve gone through life?

What is the biggest inner game problem guys have within the community? What can they do to remedy it?

Do you have any field reports of you personally that you can relate to help the readers?

What is inner game magazine, what can guys expect?

Why should guys be subscribed to it?

Interview with Extramask/TwentySix from The Game

What have you been doing since then?

Comedy is your specialty and many people know you’re an aspiring standup comedian. How does being funny relate to picking up women?

What are the best methods for being funnier in conversation?

What are some great resources guys can buy today to help them in their quest for being funnier?

How do you balance being funny versus “trying to hard” or overly dominating the conversation to the point of annoyance?

You’re known for having a very upbeat mood. How do you maintain that and do you have any downtime?

Who are the best pickup guys you’ve met and what have they taught you that you’ve implemented into your game?

You’ve started a new company, can you explain what that’s about and what it offers?

Sinn (Seduction Masters Interview)

How did you get into the community?

What do you think is the single biggest thing you’ve learned in the community?

What would you say is the single biggest factor in whether or not someone will get good at “The Game”?

What do you think game is?

What’s different about what and how you teach?

Why did you leave The Mystery Method?

What do you think the biggest mistake guys make with women is?

You teach a day game program, talk to me a little about day game.

You also teach a program on picking up strippers any tips on that?

What’s your best technique for guys looking to get better at Same Night lays?

What can we expect to see from you now that you’re on your own?

Cajun (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Why did you get in the seduction community?

Why did you choose the name Cajun?

What is your life like now with women?

What is one of your favorite routines?

Do you use props? If so, what would be the one that gets the most reaction?

Can you relate one of your favorite field reports?

You won Keys to the VIP. Can you explain your experience with that?

With most of your students, what is there biggest sticking point?

What methods have you used to become comfortable with women?

Which pick up artists have inspired you the most?

What did you learn from them?

Tenmagnet (Seduction Master’s Interview)

Why did you get in the seduction community?

What was your biggest sticking point?

Why did you choose the name Tenmagnet?

What is your life like now with women?

What is one of your favorite routines?

Do you use props? If so, what would be the one that gets the most reaction?

Can you relate one of your favorite field reports?

Cajun won Rules to the VIP. Can you explain what it was like to see a former student do that?

What methods have you used to become comfortable with women?

Which pick up artists have inspired you the most?

What did you learn from them?

You trained Cajun. Can you tell us what he was like?

How did you tailor his training?

What were your major sticking points, have you gotten over them and
what have you done to accomplish it?