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Magic (Seduction Masters Interview)

Editor — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:31:44 +0000

You may have heard of this emerging star in the seduction community before. Magic helped coach with Brad P, was on David Deangelo’s Man Transformation program, and has a unique perspective on the seduction community we’re all a part of. After seeing Magic infield, I realized this was coach that men need to learn from. He’s direct, unapologetic and gets results… FAST. Leave your thoughts in the comments below.

How did you get started in the seduction community?

I came from India about 10 years back. After I came to this country nothing was working for me. I tried to date many women but it never worked out. I was too desperate. I took this girl to Vegas with me. Stayed in the biggest suite in Mirage, bought her a $4000 diamond bracelet and took her on a private helicopter tour to Grand Canyon. I thought this would be my ticket to her. The very same night she was having sex with another guy she met in Vegas in the same room that I paid for.

I tried meeting women many more times but it never worked. I got convinced that my Indian ethnicity was limiting me from succeeding. I thought women in this country only go for tall, blonde hair, blue eyed and muscular guys. I started to think this was it. I was never going to get any other woman for the rest of my life.

I got lucky. One day a woman approached me at a bar in San Francisco. She was curious about my background. She ended up offering to teach me. She took me to bars and clubs for one week and trained me the way I now train my students. She gave a jump start to my dating life. I never had to look back after that day. I was getting laid left and right. I was having threesomes and orgies. Women were inviting me to pleasure parties.

When I moved to Los Angeles to make a film, I ended up working for Savoy (Love Systems) in the back office. I realized that I can be a lot of help to men with my skills and knowledge. My ability to relate to students, noticing their sticking points and advancing them to next level got noticed by lot of friends and professionals who advised me to get into business of helping men.

What was the biggest change in your own life that helped you become successful with women?

It is really hard to point to single factor that contributed to my success. It was a combination of things that had to be addressed. These are different for different people. They usually crop from your upbringing, childhood experiences present and future goals. As Yoda from Star Wars will say I had to unlearn what I had learned and build a new belief system and lifestyle.

I had to work on re evaluate and re draw my belief system and values. I had to identify messages that were preventing me from taking the next step and pushing forward. I had to draw a future road map. I had to pretty much do all the inner game exercises I make students do in the first few chapters of Social Mastery.

I had to then work on my social and seduction skills. If I had to point to one thing it would be making the mind set to take chances. I kept pushing myself, testing my boundaries, trying new styles of interaction to see what comes out of them. I was more often than not surprised by pleasant and positive responses.

For example most people out there before going for the kiss usually say something like: “I feel like kissing you” or “Would you like to kiss”. By making these statements they are actually testing the water to see how she responds. When in reality men should simply look into a woman’s eyes. Make extended eye contact, slowly pull her toward them and go for the kiss. It is more manly, romantic and seductive. Ask any woman and she will tell you that she rather be kissed than asked for her permission. Very often she will just kiss you even if she is not a 100% sure because it turns her on. However you can only do this if you feel secure and do not take rejections personally.

It was learning these new behaviors and having the mindset to succeed with women that was a huge break trough for me. This is exactly what we do for our students through various products and training. There is a reason why we have highest number of students getting laid within one week of training than any other company out there. In fact last year we had 3 out of 4 students sleep with women within one week of training if not during the session. And these are verifiable results.

I’ve seen you in bars. Women melt unexplainably. What are your general tactics and techniques for attracting women?

You have to have all elements in control to succeed with women. You need to know the most effective way to communicate your sexual desires for her. You need to have the skill set to decode her signs and respond appropriately. You need to know exact timing to advance your interaction to the next level and you need to know how to lead a woman to where you want her to be.

This is why instead of giving general advice like go for the kiss when she is attracted to you I give concrete identifiable measures. For example if you have executed 3-4 level 2 kino from our Kino escalation model and the woman has not objected then you know it is time to go for the kiss. If she says no but continues to stay with you, usually it means she was not ready for the kiss but is still into you else she would have left. At this point test her attraction and go for the kiss again and usually it will happen the second time.

The idea is to understand how seduction works in the minds of women. Then calibrate your moves so she feels seduced. What you saw me doing was nothing extraordinary. I was talking the most generic things that people advocate against talking yet I was getting attraction and so were all my students. The key was not the conversation topics but how they were being used to convey confidence and sexuality.

My system is all about being a man, not being ashamed of your sexual desires and calibrating your moves to where this woman stands. This comes across as more natural, real and effective. As you watched yourself how women were getting attracted and how my students were making progress with women during the first night of training.

Was there a moment when you finally realized you had become good with women. What happened?

I had been good with women for a long time. I was having threesomes and regular booty calls. I was sleeping with my professor and therapist so I knew I was successful with women. However I had set a different bench mark to measure my success.

Before I became good with women I went to this place in San Francisco called “Velvet Lounge”. I was watching this guy dance and literally grope a woman who pushed him away. In my mind I was laughing at this guy for being sexually aggressive. Few minutes later I witnessed two women literally fighting over this guy. I was shocked. The guy I thought to be a loser has two gorgeous women fighting over him and won’t be surprised if he ended up pulling them both home that night.

I left the venue because it made me feel down. I ended up making a promise to myself that the day two women fight over me will be the day I will finally call myself successful with women.

This happened in January of 2008. I went to the bar in the lobby for hotel ‘W’ in San Francisco with a female friend of mine. I’ll spare the details of the story but that night every woman there was approaching me. A young 21 year old woman walked up to me and introduced herself to me. Within seconds two women who had opened me and were friends with each other jumped on me.

Both sat on my lap and started to hump me for over 5 minutes. When they were done the 21 year old who just walked up to me ended up telling them that there was no need to put up this show and they could have just told her to walk away. An argument started and I was like “YEAH” because I had finally achieved my goal. I had so high value that night that I could have pulled all of them together and they would have complied. I know it is a silly benchmark to have but it is what it is.

What is the biggest problem holding men back from being able to attract beautiful women?

Again it is different for different people. I do not believe that every student has the same problem this is why I do not teach standard program to all students. Every workshop is catered to participating students. What was holding me may not be what is holding you. This is why we plan the structure of our workshop after meeting the participating students.

However most of it would boil down to men not making a commitment and taking steps to improve their lives. Almost everyone looks for a magic bullet to get women. They would rather focus on lines and routines as opposed to mastering the principals underlying those routines to generate attraction.

If you truly want to succeed with women in the long run you need to work on yourself. Address your limited beliefs, understand how seduction works and then practice the new knowledge. Seduction is easy! Dating beautiful women is very doable on regular basis. It takes commitment and discipline for a little while.
This is also the reason I do not teach everyone. In order to take a 1 on 1 session with me students have to go through a phone interview with me. If I find that they are not committed to make a change and get this area of their life handled then I do not teach them. I do not want to waste three days of my life and have no results for them.

Anyone who wants to make progress has to be committed and willing to take action. If they continue to be same then they will continue to experience the same results for the most part.

You’ve started running bootcamps. What would a guy expect if he were to train with you?

Do not come to me with any expectations. The only thing I will guarantee is that I will give you my 100%. I will give you only valid and effective information. You will get information that I practice.

If you are looking for a standard program this is not for you. If you are looking for someone who will sit with you over the next three days and tell you how cool you are, don’t come to me. I will tell you to your face if your breadth smells so you can fix it. I believe students pay me so much money and time to identify their weaknesses and solutions to address them.

I will first evaluate you. See where you stand with women. I want to see how women react to you when you approach them. It is then that I will decide what needs to be covered over the next few days to get you success with women.

It works for me to cuss in my sets. My dress up makes women expect cussing from me. But that won’t work for you. This why once I see what women see in you then I can tweak your approach to get them see value in you and feel attracted to you.

I do not teach manipulation. I openly say that I will not teach anything I would not want to happen to my mother, sister or daughter. I will not teach you how to build value at the venue. I will instead work on you to transform you into a guy who is desirable by women. If techniques alone would bring results everyone would be getting laid reading them online or in the books.

The key to winning women is to become a guy who is desirable by women. Then approach them and use the techniques that generate attraction. But these will only work if you have no hang ups and feel good about yourself.

In my workshop I will cover everything from inner game to seduction techniques. What exactly will be given depends on the group. My coaching style is rough and I will push the hell out of you to the next level. Your fear to approach women because your dad beat you when you were a kid has no bearing on me. I will drag you and have you approach women. if you were to touch her or kiss her and you did not do it. I will take you back in the set and make you do it. Fear and excuses have no room in my workshops.

I will pretty much break your bad habits and build new habits that will help you succeed with women. Now you know why my students get laid so fast. They take lot of abuse from me.

Why would someone take a bootcamp from you over all the other companies that do this?

As I mentioned earlier no one has to take a session with me. The only reason you will come to me is because you are ready to make some serious changes. You do not want some general theory but concrete steps calibrated to you to push you to the next level with women.

I usually address my students as Marines of dating. They go through lot of abuse and hard work during the session but once they are done they are unstoppable. Not everyone is ready to be pushed this hard. Many students want to take time and baby steps to become good. I have no patience for that. I believe my job is to break your fears and advance your progress with women.

You will come to me not because I can get laid but because you want to get laid. If you read student reviews on most company websites they are about how fun the workshop was or good the instructor was. I haven’t seen one site where students talk about the success they have achieved.

Most programs out there are designed to show students what can be done. Our program is not about what we can do but what we can do for you. It is of no consequence to you if I got laid with the hottest women on planet. The question is can I get you laid? This is why you come to me. You come to me because you want to succeed with women and not because I am successful with women. Whether you read Social Mastery Book, watch Day Game or Same Night Lay DVDs you will find the information is all about helping you progress by taking specific steps.

This is evident with the student reviews and testimonies on our website. In 2009 3 out of 4 students I taught ended up sleeping with women within one week of the training if not during the training itself. All testimonies are verifiable. We are the only company who specifically address their student to write an honest testimony as opposed to a nice testimony. We tell them that someone will spend money based on their review and they should not write anything that will bring bad karma to them. I am openly writing it here to have someone challenge me if I am lying.

Short answer: Come to me when you are ready to be pushed to next level with women.

Why do you think other companies don’t get the results you do?

I wouldn’t say other companies don’t get results. They get results they aim for. As I mentioned many companies out there aim to show their game as opposed to show what they can do for students.

I also believe that not everyone is capable of giving the therapy treatment. Meaning lot of coaches, though good with women, do not know what is stopping their students from succeeding with women. Hence they can’t offer a customized solution to their students. This is why many companies give you a system that has worked for them and their coaches. They want you to keep practicing it till you can master it.

The problem with it is that not every student is willing to give up their personality and lifestyle and put on the suit offered by these methods. Students can only be effective if they feel that what they are doing truly represents them. They should feel self as opposed to Magic when they approach women.

I personally believe that in order for your student to succeed you have to come down to their level and give them what will work for them as opposed to asking them to climb the ladder and come to your level.

Can you relate a few examples of an ‘amazing result’ that one of your coaching clients had?

I can write a book on the success my students have achieved. I trained an ‘A’ list rock star that could not approach women on his own despite his success. We were able to fix it for him. I have numerous students who went from zero to having threesomes within a month. I have had a student who had taken boot camp with another company and was getting thrown out of every bar and club. This company made him super aggressive. I mellowed him don and he ended up having his first same night lay the night of the training where he ended up having sex with a woman in his car right in Hollywood. I had a student who has been in community for over 9 years. This guy has taken sessions from every company out there. It took us 3 days to get him to the level to get same night lay. There many amazing success stories. I’ve done up a bunch of case studies for guys to read.

You have a 100% Money Back Guarantee if people ask on the last day of your bootcamp. Has anyone taken you up on that, if so, what happened?

So far we have had not a single student ask for a refund. I have been coaching since 2008 and it feels good to make this statement.

Why are your bootcamps so cheap compared to other companies?

Our boot camps used to be way cheaper. Initially we wanted people to take a chance on us so we can show the world what we can do. Now as our name is building and our students our students are getting success our prices are beginning to go up. People who took advantage of us remind us of this every time we meet them. For example my 1 on 1 used to be $600 in 2008. They are currently $1497 and will be $5000 pretty soon. They are still a great deal because our coaching unlike other programs is life transforming. Not only do we turn you in to Casanovas but like many guys know it effects all aspects of your life.

Our group workshops are also going up in prices soon since wanna be able to continue serving students and being able to live comfortably doing so.

We are still a bargain even with rising prices. What we teach in three days is something no other company in the world can teach. Unlike other companies we only teach 4 student 2 instructor boot camps to be able to make them effective for our students. Unfortunate side of this is that we cannot afford to continue this model for little money. I will never have more students but then it means I have to charge more to survive.

If you had one bit of advice for my readers, what would it be?

Don’t be afraid to take chances. Make a commitment and take actions. Get proactive about this. Life is too short to worry about other people. Every day you procrastinate is one less day of love in your life. Get your ass out and make it happen for yourself.

Thanks Magic!

To find out if Magic’s live coaching can help you, he does 30 minute phone consultations to determine whether or not you are a good fit. Visit Magic’s site, Attraction Methods here.

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4 Reasons Why Women Reject Men

Editor — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:29:58 +0000

Most men HATE the idea of “rejection”. I’m not talking about “don’t like the idea” or “wish it didn’t happen”… I’m talking HATE here.

The idea of walking up to a woman and having her REJECT you causes most men to instantly feel sick in the pit of their stomachs and literally feel a horrible combination of nervousness and confusion.

A guy can psych himself up for an hour to go talk to a woman, but when the moment comes to actually DO IT, EVERYTHING changes. The heart rate shoots up, breathing quickens, eyes dart back and forth, thoughts of rejection fill the mind, and eventually the pressure becomes too much to bare.

Most men find this state so scary that they end up deciding to forget about approaching the women… just to end the discomfort. The temptation is great to just “walk away” because just as quickly as the intense nervousness is triggered by the moment one decides to ACT, it goes away when you decide to “forget about it and walk away”.

The fact that “choosing to walk away” leads to the “instant gratification” of the nervous feeling going away makes it the most popular option. Most of the time (and I’m talking about probably 99% of the time here) men just walk away. They give up before they’ve even started.

I find this topic fascinating.

If I just think about it, I can remember MANY times in my past where I wanted to talk to a woman, but I just didn’t do it. In fact, many of them are so vivid that I can remember the exact setting, what the girl looked like, who else was there, etc… and I’m talking about situations that happened YEARS ago.

These moments obviously made an impression.

I can also remember kicking myself for DAYS afterwards for not approaching and talking to these girls. Can you relate?

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTUAL REJECTION AND THE FEAR OF REJECTION..

I think it’s important to realize that there’s a BIG difference between ACTUAL rejection (having a girl who is offended, upset, rude, etc. to you when you start talking to her) and the FEAR of rejection (how you feel when you imagine a woman rejecting you).

I’ve found that for me PERSONALLY, my FEAR of rejection is actually FAR, FAR more painful and difficult to deal with than ACTUAL rejection in the real world.

The main reason for this is that most of the time when a man starts talking to a woman, she is actually rather nice about the whole affair.

Men aren’t “rejected” very often!

If a woman isn’t interested, she usually just says “I have a boyfriend” or “No thank you”… or she’ll just walk away without saying anything at all.

Out of the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times that I’ve approached women, I can’t remember any time that a woman has yelled “Get away from me you loser! You are unattractive and the very thought of going on a date with you makes me sick to my stomach!”

I’m sure it’s happened to SOMEONE, but it’s never happened to ME.

The worst I’ve had is a woman making fun of the words I used (telling me that my pickup line was lame) or just walking away. No slaps, no boyfriends beating me up, and no yelling. But here’s the kicker…

You can experience an intense FEAR of rejection EVERY time you consider approaching a woman. Imagine, something you can predict with almost perfect accuracy.

You can be in any situation, anywhere, anytime, and still have FEAR of rejection… which will prevent you from approaching a woman. Ah, the power of the human mind.

HOW TO DEAL WITH REJECTION…

A lot of guys ask me, “How do I deal with rejection?”.

The answer: Don’t worry about it.

If you get “rejected”, you’ll be fine. Really. It’s no big deal, and it doesn’t happen that often. And when it does, you’ll recover shortly thereafter.

You’ll find yourself telling your friends about it, and laughing together. Rejection from a woman is about as painful as getting a “D” on a test.

It’s basically insignificant. The REAL question is “How do I deal with my FEAR of rejection?”.

WHY WOMEN REJECT MEN…

Now let’s talk about those rare instances where a woman actually REJECTS a man.

For the sake of this discussion, I want to define “rejection” as a woman doing something that lets you know that she’s upset and offended that you started talking to her, and she responds in a mean or vicious way to make you go away.

I do NOT consider a woman walking away without stopping to talk to you, her saying “No thank you”, or any other time when a woman just simply doesn’t engage to be “rejection”.

If you DO consider these things to be rejection, please stop reading now, call your mom into your room, and tell her that it’s time you grew up and moved out… and that she’ll get over the fact that she can’t choose your clothes for you and hug you when you have a boo-boo anymore.

I digress…

I’ve found that there are a few main reasons why women actually DO reject men (by the way, it’s VERY rare that I actually get “rejected” anymore… it’s probably happened to me once in the last 100 times I’ve started a conversation with a woman… because I don’t do dumb-ass things anymore).

Here are the main ones:

1. The guy isn’t paying attention, and he does something stupid to begin with.

Some guys think it’s appropriate to walk up to a woman, put their arm around her, and say, “Hey baby, you sure do look hot tonight”.

Some guys don’t see anything wrong with following a woman around all night, staring at her constantly, then walking over with a nervous, sweaty-palmed, stalkerish look and saying, “You remind me of my sister”.

These are bad ideas.

2. The guy doesn’t stop when he should.

If two women are sitting alone at a table in the corner, and one of them is obviously upset, and you walk over to them and say, “Hi, can I buy you a drink?”… and the upset one looks at you and says, “No thanks, we’re in the middle of a conversation” (then looks away from you back at her friend)… and you say, “Aw, cummon, have a drink. You need to lighten up and have some fun”… and she looks back at you and says firmly, “We’re busy”… and you say, “What, are you in a bad mood or something? I’m just trying to buy you a drink”… and she says, “We don’t want a drink”… and you say, “Well maybe your friend does”… and the friend says, “No, I don’t want one either”…

OK, hopefully you get it.

If you ever do something like this, you are a dumb ass, and you deserve to be slapped and have 47 drinks thrown in your lap.

3. Making a woman nervous with your body language.

If you start talking to a woman, but your posture is weak and slumped, your eyes are darting around but not meeting hers, and you’re wearing an unbuttoned flannel shirt with one of the tails tucked in, you’re probably not going to get a favorable response.

If you creep a woman out, things aren’t going to work for you.

4. Not understanding a woman’s body language and other communication.

When you start talking to a woman, she will let you know within a very short time if she’s receptive to talking to you.

If you’ve been reading too many books that say “A woman will signal her availability and interest by flipping her hair, licking her lips, and cocking her head coyly at you”, then get over it.

This stuff happens to Brat Pitt, not to YOU.

And if it DOES happen to you, then skip this part.

When you first start talking to a woman she’s either going to keep talking to you in an open, comfortable way or she’s not.

She’s either going to act like things are cool or she’s going to act like they’re not.

This is an amazing thought, but women get nervous too. They will often stop talking just because they can’t think of anything to say, etc.

But you need to pay attention.

Experience is the best teacher here.

My simple point is that MOST GUYS CAUSE REJECTION by what they’re doing. They aren’t paying attention, or they’re doing things that are offensive.

If you just avoid a few major mistakes, learn how to start conversations with women, and do a few simple things RIGHT, you’ll all but totally avoid “rejection” from the women you approach.

HOW TO OVERCOME FEAR OF REJECTION

The REAL obstacle here is the FEAR.

As I mentioned, FEAR of rejection, or IMAGINING rejection when you should be imagining success, leads to walking away.

You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

Ironically, I’ve found that the best way to overcome my own fear of rejection was to see that it wasn’t going to actually happen.

The more times I approached women and started conversations and the more I saw that women usually responded positively, the less I imagined things going wrong. This led to a positive feedback loop of me wanting to approach more women and have more success.

Here are a few ideas for overcoming your own FEAR of rejection:

1) Go out to a bar, and watch men approaching women.

Take a Saturday night, and just go out alone. Find a seat at the bar where things are busy, and just watch.

Make sure you visit a place that is REALLY busy, so you can see a lot of people interacting.

Now, pay attention.

You’ll begin to pick out the guys who are approaching a lot of women, asking them to dance, buying them drinks, etc. Watch what happens.

You’ll be able to see for yourself that most of the time, even if the woman isn’t interested, nothing bad happens.

You’ll also see that when a guy tries to grab a woman who’s walking by, makes a crude sexual comment, or just keeps talking when a woman isn’t interested, that the woman’s feelings might escalate and she’ll respond negatively.

You can watch what works and what doesn’t right in front of your own eyes.

This will start to reprogram your mind that women don’t usually “reject” men, even in the most intense situations where they’re being approached all night.

2) Start small.

If you have to, start by talking to women who are PAID to talk to you.

Go to a mall (one of my favorites).

Stores in malls hire attractive young women.

Walk into every store, and start conversations.

Practice making eye contact.

Come up with a few jokes that you can use in any situation (“So, do you own this store? Perfect, then you won’t care if I just take some things…”)

Ask the salesgirls to smell your new cologne (the one you sprayed on your wrist next door) and give you her opinion.

The more you do this, the more you’ll get used to starting conversations with women you don’t know, and having comfortable conversations.

3) Choose one default thing for each situation.

It amazes me that guys don’t think ahead.

They don’t plan what they’re going to do.

As the old saying goes “By failing to plan, you plan to fail”.

You really need to figure out a DEFAULT thing you can do to start a conversation with any woman, anywhere, anytime.

Once you come up with your idea, mentally rehearse it until you could do it in any situation.

Then get out and do it.

HOW TO AVOID REJECTION AND INCREASE SUCCESS

Human beings tend to want to “save face” when it comes to relationships.

We don’t like the idea that another person has outright “rejected” us, and we ALSO tend to not want to “hurt other people’s feelings” by rejecting them.

This is one of the reasons why women will often lie and say “I have a boyfriend” when they don’t.

You must become aware of these “subconscious” processes and motivations, work with them, and eventually become the master of them.

Learn to recognize when a woman is “politely saying no thanks”, and move on.

If a woman isn’t interested in you, forget about it. It doesn’t matter.

Go to the next one. There are plenty.

LEARN HOW AND WHY WOMAN FEEL ATTRACTION FOR MEN

Most men believe that if they could only overcome their own fear of rejection, and learn how to start talking to women, all their problems would be solved.

Not so!

Just because you can start conversations with women doesn’t mean that they’ll feel ATTRACTION for you.

It took me a LONG time to really “get” this.

It took me even LONGER to realize that there is actually a way to make women feel the emotion of ATTRACTION for you… just by the way you communicate with them.

I used to believe that it was a mysterious, lucky accident when a woman felt ATTRACTION. Now I realize that it’s only “lucky” for those guys who don’t understand it (and very few do).

And if you’d like to get an introduction to the main concepts, then download a copy of my downloadable eBook “Double Your Dating“. This eBook is a complete intro to the mind set and techniques you need to understand to start being successful with women. It’s here:

http://www.DatingTechniques.com/eBook

I’ll talk to you soon,
David DeAngelo

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Phone Numbers and Investment

Editor — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:29:16 +0000

I have a Braddock, an awesome coach from Love Systems, sharing some of his expertise on what to do once you have a girl’s phone number. Braddock of Love Systems (formerly Mystery Method Corp) is an expert on phone and text game. His new book The Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game is all about tips and techniques on turning (dead) phone numbers into dates. Today he will be sharing his tips on when you should ask for a phone number.

Let’s see if you can identify yourself with this situation: You get a phone number from a girl but she will not respond to your text messages or phone calls.

Sounds familiar?

What you have is a flaky phone number. Most of the time flaky numbers are a symptom of something you did wrong when you first met the girl.

What most guys do wrong is as soon they see the girl is a little bit interested they will ask for the phone number. In other words, as soon the girl is a little bit attracted the guy will see that as a green light to get her phone number.

What is the mistake? You are asking too early for the phone number.

Remember that women live in the emotional moment. This means she may have genuinely wanted to give you her number at that moment and gone out with you, but one or two days later she is not feeling the exact same way she did when you first met.

So when is the right time to ask for her phone number?

The short answer is: once she has invested herself in you.

Invested? What does that mean?

Let me first explain what investment is in the dating context.

Investment is essential to reducing flaky phone numbers and thus getting girls to respond to your calls. As humans we value things we work for. That is the basic idea behind investment. The more she will invest in us, the more “valuable” we are to her. Let me give you an example.

Do you remember when you received money for your birthday?

That was easy money because you didn’t do anything to get it. That money was also easily spent. Few years later, you got your first job where you had to work hard for your money.

Did you spend that money just as easy?

No, because you understood the value of money once you had to work for it.

The same idea applies to dating. If women do not work for your attention and interest, they will not value you as much. We want women to work for you and invest themselves into you. That in return will make women more attracted to you and someone who she wants to see again.

Getting woman attracted is not good enough. Attraction is just a fleeting feeling. She might have been attracted to you at the moment you got her phone number, but that attraction might be gone the next day.

When you get investment from the girl you solidify that attraction a little bit more. Within Love Systems we call that Qualification and that is worth explaining in another article. Let me give you five actionable items you can use today that will help you reduce flaky phone numbers:

-Build an emotional connection first before asking for the phone number

-Move her around the venue multiple times

-Bounce to a different venue if you can

-Getting her to save your (nick) name and phone number in her phone

-Hint at meeting up in the future and if she is agrees, then ask for the phone number.

Here is a simple exercise you can do. Go out for a few weeks and don’t ask for numbers unless SHE hints at meeting up with you. Push the levels of attraction and emotional connection to a point where she is almost coming on to you. This is hard to do and not something you can do every time but it’s a good exercise. It will help you see the window of when you should ask for the number.

This is really the tip of the iceberg of what you can do to turn more phone numbers into dates. In my book The Ultimate Guide on Text and Phone Game I have many more tips and techniques on even turning flaky phone numbers into dates. It will be released January 21st, 2010 and you can find more information on it by clicking here.

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Impact Makes Connection Part 1 (Kezia)

Kezia — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:51:39 +0000

Why is creating connection with a woman so important? And how can you achieve it?

I will be giving you a female perspective on this, and will show you the steps you need to understand in order for you to obtain a deep and significant connection with a woman.

I will also explain why you can benefit immensely if you manage to make a deep connection with her and how you can use this particular skill for years to come.

External/surface/superficial connection

This is the type of connection that guys should make if they are in a rush, and literally don’t have time to make a deeper connection with the woman, (i.e. day game when she is rushing a long a busy street) this is usually fairly easy to do.

Examples of surface connections:

Enjoying the same type of films
Coming from the same town
Doing the same line of work
Sharing any general interests or hobbies
Sharing the same sense of humour
Liking the same type of music

In a world consisting of billions of people. We can find a certain sense of comfort by finding even the most flimsy form of connection with a random person. Whether it’s the fact that they come from the same area/town that we are from. Whether we share the same Zodiac sign (sad but true) or if they happen to be in the same line of work as us.

Making surface connections with a woman are also a good way to create a “reason” (other than seducing her) to meet up again.

Man: “Yeah, he’s one of my favourite actors too, we should catch that new movie he’s in..” etc etc

This information is all very obvious and is common knowledge, so there is no need for me to elaborate the point any further of why obtaining surface connections can be very useful.

However, if you DO have time, you should try your best to make a deeper connection with her.

Making a deeper connection with a woman would create a number of changes in the her state of mind and would alter her opinion of you (positively of course), and as a result of these slight mind shifts forming on in her head, mood shifts will follow, and finally the energy and direction of the interaction between you both will improve dramatically.

Making a deeper connection will get her to open up, and start explaining how she FEELS and REACTS about things. And this will give you a wonderful insight in to her mind (ever heard the expression that knowledge and information is power?)

A deeper connection creates a “special” and “private” moment between you and her that no one else can touch or get in to.

When a deeper connection is made, a moment is created, where she feels like you ‘know’ her (and she knows you) on a very personal level (psychologically)

And by doing this she temporarily places you in the same category as the people in her life that she has known for years. These are people who she can trust, who she respects and they are people who she can be comfortable and relaxed with.

Understanding the formula of making deep connection helps men to reduce the chances of getting flaky numbers.

So why do men avoid making deep connection?

Men usually have much more of a “bravado” in comparison to woman, and they are much more conscious of what image they wish to display to others, and generally men will only lower that bravado and drop the “bull shit” with a very few select people. Some men cannot even bare the thought of crying in front of people; even the very idea makes them cringe.

Men view strength, confidence and success as the attractive qualities they must uphold in order to obtain respect from both men and woman, and so obviously crying or admitting that they have problems, fears, Insecurities etc would only serve to damage their image that they have spent years in perfecting.

Now DON’T PANIC! I know you are thinking that this is going to be the part where I try to change you, and tell you to drop the bravado and start showing your inner emotions, fears, vulnerabilities and insecurities and become one of these ‘new age metrosexual men’

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

I can’t think of anything worse than going out with a “big girls blouse” This is a term I unfortunately find myself using more and more due to the fact that men are being told to act like “a wimp” in order to connect with woman.

Having a guy take me out on a date, and who wants to talk about emotions and feelings all evening and how he feels weak and/or unloved or a guy who wants to divulge every nitty gritty insecurity he has would completely turn me off, . Me and my friends often ring each other after an unsuccessful date, and it’s becoming increasingly more common for us to complain that the man made us feel too strong, too alpha too powerful for him to handle. Anyway, that’s a different story for another time.

The point I’m making here, is that I have no intention in giving you any advice that will make you come across needy, new age, metrosexual or effeminate. (There’s enough woman monthly magazines making a good job of that already)

Women do not share the guys obsessive need to KEEP UP SOME SORT OF BRAVADO. Granted that woman DO where bravado, but the difference is that they can feel a great sense of relief when it comes down. (Unlike men who feel temporarily exposed and vulnerable when their bravado comes down)

We are more open to talking about how we feel, our insecurities, fears and needs, but because men feel that divulging such information to a stranger is almost alien to them. They subsequently presume that women feel the same, and so they choose to avoid making deeper connections with the woman.

Us women however, do not consider that talking about our problems, feelings, insecurities and emotions as weak. We can really enjoy and embrace that moment when we can finally stop playing the role of “Miss Bitch” or “Miss Perfect” or “Miss Sex Kitten” or whatever role we have chosen to convey for that evening, week, month, life time. It really feels like a sense of release when we can be “our selves”,

Men would do well to understand this about woman, and rather than him seeing it through his own perspective, he should instead see it through her eyes..

Just because your mates don’t want to open up and share their feelings with one and other, and just because you might see it as an act which could tarnish your reputation or image, doesn’t mean that woman share this view point.

Do not presume that the girl with “The bitch bravado” is a cold heartless and evil person. Do not presume that the “shy girl mask” is boring and has nothing shocking or interesting to offer. Do not presume that the girl with “Bimbo” image is empty and insincere. Like you guys we put on a mask and create a bravado, alter ego what ever you want to call it for a number of different reasons. If you can get past that mask, you will not embarrass her or make feel uncomfortable like how most men would feel. Instead you will make her feel relaxed and the respect she has for you will increase dramatically. Far more than the guys who get caught up on just the surface level.

In the next part I will share with you the step-by-step process that I teach my students in order for them to obtain a deep and lasting connection with a woman, with out you having to alter the macho / alpha strong image that you might have worked on for so long perfecting.

In Impact Makes Connection Part 2, I will be explaining how you can begin making a deep connection with impact.

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Check Your Ego At The Door

Editor — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:41:04 +0000

Let’s talk a little about relationships today…

Anyone who has read me knows that there is something I say over and over again (because it is so important!): To be able to truly love yourself and to truly be able to love someone else, you must drop the ego. This is absolutely essential to finding an amazing relationship, but it’s equally critical to maintaining and continually improving a relationship once you’re already in it.

Nothing will kill a relationship (even the best of relationships) more quickly than ego. Here are 6 ways your ego can kill your relationship, and how to avoid having your ego ruin your relationship.

1.Resist The Temptation To Defend Yourself: Think about the number of times you’ve fought with a significant other, and whenever things get a little heated you start to defend yourself. All you hear is you being attacked, and you immediately go into “defending yourself” mode. Do you know that when you defend yourself in a fight, what’s really happening is your ego is defending itself.

It also means that you’ve stopped listening to the other person. If someone tells you that they don’t like the way you’ve been acting lately, why not hear them out instead of defending yourself? It will almost always create a MUCH better outcome.

2.To Love Yourself And Someone Else Completely You Must Separate The Ego: In order to truly love someone, you must separate your ego from yourself. This is also true if you want to be able to totally love yourself. Now, I know that in a perfect world, we would never be ego-driven. This is not a perfect world of course, so let’s get real. We are all ego-driven to some extent or another, so let’s acknowledge it and embrace that we need to separate the ego to cultivate and maintain a truly amazing relationship with someone.

3.Your Ego Can Ruin Any Conversation: The truth is that no matter how much you prepare, plan and hope for a good conversation with your significant other, your ego is the one thing that will consistently ruin any conversation you’re about to have if you let it.

Let’s say your significant other is frustrated with you in one way or another and really needs to express something about that to you. How do you respond? If you let your ego get involved and you defend yourself, it means that you’re not listening to them.

In order to really listen to somebody, it’s uncomfortable. Sometimes your significant other has things that are really bothering them about which they want to talk to you, but which you would rather not hear. To maintain a great relationship, however, you can’t let your ego keep you from really listening.

4.You Have To Be Willing To Drop The Ego And Learn To Have A Healthy Relationship: If you want to really be able to get deep with someone and take your relationship to a deep level, then you need to be able to take your ego out of the equation. You will always attract somebody who is just like yourself, because you really attract who you are as a person. Also, your significant other is going to do things that you don’t recognize. It may be voices, patterns, communication styles or other things with which you aren’t familiar.

You need to be open and able to learn these things about your significant other, and your ego will keep you from doing this every time. All of us need to learn things about our significant other every single day. We need to learn our significant other’s communication style, because many times your communication styles will be very different.

5.Dropping The Ego Doesn’t Mean You Need To Change Who You Are: It can take a lot for you to drop the ego, really listen to your significant other and realize that they need you say something in a different way or understand how the way you communicate may make them feel a certain way. A lot of people misunderstand these kind of requests as being their significant other’s attempt to change them. It’s not.

They’re not trying to change you, they are trying to improve the way you communicate with each other. They are trying to get the two of you to be able to communicate better than you ever have in the past. Don’t let your ego get in the way. Embrace this!

6. Ego Causes Those “Low Blowers” Which Are The Biggest Relationship Killers: Do you get frustrated when you’re having an argument with a significant other? Of course, we all do. When that happens, though, sometimes the ego will cause you to hurl what I call “low blowers” at the other person.

You’re feeling hurt, so you lash out and say something you know will make the other person hurt too. It was not only hurtful, but inevitably something stupid. By listening to your significant other, instead of lashing out from your ego, you can get through an argument without these low blows and they will be much more constructive (and not destructive to your relationship).

So the next time you see your ego getting involved in your relationship, get rid of it! If you find yourself defending yourself or not allowing you to really listen, then you need to take a step back. Listen carefully to what’s really being said, and use it to create the most amazing relationship.

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Does It Ever Fizzle Out After A Great Pickup?

Editor — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:19:11 +0000

I’m Nick Savoy, and I run Love Systems (formerly Mystery Method Corp) and if you feel a solid “pickup” slipping away, keep these three rules handy.

SECRET #1: Bait, don’t chase

When a woman seems to be slipping away, most guys (at least most guys who don’t know Love Systems) will chase her harder. She didn’t answer the last text? Call her! Phone calls are short? Ask her out!

It’s logical, but counter-productive.

You want her to invest her time and emotional energy in you. But once you’ve asked her a couple of times, continuing to push the same offer on her will make her want it (and you) LESS.

It’s the same with any kind of investment. Let’s say your friend Joe wants you to invest in his new business. You keep dodging the question but Joe keeps asking or hinting at it. The more he does this, the more SURE you are that you don’t want to invest. And after a while, you stop answering Joe’s calls because you smell his agenda a mile away.

A BETTER WAY

What if Joe recognized that you didn’t want to invest. Instead of pressuring you, he backed off, talked about other things, and only casually once in a while referred to his business but without asking you for anything. It sounds like it’s doing well, and one day he invites you to drop by and visit.

Well, you can do that can’t you? And if you liked what you saw, what’s going to happen next? You’ll probably ask HIM if he’s interested in more investors. Just like a beautiful woman will often start hinting at date opportunities and places to meet up when you’ve got some emotional momentum going.

The first key is to LOWER THE INVESTMENT LEVEL YOU ARE ASKING OF HER. There are many ways to do this, depending on the situation, but here are some of the big ones:

Texts instead of phone calls
Light, fun conversation instead of serious topics
Conversation for the sake of it alone instead of making plans
Shorter rather than longer phone calls (and text messages)
In summary – take a step back, make sure she’s with you, and then start going forward and building momentum again… together.

SECRET #2: Be in the moment

Tell me if this story sounds familiar. You met a woman you’re interested in. She is all over you, insists you take her number, promises to make you dinner this weekend and implies that she might be the desert…

… but it’s not that same girl when (if?) you get her on the phone. She’s actually busy this weekend and doesn’t suggest another date.

Well, that’s not fair, is it?

Darn right it isn’t. Before I learned Love Systems and changed my life around, this used to get me so frustrated. Sometimes I’d even call the girl and ask what the heck happened. (There’s no point doing that either.)

To explain what’s going on and what to do, I’m going to take you on a little detour.

I love playing board games. It’s a very nerdy hobby – I’m not talking about games people know, like Trivial Pursuit or Monopoly. I’m talking about games no one has heard of – detailed games re-fighting ancient wars, and so on.

(Obviously, this isn’t something most women can relate to. But, it’s my hobby and I’m passionate about it. Since women are attracted by emotion, not logic (you should know this), the average swimsuit model will genuinely prefer to hear me passionately talk about board games and why I love them more than Mr. Generic boring her droning on about his cars and money. Like Love Systems expert Mr. M wrote recently that she feels what you feel. I’ll take passionate over bored any day.)

Anyway… there’s one game I used to play a lot called Diplomacy. It’s a game of negotiation, betrayal, and intrigue, with a bit of military strategy thrown in. I used to be fairly good, but not great. At tournaments, I’d often get to the “final table” (the top seven players, since it’s a seven-player game) and just as often be one of the first players eliminated.

Almost ten years ago, at the World Boardgaming Championships (yes, it does exist), I deliberately got a previous year’s champion drunk so he’d tell me my flaw. See, one of the lessons I learned in school from a Goldman Sachs guest lecturer was “Alcohol Works.” I stick with good advice wherever I find it.

My flaw? Not strategy. Not tactics. Not negotiation.

Optimistic self-delusion.

He told me he could pull the wool over my eyes by figuring out what it was that I wanted to believe, and then use that against me while he prepared to stab me in the back. If I was playing France and I really wanted to believe that my English ally wasn’t about to attack me, then I’d believe just about any explanation the English player would give me… Before he stuck the knife in.

“Play the board as it is, not how you want it to be.”

Board games are silly, but the lesson isn’t. It’s funny how many times I’ve repeated that exact phrase without anyone asking where or what this “board” was about. But the meaning is clear, and very applicable to Love Systems.

The woman you want was all over you last night? That was last turn. Board’s changed.

A woman is in your neighborhood and wants to come over tonight after being standoffish for weeks? Board’s changed. Tomorrow she might not want to. You’ll get nowhere by saying “but last night you wanted to,” at least no further than I’d get in a Diplomacy game saying “but last turn you didn’t have an army next to Paris.”

SECRET #3: Know Your Moves

The great thing about Love Systems being “bottom up” – we start by figuring out what works and only THEN put theories and structure on top of it – is that literally every part of attracting beautiful women can be made easier.

So, even with something as specific as how to get a girl who has drifted way back in the orbit, there’s a body of Love Systems knowledge. There are even a bunch of specific texts and things to say on the phone in the Phone and Text Game chapter of the Love Systems Routines Manual.

But I’ll give you a classic one, right now, with my compliments:

“I just met your twin.”

This works whether you haven’t talked in months or whether you just want to spark some energy. It doesn’t require major investment on her part. It implies that you are meeting other women and if some of them are similar to her and responding to you, maybe she should make her move now before you get away.

This is something impossible to say directly and difficult to convey… which makes this such a powerful text.

It’s a strange phenomenon, but women are more interested in you if they know that other women are interested in you too. We call this “Pre-selection” and it is one of the eight basic ways to attract beautiful women. This was first explained in my book, Magic Bullets (Magic Bullets Review), and then discussed in our Interview Series volumes Introduction to Attraction (Savoy and The Don), Identity (Tenmagnet, Sinn, and Future), and Female Psychology (Savoy and Soul).

Whether you already have a set of go-to moves that work all the time for you or whether you are using the phone and text game routines from Volume 2 of the Love Systems Routines Manual (Routines Manual Review), make sure you track your results!

The ideas and strategies that work – those are your moves. That’s how you’ll learn.

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Savoy PUA In Depth Field Report

Editor — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:40:29 +0000

Nick Savoy from Love Systems emailed me his BRILLIANT breakdown of a pick up for your study and enjoyment. Get as much out of this as you can! Gold.

Women have different rules for men who “get it” – men who have women in their life – than they do for men who don’t.

In other words, men who understand women get to play by a different set of rules. My friend TD called this the “secret society” — but it’s not a secret if you know what to look for. Men in this club don’t take any one conversation with an individual woman too seriously, don’t put women on a pedestal and hold them to expectations of nun-like purity, and aren’t judgmental to women who enjoy their sexuality. Women will let such men get away with things they’d never find acceptable in other guys – or in the same guy before he “got it”.

I’ll explain with an example – one that also lends itself to tangents about picking up 9s and 10s, and threesomes. So, hold on tight.

A few years ago, a friend introduced me to “Karen”, then one of the top up-and-coming fashion designers in Los Angeles. At the time, I was only just starting to piece together the secrets of meeting an dating beautiful women – the techniques that I later revealed in my book Magic Bullets and now form the basis for Love Systems’ teaching worldwide. But, with some difficulty, I was able to date and then seduce her. She might even have been my first “10”.

During this time, Karen’s behavior was pretty typical of a young beautiful woman dating an average guy. She resisted my advances at first and made me work. She didn’t sleep with me right away. She didn’t seem especially sexual (without being a prude). She claimed to have no interest in threesomes and told me she’d only been with six men in her life. She was… “normal”. I did finally close the deal on the third date and we dated for a while after that, but because we both traveled all the time, we never got to see each other and ended up as casual friends.

(Which actually worked out great, because hot fashion designers have hot friends and hot models they work with. Using a precursor to the literally game-changing techniques designed by Mr. M and Braddock in their Social Circle Mastery program, I worked my way into a great position in her social circle and have hooked up with a few of her friends – we’ll get to why this is important in a moment)

Fast forward to last weekend. I was teaching an advanced invitation-only bootcamp at the Playboy Mansion. The main event was this big fashion show, and a student and I interrupted our debrief to watch. We saw the most unreal girl walk the runway – the 2nd most beautiful woman I’ve ever met in Los Angeles. Tall, perfect body, beautiful face, perfect skin (I’m a sucker for perfect skin) and that long soft straight blonde hair I love so much. And a walk that conveyed complete confidence and intense sexuality. She was not only a 10, she defined 10s. We’ll call her Lara.

One of the guys wanted me to pick her up. I wanted me to pick her up. I could feel the whole Love Systems community wanting me to pick her up. OK, maybe that’s going too far. Let’s just say that the vodka from the Playboy Mansion open bar also wanted me to pick her up. But I did relish the challenge – captivating the obvious star runway model in the center of the Playboy Mansion grounds surrounded by cameras and…because there’s no other way to put it…hordes of horny dudes. Those guys did NOT want me to pick her up.

The mechanics of the pickup actually weren’t all that different from any of the countless pickups that happen every night around the world using the Magic Bullets model. Since most readers are already familiar with these I won’t waste time on the easy stuff; I’ll just hit some of the twists and turns.

First off, I don’t like to approach the “star of the show” head-on. An actress signing autographs, a model getting photographed, a singer coming off-stage, these women are already surrounded with men sucking up to them.

This is why when I occasionally do private programs on how to pick up and date a porn star, guys are usually surprised when I tell them to stay AWAY from official events, autographing signings, etc. There are MUCH better places to meet them, where the balance of power is a bit more in your favor.

But at the Mansion, there wasn’t going to be a second chance. So the next best course was to “rebound” into a conversation with her. I started talking to two guys who among the many surrounding her. And then when the moment was right (she just finished a conversation), I pivoted to her as if I’d been arguing with these two guys about something, and jumped straight into a shortened version of LBD’s text message breakup opinion opener from the Love Systems Routines Manual.

Yes, the humble opinion opener – which I still use.

(It’s funny – I sometimes get emails from people who ask me for the “secret” routines that I use. When we want a routine, we go the same places everyone else does – the Love Systems Routines Manual).

If you’ve read Magic Bullets, you know what came next. I know I wouldn’t have much time, and had to race to at least get to the Comfort phase of the 6-step Emotional Progression Model. This meant getting quickly through the Transition, Attraction, and Qualification. It wasn’t easy, because guys were interrupting us every 2.4 seconds and when she started leaning in to me to show she was attracted, one of her girlfriends came over to “rescue” her. Meanwhile, one of her manager people was trying to move her to somewhere else she supposedly needed to be.

Taking her home was going to mean work, if it was even possible, and I had workshop guys to get back to. So I got her phone number, arranged to have a drink with her the next night, and left.

Here’s where the lessons come in. A guy who didn’t “get it” – who took every women seriously when he first met her, who didn’t understand how female psychology and sexual decision-making worked would have taken her on a traditional date, hoping to get somewhere by the end of the night. No problem with dates – I use them when I don’t have a better option – but I knew I only had one shot with her (they’d only brought her in from New York for the show) and wanted to seal the deal in the one night I knew we’d have together.

I invited a bunch of my friends (ah, the joy of mass text messages) to a bustling outdoor bar/café that would have great social energy, drinks, and food. (i.e., no excuses to have to go somewhere else). I invited mostly girls, but also brought one of the students from the private advanced bootcamp along so he could see how things should look.

One of the girls who showed up was Karen, who I hadn’t seen in six months. I must have texted her 10 times in the past six months with no response. A guy who doesn’t have girls might have gotten frustrated or deleted her number. To me, it didn’t matter. I still thought she was cool, even if she was busy or not answering, and it doesn’t cost me anything to keep inviting her. So when she showed up, there was no “edge” – no under the surface wondering why she hadn’t been responding before. I was just happy to have her as part of my night and enjoy the moment without worrying about the past or the future. That’s what guys who have women do.

Lara was still the woman I was interested in. Karen and I had hooked up enough times before, I could take it or leave it. Whenever I am in a group situation with my friends and a woman I am interested in, I follow the same pattern (WRITE THIS DOWN)

• Put the girl you’re interested in beside you

• All the touching goes to her (ideally under the table)

• All the conversation goes to everyone else

Lara was resisting my under the table touching at first. When did she start reciprocating? About five minutes after she realized that I’d hooked up with both of the other women at the table. Don’t confuse this with Pre-selection. Pre-selection is an attraction switch – one of the eight revealed in Magic Bullets – but I was well past Attraction at this point. No, what this conveyed was that I was a guy who had women in my life and that I “get it”.

I wasn’t jealous or controlling with the girls I’ve hooked up with. I just enjoyed their company, and them mine. Even though Karen and I were having boiling sexual tension, both of the other women looked on in approval as Lara and I started connecting physically.

After a while of that, I sealed the deal when I leaned in to whisper in her ear:

Me: What kind of women are you attracted to? [I’d already established that she has hooked up with women in the past]

Lara: [Lists some qualities]

Me: What do you think of Karen?

Lara: She’s beautiful…etc.

Me: Well, no promises, but I’ll see if I can convince her to join us when we go home later

I want to make this clear – up to this point we’d never kissed, never really talked about sex, and certainly never discussed going home and having sex that night. But when she passively accepted the frame that I set with the last line above, the question changed from “where is this going tonight?” to “will this be a regular hookup tonight or will it be a threesome”?

It’s similar – but far more effective – to when I used to joke around with women on dates about whether the night was going to end with us having sex once or twice. Either choice I win, and even said jokingly, as long as she doesn’t object, it helps establish the frame.

[This "joking" to introduce sexual themes is covered in more detail with more examples by superstars Braddock and Kisser in their interview on Sexualization]

It seems like a little thing, but it’s not. As I always emphasize when I teach, the dividing line between a woman sleeping with you or not sleeping with you can be exceedingly narrow. Lara was fully intending to have a drink with me, flirt, maybe kiss a bit, but leave it at that. This changed the game.

Once I’d told Lara that I’d try to get Karen home with us, I fortified that frame a couple of times with “no promises, but I’ll see what I can do”. And then of course I started shifting my attention to Karen. Who had seen Lara clearly into me and me responding, etc. After I had made out with her, Karen said the punchline that is the reason why I wrote this article in the first place:

“I love you because you’re such a whore”

I don’t know if it was just because I’d gone from heavy touching with Lara to making out with her – without embarrassment – or because I’d hooked up with her friends (and been discreet enough never to mention it to her…she found out from them, not me), or just because I was conveying that attitude, but it was interesting because Karen changed at that moment.

Gone was the woman who had been more or less typical with me up to that point. Now she was openly talking her sexual experiences, letting me touch her in public in ways that I had had to struggle to do in private before, etc., etc. It’s not that Karen changed. It’s that in her mind, I’d changed. I’d gone from a cool, fun, but normal guy in her mind to a guy that has women. Who “gets it”.

• Guys who have women in their life are safe. They won’t freak out when a woman doesn’t call back or has to cancel.

• Guys who have women in their life aren’t jealous or controlling,.

• Guy who have women in their life aren’t judgmental. They understand that women are complex and multi-dimensional and can’t simply be labeled virgins or whores.

Closing the deal from that point on was just basic logistical mechanics.

Look, I’m going to be straight with you here. You’re not going to be having threesomes with two 10s as soon as you read Magic Bullets and the Love Systems Routines Manual (though some of the sexualization routines in Volume 2 are pretty intense). You will need to practice, and it will take some time to integrate it all. A bootcamp is a giant-ass shortcut to getting good instantly, but you’re still going to have to practice some.

But what I will say is this: There’s nothing in this particular pickup that isn’t taught at a bootcamp. In fact, I’d even say that there’s nothing in this pickup that couldn’t have been pieced together from a combination of Magic Bullets, both Routines Manuals, and a couple of interview series volumes to cover any sticking points or advanced subjects on the way.

So if you’re sitting around wanting to get better with women – at least meet me halfway. Get a hold of the basic information you need to succeed. Like Magic Bullets or the Love Systems Routines Manual.

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Love Systems Vs Real Social Dynamics Bootcamp

Editor — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:43:49 +0000

Have you considered taking a boot camp? The major players are probably Love Systems, PUATraining and Real Social Dynamics. This comparative review was posted over at the Love Systems forum which may be very valuable for those considering taking one. This user post was in regards to Braddock’s bootcamp in Washington, April 2009.

My story:

About two years ago, late on a Friday night alone at home (which was a common theme for me) I was flipping through channels bored as hell. It just so happened, as I was scrolling through my channel guide, I saw a show called “The Pick-Up Artist” on VH1. Too lazy to hop on the computer for porn, I guess I was hoping there would be some hot chick I’d spank it to. By now, I’m sure everyone in the community has heard of the show that blew the secret off the “secret” society. Well I didn’t end up jerking off to it (was scared jerking off to the cross dressing Mystery would make me gay), but it fucking flipped my world inside out and upside down. After watching the show, of course, like every other AFC that saw the show, I had to try this shit out.

The following week, I end up going out to a club in Baltimore with some of my nerd friends (I love em, but damn they can be lame). So I pick a line off the show (dental floss) and was going to bust it out and fucking close a chick for the first time in god knows how long. By the way, I didn’t tell any of my friends about the show and was just going to impress them with all the hot chicks I landed. So heading into the club with rap music fucking blaring through the speakers, packed with people shoulder to shoulder, strobe lights going on and off all over the place, the place is loaded with women. After about 30 minutes of staring at different women, I pick the girl (an 8). She’s the blonde standing over by the bar in a hot little black dress with red heels looking like she ready for me to come over there grab her, take her into the bathroom and give her the fucking she was waiting for. At that very moment, my heart starts beating out of my chest, I start sweating like I’m a fucking 400lb guy walking up 10 flights of stairs, and I become very aware of beer my friend spilled on me 10 minutes earlier that makes me look like I pissed myself . So I walk up next to her, about to say the line, and she looks over at me and I freeze (like a sweaty deer in headlights). We make eye contact for about 3 seconds and I turn to the bartender, order my normal jack and coke, and walk a way like the chode I was. And stand against the wall with the rest of my companions.

What the fuck just happened??? Needless to say, I don’t think that set went very well. So what did I need to do to improve, I knew the answer… Tivo the rest of the season of the Pick-Up Artist. That worked about as well as me a Turtle getting laid without Vince Chase.

Over the next few months, I spend hours everyday researching shit online, reading the Game by Style, and numerous books that are listed on forums and in the book. But I never get over approach anxiety and could never find the right words to say. Once in a blue moon, under the right circumstances (not too loud, the right song, an “approachable” set, with a perfect canned line for the situation) I open a set, but cannot nail any sort of real hook.

What is going on, what can I do to get over this shit and get that grade “A” pussy I’m looking for (you know the kind that taste like ice cream, not the shitty off brand stuff, but the Häagen-Dazs of pussy).

I finally decide to put some really value behind all of the teachings I had learned, I need in the field experience. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE YOUR GAME. And for me to actually do that, I need some pushing me to open. In February of 08, I signed up for the San Francisco boot camp with RSD. This is going to the life altering training I need to break out of my chodeness, and release the inner alpha male.

Real Social Dynamics:

We are to meet at 7pm in a hotel lobby. I end up realizing who the other 2 students are, just by them having the same blank and nervous stare I had. My thoughts are racing and I’m scared shitless, but hey, 3 students to 1 instructor! This was going to be an awesome ratio, so much personal attention. The instructor shows up 7:25 (I was stressed, I was staring at my phone every 30 seconds, the only confidence I had to keep me in check was knowing I was in the right hotel cause the other two students were there.)

Finally, the PUA shows up, we begin to have our pick-up information given to us in the busy hotel lobby. He tells us to throw away everything we had learned as it was all shit. Canned lines never work; you have to become a natural now to be success with women, due to the book and the show fucking up the canned approaches. That totally makes sense, I get that. So what do I do? Be unreactive, assert dominance, give value, have core confidence. Ok great, how do I do that? The answer I received was defining what they were not demonstrating or giving examples so I couldn’t apply it to any actions or words. But fuck it, I’m going to try and do whatever I think it means. He’s the PUA, he gets paid for this, he knows what he talking about, right?

So before we head out, we get the rules. One of the first rules was that we could not ask the instructor to open a set. And which we never got to seem him do. He used having a girlfriend as an excuse. Another was “No game talk in the field” With that out of the way, we head to a nice upscale lounge and the night begins. He tells me to walk up to every set I see. I go, and immediately get blown out of the first set I approached, I return and ask what I did wrong and he replies “No game talk” and pushes towards another set. After 4 more blow outs, the night just began to grow dimmer and dimmer for me. Eventually, it just felt like my instructor gave up on me, when I said “I have no fucking idea what to say”. His response was, “it doesn’t matter”. My problem with that answer was, if I could successfully talk to women, would I have this dreaded approach anxiety? The night ends, all three of us with an unsuccessful night.

We meet up in the afternoon the next day. And after spending 2 hours waiting on the third student (apparently the instructor didn’t have his number) we realize he jumped ship. 2-1 ratio now. By this point, regardless of the ratio, I was not feeling very confident. Game talk begins again. This time, he goes over a few more cores of pick-up, of course, neither of us had been successful with the previous night so it was about logical as yelling at a dog for burning the toast your grandmother cooked in the oven a week ago.

After we broke to rest and prepare for the night, I said to myself, “Do whatever it takes to open.” So I pump myself up in my hotel, get to the bar, and my good friend, “AA”, hits me again. The first night, I didn’t drink because I wanted to focus on my game. Not tonight…I start off by pounding 3 shots, by the end of the night, and about $100 worth of drinks later, I had open tons of sets. I have no idea if they were successful, what I said, what I did, or where I lost my phone, but I opened sets. So I figured out what I needed to do to open sets, just get plastered and make a complete drunken ass out of myself.

The next day, hung-over and without a phone, we meet and spend 4 hours in a restaurant talking about day-2’s and phone game. This had an actual structure and was what I was looking for the entire boot camp. Unfortunately, I still couldn’t open successfully, which is needed to a date or get a number.

Once I finally went home, which is in Baltimore (yes, I flew from MD to San Fran for the boot camp) I just decided, pick up is not for me and I will just have to look for “4” to settle for. (Which sucks cause I can hardly get my dick hard for a 4) For the next year, I just dropped everything from the game and went back to my lonely life scrolling the TV for hot chicks on Friday nights, too lazy to walk over to my PC to find something to spank it to.

Love Systems:

A year passes…

Of course, when I was heavy into the forums, I signed up for every mailing list possible on pick-up (I receive like 5 a day from different sites, like I’m sure most of you reading this do). I never look at them but something caught my eye, a boot camp coming to DC. Took a look at it, and just out of curiosity replied to get a few more details about it. Well, I got a call from one of the sales guys and decided, fuck it; I’ll give it a try.

This time, I was not expecting my life to be altered; in fact, I expected it to be a load of bullshit. The sales guy was saying it was going to be led by a guy named Braddock, according to the sales guy, “Probably the best PUA out right now” which I also assumed to be a load of shit and was just trying to sell me.

I head to the conference room (a little bit early) where the class portion will be, yes, there are actually three full classes of teaching pick-up. This is what I was looking for a year ago. So I became a little excited, but then I walk into the room where 18 chairs are set up, I’m the first person in the room. Oh shit, one instructor for 18 people, this is going to be hell, well it ends up only 8 students, but 2 instructors and 2 assistants. I liked the break down quite a bit.

The first day, Braddock and Big Business break down opening and transitioning, and throw in a few extra pointers to help us. It was a 5 hour class, with loads of good information. It seemed a little overwhelming, but it was the same information I had actually wished for and was seeking in the RSD boot camp. Braddock gave us some openers and routines, but said not to rely on them (salt & pepper). Before we broke, we were given our mission for the night, focus on opening and transitioning, don’t worry about getting blown out, and hit a lot of sets: don’t get stuck. It was magic…an objective that didn’t rely on outcome and focused on process.

That night everyone of us blew it up. I got blown out of the first few sets, but the instructors pointed out what I did wrong (body language, tonality, smiling). The openers they gave me provided me with enough confidence to approach. If I ever felt like I wasn’t sure what to do next, Calabrese just pointed at a set and said go. By the end of the night, I wasn’t even using canned openers because it just turned into a night of having fun. I approached at least 25 sets that night and hooked quite a few.

The next day Braddock, Big Biz, Calabrese, and Feet Sauce broke down our success and areas of opportunity. The layer process of learning continued, next we focused on disqualification, attraction, and kino. And at the end of class, another mission: play specific games we were taught, get numbers and closes.

Another successful night in the record book for me on night 2. Day three, another evaluation of the previous night and onto qualification, comfort, and the “birds and the bees” (a little differently than my dad taught me, but I would have fucking loved this version from him.)

By the end of the class, my outlook on pick up has done another 180 degrees and I respect it now and actually am not afraid to open sets. Yes, I still have work to do, but I actually am able to begin that work after I moved off of my sticking point. And I know what to do if I hit another sticking point.

Break Down:

RSD was about half the price of Love Systems. It seemed like a great idea at the time, because it was cheaper, but I ended up losing a year’s worth of pussy by taking the cheap way.

RSD has an extreme approach to the “natural” which can be great, but if you struggle with finding what to say it is not the way to go.

Love Systems broke information down and explained why stuff worked, how it worked, demonstrated it to us, and gave us feedback on what we were doing. There is a real process of learning involved.

If you do not have the money for a Love Systems class, and struggle with Approach Anxiety, do not bother taking any other course. Just save money until you can afford it.

By having more than 1 instructor, Love Systems could keep the class on course and could follow multiple students so one did not end up getting lost.

The energy of the instructors will keep any student going, motivated, and confident.

The best investment in myself I have ever made.

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AFC Adam Lyons Interview

Editor — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:22:52 +0000

DONOVAN: What made you decide to become a dating coach?

AFC Adam: Honestly I didn’t plan it. I always just wanted to learn how to improve myself. I met a guy in the UK who was willing to teach me in return for me helping him drum up some PR for his business. Once the articles started coming in he wasn’t too keen on the publicity. So he asked me if I wouldn’t mind being the face of the company. I agreed and began doing demos for the papers and TV shows. Sure enough I ended up closing on camera time and time again. The more I did it the more people wanted to learn from me. I really didn’t want to be a teacher at the time so I tried to deter students from working with me. I added the AFC at the start of my name in the hope that they would all shy away from learning form me, hoping they would think I was a beginner. This worked for as time, perhaps 4- 6 months. But once I was on the Rules of Seduction in the UK Things really just went crazy.

DONOVAN: When did people first start to know you outside of the UK?

AFC Adam: It was the PUA Summit in 2007. I really wasn’t going to go, I was a last minute speaker and was convinced to go along by my friends Tung and Crazy Serb from Canada. Both of them are great guys who just kept pushing me to go, so in the end I went along. I wasn’t really expecting anything to come from it, but once I was there I realised that a lot of the people there weren’t actually getting as many results as the guys in the UK Lairs, so my talk went down really well. Then out of nowhere Thundercat put me on his top 10 list and things escalated from there.

DONOVAN: The next question, can you tell us your favorite success story from one of your clients?

AFC Adam: Actually it was only a few weeks ago. We were running a special 1 week long bootcamp. Called Project Spring break, yes original I know. hahah. Actually It’s something me and Amanda have wanted to do for a long time. To give people not only a chance to get good at game but to also experience spring break in all it’s craziness. So many people who join the community don’t get a decent spring break in their college years so this was a chance for them to re -experience it in a BIG WAY. This one student that come along was completely inexperienced, had never approached before in his life and had massive AA. He manged to pull off two lays during the course and on both occasions convinced the girl to let him back to her room to close. Even now thinking about it makes me smile. The guy just pulled out all the stops and smashed it from zero to hero in 1 week!

DONOVAN: That’s awesome. What do you think is the main reason people take so long to get good?

AFC Adam: Honestly I believe it’s because they spend too much time on forums, reading and downloading content. Whereas if they actually got out there in field and actually SPOKE to girls they would find their results sky rocket. I calculated the other day I must have done 3000 sets in my first 3 months of training at the game before I was getting consistent results. Most people do this many sets over 3 years which explains why it takes so long to improve.

DONOVAN: Yeah. I think a lot of guys do find many excuses to avoid going out there in person and actually approach, what do you think is the best advice to someone who suffers from the fear of the approach to actually get them out there doing sets?

AFC Adam: Honestly I could sit here and provide a list of hypnosis and confidence cd’s but in reality the only way you’re going to get over the fear of approaching is to get out there and do it. There is an old psychological technique to help get over fear known as systematic desensitization. In summary this works by slowly exposing yourself to the situation in question. With regards to seduction this is easily done by starting out talking to girls you aren’t attracted to and purposely only staying in set for 10 seconds or so. Once you can do this without any anxiety it’s time to push further, either in terms of quality or length of time. Slowly but surely if you keep pushing you will find yourself getting to the point where you can talk to any girls no matter how beautiful they are.

DONOVAN: That’s some solid advice. In your experience, what’s the best place and/or location to try and pick up a girl?

AFC Adam: Hmm Honestly one of my favourite places is outside a modelling office. Back when I was gaming 24/7 I would either find the location of a modelling agency or a model audition and then simply place myself in a nearby coffee shop waiting for the girls to arrive.

DONOVAN: One of the things you’re really well known for is your Entourage game and the ability to create and work your social circle to consist almost entirely of beautiful women. Could you tell us a bit about how this works?

AFC Adam: Man this is one of my favourite topics. I remember when I first got into the whole seduction scene and reading “the game” about how project hollywood got the whole deal wrong. The idea of living in a house full of guys just didn’t interest me. I was much more interested in the whole hugh hefner lifestyle. So I decided to plan out a way I could duplicate the same lifestyle. I began making friends with girls in the London Nightclub circuit and instead of trying to sleep with them I just befriended them. Instead of going out gaming with guys I would get these girls to help me out. The social proof and pre-selection they gave me was off the chart. I would actually get opened by girls. After a while I ended up living a lifestyle where everywhere I went girls would come with me, and they were even competing to sleep with me, it was crazy.

Most people in the community feel they should sleep with every girl that they meet. But by trying to sleep with them all each situation becomes either a lay or a fail. IF it’s a fail they lose the girl from their life, and if it’s a lay they don’t tend to merge social circles. None of this is particularly condusive to building a social life especially not one filled with girls. Without having girls in your social circle you’ll never truly realise how powerful social proof can be or how easy it truly can be. It just doesn’t get easier than having the girls do all the work for you.

DONOVAN: Ok. Then to sum up, You’re traveling the states at the moment doing bootcamps, how is the tour going?

Yeah we’re currently traveling the states and it’s hectic. We’ve been doing bootcamps almost every single weekend and the results are amazing. We’ve had the chance to see some amazing places as well as meeting a lot of great people along the way. We’ve been teaching a lot of the newer material from social circle building and entourage game right through to day game and of course it’s all without routines so the guys never get caught out as being clones from the Pick Up Artist TV show which is something we’ve heard a lot of people are struggling with at the moment. We’re currently running at an almost 100% success rate for students in terms of getting number closes at least for a full 10 month streak and we’re pushing to keep that going!

DONOVAN: Well thanks so much for coming in to chat with me

AFC Adam: No probs man thank you very much for having me!

DONOVAN: Check out Adam’s US Tour dates at the bootcamp page.

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Life Is About Attitude

David Wygant — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:26:54 +0000

Think about football. Think about the quarterbacks who are successful. The ones that are successful have that attitude – “Fuck you. You picked my pass off? I don’t care. I’m coming back at you again in ten minutes anyway, and I’ll keep doing it.”

Brett Favre is notorious for that. Love him or hate him, he’ll throw so many games away that he plays. He’s 39, and look at his attitude. He’ll throw five interceptions in a game, and he’ll go fade back to pass and just do it again. He doesn’t care.

And all the fans are sitting there, saying, “Oh no! He’s doing it again…” but he just doesn’t care.

You are caring too much, so when you walk over you approach her with an expectation of rejection. You’re like that quarterback that’s fading back to pass and all you’re looking at are the defenders. You might as well just pick the one that you’re going to throw directly to right off the bat.

I don’t feel like I’m bothering anybody when I go over to someone to talk. And no one ever walks away from me.

But I used to feel that same way – that I was bothering someone when I approached them. You’re not bothering them at all.

But when you walk over to them with that concern, you’re bringing that energy with you. Women are feelers. Doesn’t that drive you crazy? They are always feeling and describing those feelings. “I feel this…”

You sit there and you just want to fix everything. “Okay, you’re feeling this way, and here’s the solution…”

So the fact is that women feel your energy. She feels every little bit of your energy as you walk over. She senses your fear.

Animals smell fear, and so do women! We’re basically all just animals, anyway. Think about the noises that people make when they fuck… we’re animals! Just because we’re standing upright doesn’t mean that we’re any better than Daphne. We may not smell each other’s asses, but we’re just like dogs.

So if you walk up to a woman with fear and the expectation of rejection, she’ll know it and you’re done. When you walk over like you don’t give a shit how she reacts, she’ll be responsive. She’ll wonder, who is this guy?

It’s a quantum switch inside your head. And once you make that switch, it’s like a paradigm shift. It’s an amazing shift in what you’ll begin to receive from other people. You’ll get what you want.

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Outcome Dependence

David Wygant — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:55:26 +0000

Men tend to be very outcome dependent. Many men approach women with one goal in mind: to get their phone number. Such men think if they approach a woman, they must get her phone number in order for that approach to have been successful. These men, in fact, will base their entire assessment of an encounter on whether a woman gives them her phone number. This type of mindset is what I’m referring to when I talk about outcome dependence.

As a man, the problem with having outcome dependence is that women are not wired to be outcome dependent like men tend to be. Women are about being connected emotionally. Men need to understand this, and learn to start judging their encounters with women by how well they were able to connect with each woman (rather than by whether they walked away with a phone number).

It’s time to declare your outcome independence! Here are ways to lose your outcome dependence and attract more women by connecting with them:

1. Stop Being A Predator: You can’t possibly meet every woman you see. Virtually every guy I’ve ever coached have asked me how they can meet women who are walking toward them on the street. Think about this though. You’re walking down the street. You see a woman you find attractive who is also walking down the street. You’re both in a hurry. You all of a sudden become very outcome dependent – you want to meet her right now and get her phone number right now. Let me try to put it into perspective: When you’re in a rush walking down the street, do you like to be bothered? You can’t bother every single woman as she walks down the street by stopping her to ask her for her phone number. You need to realize that you can’t have every single woman you see simply because you find them attractive, because women will not be attracted to you unless you know how to also connect with them. So stop being a predator who chases women, and start attracting them by engaging them in conversations.

2. Good Mechanics Don’t Ensure Success: Just because you walked over to a woman and opened her with some amazing words of wisdom does not mean that she will want to go out with you. When you speak with a woman you need to listen very carefully to what she has to say, because it takes more than a clever opener to really get a woman to be interested in you. You need to pay really close attention to everything a woman says so you can initiate conversation topics about what’s already in her mind. You need to be able to not only engage her in conversation, but also to be able to take the conversation deeper. So just because you arrived on the scene and delivered a perfect opener does not mean that you’re going to get the phone number. It takes a lot more than just showing up in life to get that phone number from a woman.

3. Stay In The Moment: One of the most important things to do to stop being outcome dependent is to make a significant mindset shift. What this means is that when you are talking to a woman, you need to stop focusing on getting women’s phone numbers and start focusing more on staying present in the moment. A lot of men will ask a woman for her phone number and to go out on a date with him mere seconds after they approach and start talking to her. That is the very embodiment of being outcome dependent. Remember once again that in order to get a woman’s phone number you must first connect with her emotionally and in a way that will make her want to give you her phone number. One thing you’ll need to do to connect with women is to be willing to share something about yourself.

Think about this from a woman’s perspective. You’re a complete stranger who has approached her and asked her out … all in fifteen seconds or less. She will first wonder why you are asking her out, but since you know nothing else about her she will assume that you are only asking her out because you are physically attracted to her. Plus since she knows nothing about you, she is unlikely to agree to give you her phone number. So if you want to connect with women when you meet them, you are going to have to spend some time being in the moment with them. Putting in this time also allows both of you to see if you even like each other. Plus, if you’ve been in the moment and connected with a woman when you meet her, if she does give you her phone number she will be excited to get your call (instead of feeling about you like she does about most telemarketers).

4. There Is No Call Back Guarantee: Just because you were able to get a woman’s phone number does not mean that she will call you back after you’ve called her. It is a simple fact of life that there are some women who will give out their phone number just because a man asks for it and regardless of whether she actually is interested in having him call her. There are other women who may genuinely be interested in you when they give you their phone number, but may decide later (due to changing their mind or meeting someone else) that they are not so interested in talking to you, and thus may not return your call when you call them. So to increase your odds of getting a call back, make sure you connect with a woman emotionally before you ask for her phone number. That will greatly increase the chances she will call you back. If a woman for whatever reason does not call you back, don’t take it personally. That happens to everyone. Just move on to meeting someone else. There’s always another woman to meet.

So are you a guy who believes that if you get a woman’s phone number that she is going to be your next girlfriend (or might even be “the one”)? Are you also a guy who believes that if that same woman doesn’t call you back that you must not have said the right thing when you approached her? If so, then you like so many men are very outcome dependent.

So many men perceive approaching a woman like a rite of passage which entitles them to favorable responses from the women they’ve approached. This is the outcome dependent mentality. It’s time to declare your outcome independence!

Understand that you may have to approach a lot of women before you find one who really relates to you. Also, the next time you walk up to a woman, don’t think about how badly you want to go out with her. Instead, get to know her first to see if you really do want to go out with her.

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DVD Clips From Paul Janka’s Seminar!

Editor — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:52:01 +0000

Paul Janka just forwarded me a link to his page with clips taken from his upcoming DVD called Beyond The Digits.

For those who don’t know Paul Janka, here he is on Dr Phil:

Click to play

Check em out and let other guys know what you think of Paul Janka’s:

1. Teaching style
2. Techniques he spoke about in the sample clip
3. Whether you’ve tried other techniques of Paul Janka’s and what they’ve helped you with.

I know many of you guys have bought his book and have a great deal of success (or not) using his techniques in certain areas of your dating life. Share with other guys in the form of a comment below, so they have a better idea of what Paul teaches.

Love to hear em.

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The Truth About Wayne Elise & Charisma Arts: The Sequel

Editor — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:58:06 +0000

(cue dramatic music)

First of all, to address some of the earlier comments made by other readers, please note that my actual first article begins after the heading and the introductory paragraph that were both written by Donovan, and the intended title of what I originally wrote is “Farewell to Juggler”. My motivation for writing that article was purely emotional: I wanted to examine the feelings I have toward my former co-worker, and express the one that truly matters: my respect to him. I wanted to do that because, having occupied most of my days for a long and transforming period of time, Charisma Arts played tremendously important role in my life. I needed a sort of sentimental purification ritual to be able to let Charisma Arts go, so that I can move on without carrying any unnecessary weight. Hence, “Farewell to Juggler”.

I agree with Jaht, who pointed out that I write mostly about myself. Unfortunately, we’re all human (well, most of us) and therefore our ability to be objective is limited by our individual perception. If I speak on any subject, including the subject so much larger-than-life as Wayne “Juggler” Elise (see the photograph illustrating my original post), I can only speak about it through the distorting lens of my subjective experience. That’s why, technically, what you are reading should be titled “Dimitri Vorontzov expressing his highly subjective opinion about Wayne Elise & Charisma Arts”. Read it at your own risk and filter it through your on experience.

I must say I’m amused that today, almost year into my solo instructorship, I still act as a Charisma Arts spokesman. Isn’t it astonishing how even now I can boost Charisma Arts’ sales with one accurately placed blog post? My very good friend (he is one of my best students, and a current Charisma Arts instructor) called me yesterday and made me notice the ingeniously funny step taken by Juggler’s company. Soon after my article appeared on Seduction Chronicles, some wise person from Charisma Arts management (I’m using “wise” in the sense of “silly”) dumped their shopping cart right on the home page of the company website! Hey, any publicity is good publicity! Then I guess someone even wiser (see above) realized it makes the company look a little desperate for making a buck, so the shopping cart on the front page was replaced with a blog article by one of the new instructors (funny though… I remember writing THAT VERY article well over two years ago. Just kidding. I wrote a different article entirely… but it had a lot of the same words).

Here, this will make it legit. Dear readers, if you’d like to visit Charisma Arts ultra-high-tech shopping cart and purchase Juggler’s best-selling ebook, please follow this link:

http://www.charismaarts.com/how-to-meet-and-connect/

Phew… Okay. I payed my dues to society.

Now, the promised Truth (= my subjective opinion, remember?)

You might find this boring. I wish I could electrify the readers by saying that Charisma Arts is just a cover-up for the extensive international drug trafficking operation run by Dominic “Wayne Elise” Pappalardo and his cynical henchmen, and that all the former “instructors” are currently sleeping with fishes after taking a cement bath – but that wouldn’t be accurate (they were shot in the head.)

Okay, jokes aside. The truth is (I think) that after Neil Strauss had published “The Game” in 2005, the book had generated sudden explosive increase of interest to the dating community. Juggler had contributed a short chapter to “The Game”, in which he poked friendly fun at Neil Strauss, kinda in the same way as I poke fun at Juggler now. With the book on the New York Times bestseller list, suddenly Juggler found himself attacked by more prospective students than he could possibly handle. There were people to teach, and not enough time to teach them. So Juggler raised the prices for his instruction, and hired a few guys to teach the bootcamps.

(What I’m saying is, the market grew very abruptly, and it sent Charisma Arts on the extensive path of business development, meaning that the company almost instantly expanded its sphere of influence and the number of employees, before the owner could actually determine the unique principles for operating his business. You can’t blame Juggler for allowing to let his business get out of hands for a while. When success hit him, the man was a street comedian, not a career banker, for goodness sake. No wonder that in the beginning of is business career Juggler had to grope his way in the fog (insert your on groping-related pun here).

I think Juggler is the kind of guy who easily becomes drawn to people and who is fast to form friendships. So quite naturally when he had working positions to fill, he offered to some of his friends the opportunity to have a cool, fun and unusual job that involves travel, partying and helping other guys. It makes sense, doesn’t it?

The problem is, a good dating instructor is not easy to come by. There are some exceptions, but normally it takes months to train a beginner to get good at dating, and it takes much longer to train a guy how to teach that stuff. Some of the members of the first generation of Charisma Arts crew were great instructors. Others were just random guys who started working for Juggler simply because he liked them. This lead to the generally uneven quality of the overall curriculum. Speaking as one of Charisma Arts former clients: a Charisma Arts weekend bootcamp I took a few years ago SUCKED, big time. I’d like to emphasize that it was NOT taught by Juggler, and that later most of the bootcamps I had the chance to witness were high-class. I certainly hope that the situation has further improved these days.

Another problem is, this is a tough job. Even very talented guys, if they are mainly attracted to the exciting sides of the dating instructor profession, such as travel, partying, meeting interesting people and (let’s face it) getting plenty of action, to say nothing of (let’s face it some more) getting paid big bucks – such instructors are bound to burn out very quickly. So they quit.

Some people don’t burn out, though. Who? Just those guys who develop actual keen concern about their students’ happiness. I don’t want to make it sound pompous (there are too many guys in the community already whose writing sounds like they’re curing cancer or ending the world hunger, or at least running for President, whereas, to boil it down to the basics, what we all actually do is teach horny guys how to get laid) – but frankly, it does take a certain serious degree of genuine care for others to be a dating instructor. The instructors who have that quality, have staying power. Others don’t.

Third problem: I already said that I think Juggler is a man who forms strong friendships quickly. I also think he might be quick to cut off a friend when he suspects disloyalty. Perhaps too quick, but that’s just my opinion. I think Juggler’s personal code of ethics is so extremely high that he expects a lot from other people, so naturally most humans end up disappointing him… and you know how it is among us, professional alpha males: “I find it hard to forgive the follies and vices of others, or their offenses against me. My good opinion, once lost, is lost forever”, and so on (that was a quote from Mr. Darcy, the hero of “Pride and Prejudice”… highly recommended!) I suppose this should explain why, to the best of my knowledge, most of the sacked former Charisma Arts instructors only found out about their expulsion when they arrived to teach a scheduled bootcamp and met a replacement instructor who would refuse to speak to them (I’m almost not exaggerating). I think the “Now Firing!” business policy and the boycott of all the formerly praised instructors were the only two things in my experience of Charisma Arts that hinted on the unusual (possibly alien) form of intelligence behind its facade.

We shouldn’t forget that any moderately developed dating instruction service has two major aspects: teaching methodology and business. The two are interconnected, and they tend to transform overtime. I believe that the last phase of Charisma Arts development required Wayne Elise to intensify his business. This meant to make the “Juggler Method” brand easier to recognize. That’s why from the certain moment the company needed only people who would teach dating exactly the way Juggler wanted them to teach, without any deviation from the “general line”. So all the Trotskyists were purged and all heretics burned, and that’s why these days anyone can see that Charisma Arts staff enjoys the unity of opinion that is quite rare in modern society outside of North Korea.

I think the current (I think I shouldn’t use the word “totalitarian” here) state of Juggler’s company is the typical “opposite extreme”, a recoil from a formerly way-too-liberal business model. I believe it must be a passing stage, and when Charisma Arts finds its center it has a chance to finally become a truly successful enterprise it deserves to be (provided they fire a few more people. Only joking.)

I can relate to Juggler’s titanic (no kidding!) efforts to make his company work, and I understand that trial and error is often the only way to learn the ropes. I am certain that Juggler means well. I think he is motivated by the genuine desire to serve his students to the best of his ability, and that’s what counts. Wisdom comes when we learn to judge people by their intentions, and not by the outcome of their actions. I find Wayne Elise extremely likable. He might not be perfect, but no one ever is (the only known exception: Neil Strauss). Again and again: I feel a lot of respect and gratitude to Wayne Elise for who he is.

Summary: Wayne Elise is a good guy and Charisma Arts is a good company.

Such is my subjective opinion on this matter. I did my best to express it truthfully.

Best,

Dimitri Vorontzov

P.S. I am a bit ashamed of my quip about how the letters in “Wayne Elise” may be rearranged to spell “a senile yew”. I take it back. In fact, these letters can only be rearranged to spell “Alien? We? Yes!”

Read Part 1: The Truth Behind Wayne Elise

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Sean Stephenson Interview

Editor — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:53:57 +0000

Tell me about where you’re from and how you got to be where you are now with “inner game.”

Where I’m from? Well physically speaking, Planet Earth; more specifically, Chicago, IL. Intellectually and emotionally, however, I’ve come from a kid born with a rare bone disorder that has confined my mobility to a wheelchair, stunted my growth to only three feet, and made my bones extremely brittle, fracturing over 200 times by age 18. I grew up often frustrated that people would stare at me, kids would point and laugh at my appearance, and I could NEVER blend in and be normal. As an adult though, my condition is seen as a blessing. “Peacocking” is not necessary because I am the freaking peacock. One look at me and I’m in your brain FOREVER; that comes in quite handy with women. I never have to do crazy things, die my hair, ink my body up, or trip and fall into a tackle box (get lots of piercings) to get attention. I just have to show up.

As far as my ‘Love Evolution,’ I was quite the late bloomer. I didn’t get my first kiss until I was 19. I didn’t have my first sexual experience until age 24 and my first REAL girlfriend until age 26. Women loved being my ‘friend’ and hanging out with me, but I never converted them into lovers and girlfriends until I got my inner game together. I used to blame my lack of success on my physical condition, “Women can’t be attracted to a little man in a wheelchair.”

That was my pathetic mantra from age 12 until age 24. I broke the cycle when I started studying what women really want in a man. When I discovered that my inner game (confidence and self-worth) is the ultimate determining factor in creating attraction, I took off. Within one year I acquired more intimacy than in my entire previous dating history. Now I’m dating some of the most attractive, talented, and loving women around. My transformation was so radical that I couldn’t keep it to myself; I had to share my insights and explorations with the world in my online Magazine: www.InnerGameMagazine.com. Guys struggling in their dating life often don’t realize that they need to get their mind/life together to create solid attraction.

Have you had any huge realizations about inner game that you’ve only had in the last year?

More than I can count. Every time I sit down with an IGM cover story guest, my mind is blown away with insights about the male and female mind. Here’s a few for you:

If you don’t find yourself attractive, you’ll give off the vibe that neither should the women you want. Spend a few minutes a day looking in the mirror looking for your attractive qualities: hair, eyes, smile, whatever! This isn’t some new age crap; I’m serious. Find yourself attractive and radiate that energy.

If you get involved in philanthropy and give back to the planet and humanity you accomplish three powerful things…
1. You meet hot women who are into more than themselves.

2. You develop your life into a more interesting experience, which is more attractive.

3. You feel better about yourself and life, which is more fulfilling than anything you could do or buy.

If you get into badass shape physically something magical takes place in your inner game: you develop discipline, you feel better emotionally (less foggy), you feel more powerful, and you look healthier (which is more attractive).

Is there one big key to focus on for self esteem and confidence that can help guys who are just starting out?

Read the book One Small Step Can Change Your Life.

I didn’t write it, nor do I even know the author. It’s a book that I recommend to all my clients before they come and see me. I find when you want to develop your confidence and self-esteem, you have to be reminded that Rome wasn’t built in a day. It takes some time for a new identity to take root in a man’s mind. Stay positive through the process, even if you fall on your face 100 times while getting your inner game together.

I still have days where fear and insecurity nibble on my mind; that’s no cause to resort to quitting or sulking that I’m not perfect. I would also tell you to surround yourself with resources and people that believe in you more than you believe in yourself. On those dark days when you trip and fall, they’ll be right there cheering you on to get back up, not kicking you for being the idiot that fell. You can’t grow a strong plant in compromised/toxic soil, and you can’t grow a healthy self-esteem and confidence in a place of negativity, cynicism, and doubt.

Flush away negative influences. It’s tough to do so; however, it’s imperative. Anything else I could teach you is pointless if your living, working, and socializing environments are not supportive.

Where do you meet most of the women you date?

Charity events, bookstores, coffee houses, personal growth seminars, and the gym. I use to meet women in clubs, bars, and restaurants;however, that often left me with disappointment. Reason being is those girls were either flakes, train wrecks, or had low expectations in life. I personally want a gal who has her life together and is capable of being self-sufficient and open to giving and receiving love fully. Don’t go after a girl at a club at 3:00am who is bombed out of her mind and then think she’s going to be extremely responsible and mature the next day. Where you meet someone is more telling than just the place you reference in a story of how you met.

Which people have you had personal dealings with that have helped your inner game? What did they teach you?

I have been mentored by dozens of the most amazing individuals; here are a few…

Byron Katie: An unquestioned mind is a mind in chaos. You can’t change people; you can only live your life as an example around them. You have to love ‘what is’ rather than mope about ‘what should be.’ If you fight with ‘what is’ you lose, but only 100% of the time.

Ask yourself on a regular basis when you have chaotic thoughts:

1. Is that true?

2. Can you absolutely know that’s true?

3. How does that thought make you feel?

4. Who would you be without that thought?

5. What is the opposite of that thought?

Tony Robbins: You have to live life with passion. You can’t play the game of life half-assed; if you do, you’ll get half-assed results. There are six human needs we all have to have met on some level:

1. You need Certainty: predictability of what will happen next.

2. You need Uncertainty: variety of new experiences.

3. You need Significance: attention from those around you.

4. You need Love/Connection: bonding with those you care about.

You can’t feel fulfilled without the last two:

5. You need Growth: expansion of your life.

6. You need Contribution: giving back to humanity/the planet.

Gary Chapman: Love is expressed like a language; if you don’t speak to someone in their language, it’s like you never spoke to them at all.

1. Some of us need words of affirmation, i.e. compliments and words of encouragement.

2. Some of us need physical touch, i.e. hug, pat on the back, or sessions of being held close.

3. Some of us need gifts, i.e. some physical/tangible item to show someone that we thought of them.

4. Some of us need quality time, i.e. sitting in the park just being together saying nothing.

5. Some of us need acts of service, i.e. cooking a meal, mowing their lawn, or fixing their car.

David DeAngelo: Attraction isn’t a choice. Once you spark attraction in a woman she will feel it on some level for you forever. The way you spark it best is by having an exciting life, being playful, and standing your ground when she starts testing you.

Deepak Chopra: We are all energy. If you are not attracting what you want into your life it is because you are not at the highest mental awareness (vibration). You must align your mind, body, and spirit if you want to start creating the life of your dreams.

No element of your life can be disconnected from your life. If you are sick, tired, broke, or hurting in any way, it will eventually surface in every area of your life.

Larry Winget: If your life sucks, it’s cause you suck. You are afraid to work hard and get bruised. The people who accomplish the most and get the most juice out of their life are the ones that take the most responsibility for their life and NEVER blame anyone or anything. PERIOD!

Don Miguel Ruiz: You must master the four most powerful agreements:

Agreement 1: Be impeccable with your word. Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

Agreement 2: Don’t take anything personally. Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

Agreement 3: Don’t make assumptions. Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

Agreement 4: Always do your best. Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

Even with your confidence now, what happens when self-doubt creeps in at a later time? How do you deal with that?

I zoom out and ask the questions:

“Is this life or death?”

“Will this even be important twenty years from now?”

“What good am I accomplishing by coming from fear?”

Then, if the fear/doubt is really strong, I employ the Cartesian logic:

1. What would happen if this did happen?

2. What would happen if this didn’t happen?

3. What wouldn’t happen if this did happen?

4. What wouldn’t happen if this didn’t happen?

Run that on your brain and you’ll come out the other end a pile of mush; Issue neutralized.

I also will go out and read from empowering books, review empowering journal entries of mine, or go a few minutes on my punching bag.

Doubt is a virus and it has no place in your mind; that’s why it hosts on you. You need to find it and get it out of there IMMEDIATELY.

You studied under Tony Robbins. What did you learn from him?
That I was capable of FAR more than I realized. He taught me if you make something “a MUST” you will pool every resource possible to make it happen… versus “a should,” which most people NEVER get around to doing.

I learned that the body and mind work together in every second to create our experience of reality, and we must listen closely to both.

I learned that people will judge you no matter what you do so you might as well be living life on your terms and be having a blast.

Has anything you learned from Tony Robbins proven incorrect or inapplicable as you’ve gone through life?

While I know he’s not perfect, his material has always checked out and worked for me and my clients. Tony has been nothing but a powerful resource in my life. Sure, I was sad the day I realized he wasn’t flawless. I was shocked that even the KING of personal growth had a temper, made bad decisions, and did things differently than I might have, but that’s all a part of being human. His human side doesn’t discredit his material.

What is the biggest inner game problem guys have within the community? What can they do to remedy it?

Thinking that their problem is external, i.e. that women are messed up, that they just don’t have the ‘right line,’ and that they aren’t good looking enough. It’s ALL BS!!!

The problem lies internally. They don’t feel like they have what it takes; they feel flawed and incapable of being lovable.

Everyone has a different remedy that is customized to where they are. Everyone in the community wants a blanket answer. Give me the five steps to getting laid – that’s a bunch of crap. If you get laid, sure you’ll feel good, for awhile…but then the “I’m not enough” dragon will surface again in a few hours, days, or weeks.

No amount of “closes” will make you feel complete and truly happy.

The guys in the community must realize that they must face their fears and do so in a healthy, safe, and professional manner. For some, that might mean hiring a skilled coach; for others it might mean reading 100 books; for some it might mean getting their finances in order, and for others it could mean getting in shape. Without a stable life, you are building a gaming toolbox that will eventually leave you skilled at seduction and empty in fulfillment….not to mention that you won’t land a loving woman who will be willing to face the good times and bad with you.

Do you have any field reports of you personally that you can relate to help the readers?

The term ‘field reports’ creeps the hell out of me. I think you mean, “do I have any successful events that might help a guy out.” Yes. I detail many of them in my free eBook Top 10 Inner Game Killers, which you can get by going to www.InnerGameMagazine.com

To give you one right now, I’d share this…

I’d been friends with this gorgeous girl for years. I thought I was stuck in the friend zone for years. Slowly but surely she saw my life transform as I got my inner game together. She saw my life become more and more exciting. She saw me get super busy and extremely mature and responsible.

Then one night we sat on a coach together watching a football game. We started holding hands, cuddling, and sending very warm energy to each other.

Something magically shifted; she was starting to fall for me. That sparked a several month relationship that was filled with sex, love, fun, caring, and lots of connection. While the relationship didn’t last forever, it taught me that when a man gets his life together, women take notice. There is no such thing as the friend zone if you create an attractive life and you are giving a woman unconditional love.

What is inner game magazine, what can guys expect?

There are two ways to subscribe to Inner Game Magazine. The Basic subscription is FREE and will give you a weekly article written by me or my editor and inside woman, Liz.

The Premium subscription will give you all of the benefits of the Basic, plus a monthly high quality audio interview where I sit down with some of the best experts in the field of inner game. Along with the interview you will get the Premium Pages, which are like Cliff Notes for each interview. All of this is only $15 a month and $1 for the first issue.

Why should guys be subscribed to it?

While you will no doubt get great information from reading the articles available in the Basic subscription, they won’t help you truly develop your inner game.

For that, you need a Premium subscription. Each month, I sit down with a male dating expert and find out the inner workings of his mind and his life. I don’t just shoot the breeze with him; my interviews all follow a system that allows you to model these men so that eventually your life will be as exciting and fulfilling as theirs are.

Women will not find a man attractive if she senses that he is flaky or does things halfway. A Premium subscription is the only way to truly commit to becoming the man who women want.

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Thundercat Interview About “Looks Don’t Matter” (yeah right!)

Editor — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:08:31 +0000

Donovan: G’day Thundercat, how are you?

Thundercat: Good, good – busy. Not only is my new course coming out this week, things are exploding on the blog. Between Tyler stepping down from Real Social Dynamics and Ross Jeffries being a devil worshiper, I don’t know what to focus on!

Donovan: Ha ha… sounds like Christmas came early for TC.

Thundercat: Nah. These guys aren’t going anywhere, they’ll be around forever. I just want to focus on more positive things.

Donovan: Like your upcoming course?

Thundercat: Helping guys out, yeah. That’s fun for me.

Donovan: So let me ask you this – over the pat few months, you’ve been releasing these videos showing you in potentially embarrassing situations. What’s the point of them?

Thundercat: Well, all my life, I’ve always been really insecure about my looks. Being overweight, bald, etc. doesn’t really help your self esteem. But I found a way to overcome that and get the type of success I always wanted.

So even though I now know that looks aren’t as important as I once believed them to be, there are still a LOT of guys out there who think because they don’t look like a male model, they can’t get the type of women they want.

The videos were all meant to show guys that if a fat, bald, ugly shlub like me can get hot chicks, then anyone can.

Donovan: But do you really believe looks don’t matter?

Thundercat: I believe appearance matters. The better you can make yourself look, the better off you are. But if you’re not tall, not skinny, not muscular, with a big nose or big ears and no hair on your head – what can you do about that?

Nothing. You’re stuck with the way you look.

So you have two options – either play the victim and dispair over the fact that you’re not genetically what you want to be, or work with what you got and get what you want anyway.

I used to play the victim. Even when I was going out 5 nights a week to the clubs, in the back of my mind, I didn’t believe I could succeed because I didn’t think I had the looks.

It wasn’t until I was able to overcome that limiting belief that I was able to have the kind of success I really wanted with women.

So yeah, I’ve come to believe physical looks don’t matter. But you still have to look as good as you can. Shower, groom, smell nice, dress nice, etc.

Donovan: I know what you mean. It seems like its easy to resent good looking guys, when in reality, they don’t have that many advantages over other guys.

Thundercat: To be honest with you, I used to really resent good looking guys. They never realize how their looks help them with women, and I resented the fact that it came easy for them.

But the fact is, good looking guys have just as much trouble with women as average guys do, because lots of them never bother to develop an interesting personality or sense of humor. And once a girl gets past your looks, what then? She’ll get bored and move on if there’s not more to you.

We’ve all been in situations where we’ve grown attracted to someone we weren’t attracted to at first. That’s the advantage of having a great personality – it gives us a chance to win the girl over to us!

Sure, if we’re not the girl’s physical type, we can’t just go up and get a 10 minute lay. But luckily, girls are wired a little different from guys, and how you can make a girl feel emotionally will usually outweigh her initial physical attraction.

Take me for instance… I have a LOT of women tell me I’m attractive. Just to give you an idea, I’m close to 300 pounds. I shave my head. I think I’m hideous. But these girls think I’m attractive! Why is that?

Its because when they’re around me, I make them feel good! They get turned on because I know what buttons to hit and how to hit them.

I use my personality to subtly create intense feelings of connection, fun, and intrigue.

Its counter-intuitive, I know. But it works (and thank god it does!).

Donovan: So what inspired you to make this Pure Personality course?

Thundercat: Well, it really came down to my friends. All my friends are better looking guys than me. Some are taller, all are thinner, and most have been blessed with a wonderful head of hair, lol.

So when we’d go out to the clubs together, they of course would get all the female attention, and I’d have to really fight and claw to get anywhere with a girl when they were around.

Tather than try to compete with my friends, I had to find a different tactic. One where I wasn’t trying to “out game” them or be at the mercy of their physical attractiveness.

So I came up with the Personality stuff.

By using my Personality, I was able to sit back, have a good time, help my friends meet girls, and relax. And when I did that, I started to get more attention than my better looking friends!

Focusing on personality really helped me level the playing field, because even though my friends were better looking, I was where the party was at, so the girls came to me.

That’s where the genisis of the course came from. I thought “Hey, if it can work for a shlub like me, it can work for others too!”

Looks, age, weight, skin color – whatever you think holds you back with women, if you go the right personality, you can overcome it.

Donovan: But everyone has a personality. How does Pure Personality help guys bring out their personality instead of just cloning yours?

Thundercat: Because I go into the process of getting people addicted to who YOU ARE. Not who I am. I don’t share any pre-canned routines in the course, rather, I give step by step instructions on how to tailor the techniques to your situation.

I give you the tools for how to be more funny, how to be more engaging, how to work a room, how to tell a good story, how to keep a conversation going, and many other things.

And then, I show you how to use elements of your personality and your beliefs, interests, and experiences, and apply them to those tools.

So what you get is a good approximation of “natural” game, witht he structure routines give you.

The best example of this is my Conversational Ninjitsu tactic.

This is a tactic you can use to keep any conversation going strong for as long as you want it. It is a 6 step system, but the outcome mimics a real conversation because you actually have to pay attention to what’s being said by the girl.

Everyone I share it with is really amazed.

So you won’t see a bunch of “Thundercat” clones running around out there with this course (heaven forbid). You’ll see guys being able to tailor it to suit their own needs, so no one is “fronting.”

And it works great with every other school of seduction out there, because its all based on what you project to the world about who you already are, rather than what you say or do.

Donovan: You mentioned that conversation skills are a big part of your course. What makes Pure Personality different than say, other “conversation” products out there?

Thundercat: Well, the first is that its not all about conversation. It’s about how to be funny, how to properly tease a girl (so many guys do that wrong!), how to build your reputation and meet lots of people quickly and easily.

Conversation is a part of it, but it isn’t the whole thing. Conversation is a tool you use to show people your personality and get them addicted to it.

It’s also much more naturalistic than other conversation methods out there. It’s not robotic, its fluid. Its like “Jeet Kun Do” for talking. You change and adapt based on what you say and what they other person says, just like a real conversation, but you have guideposts to help you out.

You know when to toss in a joke, how to make it funny, when to tell a story, when to listen, when to excuse yourself, etc.

The product is more about how to be social than anything else. Its great for guys who are shy or introverted.

Donovan: So you’re saying it goes deeper than just conversation skills?

Thundercat: Oh yeah. it goes to the core of who you are. It’s about being an attractive guy, and seeing who picks up on that.

Think of the word “attractive” for a minute. To “attract” something is to pull something towards you based on qualities that thing seeks out.

When you’re attracting women, women need to come to YOU, and the only way that will happen is if they see something they like and desire.

They might not desire a 300 lbs. bald guy, but they sure desire the feeling they get when they laugh, and have a good time, and feel protected and safe and happy. That’s what this course is all about.

Donovan: Okay, I like what I hear. So how much is the package, and if I ordered it, what do I get?

Thundercat: Well, the course is BIG, so its going to cost a little money, but its nowhere near as expensive as some of the other courses people have been putting out.

Basically, you get a series of video tutorials, audio interviews, training assignments, and manuals – all covering specific aspects of the system.

And keep in mind, this IS a system. Its not just a bunch of attributes you learn willie-nilly. Its a process you go through, so its very structured.

I’ll also be giving away a lot of bonsues. So people get access to the course as soon as they pay, but after three months, I’ll also ship them a pysical version of the course so they can watch it at their leisure away from the computer.

Not only that, I’ll also have a special coaching club available to the first 50 people who sign up, and special “practice” sessions for the first 100 people to get the course.

Basically, I’ll get one of the super-hot girls I know to get on the phone with me and the students, and have the students practice on them during the call, then the girl and I will critique how the student did and give them feedback on how to improve.

I’m excited about that because its something new and different, and its a great way for guys to practice in a safe environment.

So for all that, I’m charging three payments of $197. You can also pay one payment of $497 and get a discount for paying all at once.

Donovan: How does pure personality differ from Renegade Rapport? They seem to overlap on many topics, or have I got that wrong?

Thundercat: They don’t so much overlap as they compliment each other.

See – a lot of my game is based on internal state, beliefs, confidence, and interpersonal interaction. Renegade Rapport is about how to build deep connections rapidly – sometimes before even talking to a girl.

Pure Personality is about getting as many girls as you can to pay interest to you so you can gain those connections.

So if Renegade Rapport is about how to get a girl to fall in love with you, then Pure Personality is about how to get a girl interested in you – so the “falling in love” part becomes easier.

But more than that, Pure Personality is about teaching guys to have fun! Its about showing them how to get out of their head, how to stop being nervous, how to stop being introverted, and have fun around really attractive girls – something so many guys have trouble with.

Pure Personality is also about helping guys get away from the bad beliefs they have about themselves. Its about giving them the tools they need to feel attractive, instead of trying to “fake” it.

Donovan: So if I got access to Pure Personality tomorrow, how would I put it into practice?

Thundercat: Well, basically you’d go through the videos, then the audios, then text, and finally the assignments. The assignments are where I outline the best way to acclimate yourself to the techniques.

The course is very streamlined. You’re not going to find a lot of fluff in there.

I also have some input from some very incredible guys in the community. Barry Kirkey is in the course, as is Adam Lyons and Brad P. All are amazing guys and they share some incredible stuff.

Donovan: So when is the course coming out and how can people get it?

Thundercat: Well, I know a lot of people out there are tired of “marketing” stuff, but I really think this type of thing can really help guys out.

You don’t have to buy anything to see what the course is about. Just go to:
http://www.looks-dont-matter.com
I have 8 free videos up there you can go through and see how this course will work.

The course is being released on August 30th, which is labor day weekend. The order page will go live at 9:00 am Pacific, 12:00 pm Eastern time at the link above.

(So watch those videos while you have a chance! They won’t be up past Friday!)

So if there are guys out there who think they might like to feel better about themselves, feel more attractive, and get more women, they’ll definitely want to give it a shot.

And if not, hey, no worries. I’m having fun just making the videos and doing the interviews like this one! lol.

Donovan: Cool man. Well, thanks for taking the time to talk with me about it.

Thundercat: No problem bro. Keep up the great work on your blog!

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Interview With Savoy About Settlement With Mystery

Editor — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:20:04 +0000

For those following community politics, we have the big news that the year-and-a-half lawsuit between 1) Mystery Method Corporation, Savoy, Love Systems, and Love Systems’ Instructors and 2) Mystery, Lovedrop, and Matador has settled.

This was recently announced on both the Venusian Arts website and on Savoy’s blog. Despite Savoy’s statement that he wasn’t going to talk about it, I have his cell phone number and am persistent. Eventually he gave in.

SC: Congratulations on settling this case. It must be a relief. Do you feel that you won?

SAVOY: No, there’s no winner. The point of a settlement is that there aren’t winners and losers. Both sides have said that they are happy with the settlement, and we’re moving on.

SC: What can you tell me about the settlement?

SAVOY: Not much. We’ve agreed to keep the terms confidential. What I can say is that monetary damages are being paid to me in return for dismissing my claims for defamation.

SC: Does that make you feel vindicated in a way, after all of the negative publicity you suffered during this?

SAVOY: Yes and no. Obviously, it’s nice, but I decided early on that I wasn’t going to worry about what random people who didn’t know the situation had to say. This isn’t an industry you should be in if you can’t handle criticism. Guys read The Game, which of course is written by Mystery’s best friend, and they feel attached to that character without really thinking about whether there might be some bias going on or that a book written by one guy’s best friend isn’t necessarily a good guide to a complex dispute that began two years later and involved several other people. It’s natural.

The part that does make me happy is being able to clear my name. I had a business career before Love Systems, and I will have a business career after it. It will be nice for people to be able to google my name without this crap.

SC: So how do you feel about Mystery now?

S: We settled, we shook hands, and it’s in the past now. I mean, we’re not rushing off to plan a vacation together, but if I run into any of those guys, I’ll gladly have a beer with them. The more I dug into this, the harder it was to figure what exactly Mystery was doing versus what various people around him were doing and who knew what and who was driving the bus, and now that it’s all settled, I really don’t care anymore. I genuinely wish them all the best. I really do.

SC:Looking back, what would you have done differently?

SAVOY: I’ve been thinking a lot about this, but it’s tough to give a really insightful answer. The “key lessons” from this are things I knew anyway – common sense things that most people would know anyway – but ignored.

SC: Such as..?

SAVOY: OK, fine. Like, first of all, always get any deal written down and signed. No shit, right? Well, but when you’re making plans with friends, your first thought isn’t always “let’s call a lawyer and get this documented”. But it should be. As one of my mentors told me, “a deal that starts with a handshake ends with a gun”. These days, even when I’m making agreements with guys I’ve been working with and friends with for years and trust implicitly, everything still gets written down and signed off on. Even with the best will in the world, sometimes people understand things differently or remember them differently. Writing it all down also forces you into being precise about exactly what you’ve agreed to. I’m the first to admit that I should have insisted on this and that I should have known better.

Another lesson is one that I need to remind myself of every day. The more difficult or sensitive the issue, the closer you want you form of communication to be. In person is better than video chat, video chat is better than the phone, and anything, even a geriatric one-winged carrier pigeon suffering from tuberculosis, is better than email. Never, ever, ever transmit a negative message or discuss a sensitive issue via email. It’s a rule I break all the time, because email is just so convenient and is great for breaking down complex issues, but I really try to discipline myself not to.

And, oh yeah, legal insurance.

SC: Mike Long used to work with Mystery and now he’s been talking you up in his newsletters. Is a Mike Long – Love Systems alliance in the works?

SAVOY: This isn’t a board game, with alliances and enemies. If Mike Long finds value in what I or other Love Systems instructors have to offer, I’m pleased to make it available to him and his community. But it doesn’t change what we’re doing, and I don’t think it changes what he’s doing.

He’s an interesting and very successful guy, and what a lot of people don’t know about him is he has pretty good game himself.

SC: Will you still be publishing Game Over: The Rise and Fall of the Mystery Method?

SAVOY: No. That project is no longer relevant. In a way, it sucks because I put a lot of work into it and had three of the seven beats already written, and parts of it were really funny in a kind of dark and sarcastic sort of way. But it still comes from a place of negativity and I’m glad to be moving on from that. There’s a small amount of stuff in there I can save and use for a different book. I’m not sure exactly what that different book will be – the publisher I was working with is understandably a bit irritated with me at the moment.

SC: So now that the lawsuit is over and the book isn’t going to happen, what do you see as the future direction of Love Systems?

SAVOY: Love Systems is unique for a lot of reasons, most obviously how we’re structured. We don’t follow the guru system, which I think is usually (not always) counter-productive and dangerous. And this by the way has nothing to do with Mystery or the lawsuit; its one of the basic principles of Love Systems. Just because Guru X is good with women does not make him someone you should learn from. I can go to any bar in Hollywood and find guys who are good with women. But can they teach it to others? And will it work for different men, or just for guys who are kind of like the guru?

I’ll give you a couple of examples. I’m pretty big and tall, I naturally have a pretty dominant energy with women, and I have an intuitive feel for female sexuality and sexual triggers. When I’m out meeting women for myself, I use and leverage the hell out of these techniques. But none of this is in Magic Bullets and I don’t teach this stuff at bootcamps – unless I’m working with a guy who has similar attributes to me. The cool thing about Love Systems is that because of our diversity, stuff that works for all of us is virtually guaranteed to work for our students.

SC: [interrupting] What do you mean by diversity?

We have instructors from Sweden to Thailand. We have white instructors, Hispanic instructors, South Asian (Indian subcontinent) instructors, East Asian instructors, and black instructors. We have 5’3 guys and 6’3 guys. We have guys in their early 20s and guys who are almost 40. At least five instructors don’t even have English as a first language. And we’re all into different types of women. But we’re all successful with women, and we all use systems that are based off of Magic Bullets. So when one of us comes up with something and the rest of us try it out and it works, we know we’re onto something that probably relates to universal female psychology or social dynamics and we’re comfortable rolling it out. Of course, at our bootcamps, we take advantage of the opportunity of customizing our methodology for each student’s unique identity. That’s why we bring so many instructors to every bootcamp, and one of the reasons why live training is so important and valuable. But I don’t know whether the guy buying Magic Bullets is an 18-year old high school student or a divorced 55-year old investment banker, so I need to keep it pretty universal. I can’t assume that everyone is just like me. No one cares how Savoy picks up women. People want to pick up women themselves.

But, look, diversity is just one component. We don’t lower our standards one inch to get diversity – it’s just happened that way. We also have an intense focus on teaching. Having great game doesn’t get you in the door as a potential instructor. Having great game and a passion and a knack for teaching does. And then we train the hell out of you so you become an awesome instructor as well as pickup artist.

It’s kind of funny to see guys’ faces when a bootcamp starts, and someone like Mr. M or Cajun or Fader or LBD walks in. It’s like – they’ve heard all about these guys and expect them to godlike chick magnets. But they’re all short and none of them look like a pickup artist. You read about Mr. M picking up a playmate in just a few minutes in the hallway outside a bootcamp, and then this short little Asian dude walks into the room and people go WTF. But it’s also awesome because it helps students realize that there is nothing separating them from being as successful with women as an elite Love Systems lead instructor other than time, practice, and access to training.

Before, I was also going to give the example of Derek Cajun on Keys to the VIP, which I think you’ve written about on your blog. What I thought was awesome about that was that he decided to go on national TV and use the exact same system he teaches students – which is based on Magic Bullets. He didn’t use any of his personal techniques or stuff that is specifically calibrated to him – he just used the generic stuff you can get straight off the Love Systems website. He even used routines straight from the Love Systems Routines Manual. He did this to prove a point – what we teach works, and you don’t need years of study. Cajun was a student at one of our bootcamp’s just a year or so before he went on the show.

SC: Right, so…back to the question about the future direction of Love Systems?

Sorry I’m rambling, I just get so passionate this stuff. Well, something you’re going to see a lot more of in the future is our Game 2.0 initiative. We’ve pretty much mastered “cold approach” – both as practitioners and teachers. Yes, there’s always more to learn, and yes, we’re only really scratching the surface in terms of female psychology, but when you’re consistently going out and bringing home or dating the women you want, how much further do you really need to go? At our last Super Conference, the different instructor teams competed to see how many of their students took hot women home. Fader’s team was over 50%. The last LA bootcamp that I went to, 6 of the 8 students got laid – with hot women. This isn’t hype – this is verifiable information. Our training has gotten that good. Our instructors really are that good and that dedicated.

Game 2.0 is all about how can we leverage our cold approach skillsets. And that’s where you’re seeing all this exciting stuff like Braddock (Donovan: who I’m interviewing within the next two weeks) and Mr. M’s social circle mastery program. Now instead of trying to steal the hot girl off of the guy who come to the club with 6 beautiful women, we teach our students how to BE the guy who has the hot women in his social circle in the first place. You got Soul’s Day Game program, which fuses direct game, day game, and the Magic Bullets approach. You’ve got my relationship management stuff – the DVDs will be out in a couple months – that makes anything from traditional relationships, to multiple relationships, to friends with benefits into a breeze. And there’s lots more to come – some of this stuff isn’t ready to be announced but we can talk about it off the record.

SC: And that’s where we’ll keep it…unless I need to extort cash from you one day!

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It’s Time For Your Wake-Up Call! By David Wygant

Editor — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:38:26 +0000

So, last night I was able to go to the Coldplay concert, which was just phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, I know what they said about Coldplay in “The 40 Year Old Virgin,” but I like Coldplay for a few different reasons.

I like Coldplay because they play with such passion, which made their concert last night a really great experience. You know, right in the middle of the show, Chris Martin of Coldplay said ‘Nothing is better than going out, standing there in front of all these people, creating great energy and playing with all of your best friends.’ That is what life is all about!

Life is about enjoying yourself. Life is about experiencing things. Life is about having fun with your friends. Life is not about chasing people you want to come into your life; life is about attracting people into your life.

It was an amazing thing to be in The Forum last night, which is saying a lot. For those of you who are unfamiliar with The Forum in Los Angeles, it is just an absolutely awful and outdated arena. It was cool, though, being there last night with about 20,000 people who were layed back and just having a good time.

No, this blog is not about giving you a wake-up call to buy Coldplay concert tickets (although I certainly would recommend their show). This wake-up call was inspired by the combination of these realizations I experienced at the concert and some realizations I’ve made in the last few days.

Some things have happened to me in recent that really rocked my world. I’ve been doing a lot of traveling, enjoying myself a little bit and, of course, working. I was in Santa Fe last weekend and was in Hawaii before that. While I was in Hawaii the woman who sits for my six year-old English Lab Daphne noticed a lump on her belly. Although the lump was not new, it had been small and had not previously changed in size.

When I returned home, I saw that the lump had indeed gotten bigger so I took Daphne to the vet. The vet looked at it and didn’t want to do anything, but I made her aspirate it anyway. During my Santa Fe trip, the lab report came back which showed that there were mast cells in the cyst that was aspirated.

Now, mast cells in a dog can be either malignant or non-malignant. I actually have been learning all about them over the last several days. Although there seem to be conflicting medical viewpoints on what Daphne’s lab results mean and although I really didn’t think there was anything wrong with her, at this point I thought it would be better to just take the lump out anyway.

I am figuring she will be okay. My fingers are crossed. What all of this makes you realize, though, is that life is very precious.

Life can be taken away from you at any moment. Everything that you love or have ever built – whether it’s relationships, animals or friends – can be lost in an instant. You don’t know what fate has in store for you.

You have no idea what’s going to happen to you on any single day. So why do so many people choose not to live life to the fullest every single day? Why do so many people go through life like they’re in a coma?

It always amazes me how so many of us go through life like we’re here forever and like we have an unlimited amount of time to experience life. We live our lives as if no matter what we do and no matter what happens, we’re going to be here forever . . . but we’re not.

Not only are we not here forever, we could be here a much shorter time than we anticipate. Life is a gift, and it’s a gift that you need to embrace every single day.

I mean, this last week has been really tough for me – I had to go and research (and see pictures of ) this thing called a mast cell tumor, I had to talk to all sorts of people and doctors and vets trying to figure out whether my dog is sick. I wanted to make sure that Daphne gets the best attention, because I really don’t want to lose her.

What I’ve realized over these last days is that everything that is precious to me can be taken away in a second. So with that realization in mind, why don’t you enjoy everything you do to the max? Enjoy life! Enjoy the gift that is your life.

Men spend so much time trying to chase women and worrying about what to say or do when they see someone they want to meet. Just walk up to those woken and stop overanalyzing every little thing. Stop wasting your time with worry, and start experiencing.

I wrote a blog like this awhile back based on the movie “The Bucket List.” Well in this blog I’m going to talk about making other kinds of lists.

What if you made a list of all the things you are afraid of doing? How about a list of all the things you’ve been wanting to do “someday” but have never done? Why not start doing the things on these lists, because you never know when you’ll no longer be here.

As I’m walking Daphne right now and noticing how happy and content she is just sniffing the warm night air, I realize that this beautiful gift of this English Labrador may not be here forever. Although I am going to do everything in my power to make sure she is, I am also going to make sure that every moment she does have here is amazing. I am going to appreciate every moment I have with her.

It’s time for all of you get out of your comas and start looking at life as the gift that it is. Here’s your wake-up call!

Ok that was a heavy blog so todays video is all about being goofy and having fun!

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How To Seem More Confident Than You Really Are

Editor — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:16:29 +0000

In Bang there’s a section about the two ways to increase your confidence (starts on page XX). I don’t have anything to add to that short list, but I have found a way that a girl can PERCEIVE you as more confident.

Imagine you are a girl for a second and you’re in some bar drinking with your girlfriends. Guys come up to you all the time, some with decent game but some with tired “What are you drinking?” game. What is the one thing that would tell you a guy knows what he’s doing, has probably had a lot of girls, and can give you both emotional and physical pleasure?

Boldness.

Let me explain with a story.

I was at a bar when I started talking to a cute girl. I sat down on a bar stool to face her and sat so our legs were touching. After 10 minutes of conversation, I made it seem like I just noticed her bracelets and starting touching them. Then I noticed some drink spilled on her jeans, and started “rubbing” it out. She quickly hit my hand away.

Even though I was surprised, I pretended nothing happened and continued our conversation. Then five minutes later, I just started poking her thigh while she was talking. That’s when she started giving commentary on my pickup..

“I saw you here the other night talking to girls. I have a feeling you hit on a lot of girls and you do this all the time.” I just said I was “outgoing” and “friendly,” with a smirk of course.

She knows that this is what I do, that I hit on girls like herself every night. But she cannot tell her brain to stop feeling attraction for a desirable man. I am a desirable male because she THINKS I do this all the time and that I’m successful at it (why else would I be bold?). And she thinks I do this all the time simply because I’m touching her early and in ways other guys are too scared to do.

I made out with her before I got her number, after a total time of 30 minutes or so of talking to her. Keep in mind this was from a girl who hit my hand away when I started touching her.

Being bold screams confidence, because it tells the girl that you are NOT AFRAID and have done this before. She will think, “Who does he think he is touching me so early in the conversation?” “Look how close his face is getting to mine. What makes him think he will kiss me tonight?” The answer in her head will be something like, “Because he knows what he’s doing and has succeeded at it before.”

And here’s the beautiful part: she will have no idea what your past is, no idea how many women you really did sleep with or didn’t. All it takes is one trait—boldness—to be the man she wants to sleep with right now.

This means that even if you have zero confidence, just sucking it up and trying to push the boundaries to get closer sooner than you think you can, you actually increase the chance that you will get a make-out or sex. Weird how things work.

Just a few years ago the approach itself would scream boldness and be an attractant in its own right, but we’ve entered the age of pick-up where any Joe Schmo who lost his virginity is peddling an ebook and robot monkeys are approaching girls with the tired “Who lies more” opener. A cute girl has been approached hundreds of times by the time you get to her, so now it’s early touching and kissing will give the boldness effect.

Before I got into the game, that wouldn’t make any sense to me. I’d wait very patiently for obvious green lights and only then would I proceed with caution. But the more experience I got (going on a decade now), the more impatient I became, and the sooner I started going for it. And it worked. Not only did I get more, but I got it much quicker.

Now I’m pretty spoiled. If I don’t get a makeout within 30 minutes or so, I think something is wrong… WITH HER. The only time I get numbers now without make-outs is when I simply ran out of time.

It wasn’t always like this, and it did take me work to get here, but if you start with a solid foundation of techniques (which I teach in my book Bang), it will be just practice and commitment on your part. If you haven’t already done so, check out page samples today..

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Myspace, Facebook & Social Network Dating Guide

Editor — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:01:23 +0000

Myspace, Facebook and other social networks are great places to meet women. Remember my post on meeting women on Facebook? Well, apparently I’m not the only guy doing this successfully. I found the following video on youtube yesterday:

Looks good huh?

After seeing the video I decided to get in touch with the social networking seducer Race De Priest and his accomplice Kelly. I asked them a bunch of questions.

Race, what kind of success did you have with women before getting great at social networking?

Well I wasn’t too shabby. I had a decent amount of women in my life but not nearly as many as I wanted. My goal was 3 new dates a week. I had to go out 4 or 5 nights a week to achieve those types of results and even then I didn’t always make it. Now that Kelly has taught me his system for meeting women on social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace it’s not uncommon for me to have a new date every single night of the week. Sometimes 2 in a single day. Ridiculous right? I wouldn’t have believed it either. The secret is meeting women online allows you to leverage your time so you can seriously meet as many women as you want to.

Do you prefer Myspace or Facebook more? What are some of the differences of each?

I will always have a special place in my heart for MySpace since that is where I first learned this system. Recently I have been using Facebook a lot and am getting just as many dates from there. In fact, I am meeting a new girl tonight from Facebook. I’ll break down the differences as I see them.

MySpace:
Pros
-Highly Customizable to show off your attractive qualities
-Easy to navigate and very intuitive
-The most popular social network site on the planet (over 250 million people)
Cons
-Since there are so many people girls get hit on much more frequently

Facebook:
Pros
-Highly targeted to the college crowd
-Integrated chat feature
-Since it is more private girls don’t get hit on as often
Cons
-Harder to navigate and find quality girls
-Girls overall take longer to reply

My suggestion is since they are both open to the public and are both free get an account on both sites. Our system shows you how to set both profiles up step by step so you can attract women on autopilot.

Can you give me a sample interaction on Facebook?

Sure, no problem. Here is a girl I met a couple of months ago.

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Subject: I’m confused…..

—————– Original Message —————–
From: Race
Date: Jan 12, 2008 12:59 PM

are you shy, or something?

-Race
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From: Her
Date: Jan 13, 2008 11:16 PM

A little… why?

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From: Race
Date: Jan 14, 2008 12:01 AM

well I’ve been on MySpace for a while now and you still haven’t said hi. That’s a little rude don’t you think?

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From: Her
Date: Jan 14, 2008 10:53 AM

I would never be rude. Did you say hi to me? Your page is very interesting…

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From: Race
Date: Jan 14, 2008 12:13 PM

my page is interesting like how..weird???…are you being rude again????..haha j/k We’ll hi Have you seen the Secret?

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From: Her
Date: Jan 14, 2008 7:31 PM

I have seen the Secret and I’ve read it. How do you feel about it? And what’s your name by the way? What made you write me?… I’m glad you did.. I’m intrigued for some reason… Hope you’re having a great night!

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From: Race
Date: Jan 14, 2008 9:37 PM

my name is Race. I have watched, read and worked with some of the people in the secret. I agree in the principles but am wary of people who take it to the far extremes so they no longer have a foot in the “real world” so to speak.

What are you view on it?

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From: Her
Date: Jan 15, 2008 5:14 PM

It’s nice to meet you Race (even though it’s not in person)! I completely agree with always trying to think positive and finding the silver lining in everything that you do. I know from experience that a positive attitude can make a world of a difference! But you’re right, it’s gotta be in moderation. Some people take it way too far! So you’re from New Mexico, right? Do you live in Vegas now?

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From: Race
Date: Jan 15, 2008 5:38 PM

Why thank you kind woman..haha. You seem like a person who is at ease with herself…it is as rare as it is a pleasure to be around. Perhaps I am missing something but how in the world do you know I am from New Mexico? Are you stalking me…cause I am actually in the market for a new stalker…my old one is getting boring And yes I do live in Vegas…going on 9 mo now. I moved here from San Diego/ New Zealand.

Have you ever been bowling at southpoin?

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From: Her
Date: Jan 15, 2008 6:43 PM

lol… Doesn’t your page say that your from there?? If not, I have no idea and now I am really confused! Maybe I am your next stalker and I didn’t even realize it So New Zealand, how long were you there and for what… if you don’t mind me asking! Your pictures are amazing! And the photo comment that you left me is hilarious! So how do you like Vegas so far? I’ve never been bowling at South Pointe. Do you like it?

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From: Race
Date: Jan 15, 2008 9:16 PM

I really don’t think my page says it…at least I couldn’t find it..but hey your the stalker with the excellent observation skills and sneaky info gathering tactics

I lived in New Zealand for 1yr total. First for university and then just to travel and bartend. Vegas has treated me well though the girls here are less than satisfactory…and say girls because they all act like little girls not women. Not sure if that makes sense to you.

I was asking about southpoint because me and my friends go bowling there every now and then and I thought you might like to come so I could kick your ass

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From: Her
Date: Jan 17, 2008 5:20 PM

Yeah, I checked your page again too… I couldn’t find it either!! Who knows where I pulled that one from??

So did you like New Zealand?

I understand what you’re trying to say about girls in Vegas, but let me reassure you that these boys aren’t much better!! Much different from the midwest! So why’d you pick Vegas as your next stop?

I would love to go bowling!! But to be honest, you probably will beat me. I’m not so good, but then again, I hardly ever fail to surprise myself!

Hope you’re enjoying your evening!

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From: Race
Date: Jan 17, 2008 5:27 PM

maybe you have latent psychic abilities…lol

I loved loved loved New Zealand!

I picked Vegas because I wanted to assist my buddy with his music and start a new company:)

well I am not the best at bowling either but I have a blast doing it. Shoot me over your # and we’ll go in the next week or so. It is after midnight so you’ll have to be a little bit of a night owl to keep up

ps have you ever tried hookah?

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From: Her
Date: Jan 17, 2008 6:05 PM

That’s so amazing! I can’t wait to go to another country! You’ll probably have to tell me all about it

So what kind of music does your buddy play and what type of company are you starting?

I AM a night owl with a day job, unfortunately;) But I’ll see what I can do! My number is xxx*xxx*xxxx

And I’ve never tried hookah, but I would love to!

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If A Girl Tries To Flake Out On The First Date

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The time between getting her number and seeing her again is when most girls flake, so it’s important you keep that time to under one week. You call within a couple days of meeting her and schedule a date for a couple days after that. If too much time passes until she sees you again, momentum is lost and the interaction loses importance in her mind.

The reason: if she meets a new guy and doesn’t see him for over a week and doesn’t feel any discomfort, how will she come to the realization that it’s important to see him?

If a girl tries to cancel the first date, and you make it easy for her to do so, there’s a risk that date one will never occur. When dealing with a girl’s attempt to cancel, the main idea is to not let her off the hook so easily. Make it uncomfortable for her so there is tension that she attempts to relieve, either by canceling her cancellation or by wanting to quickly reschedule.

Girls usually cancel on the same day of the date through text or phone. If she calls you on the day of the date, let her leave a message by not picking up your phone. Do not respond to her until the very last minute, where she worries that you will actually show up to the date or that you were going to stand her up. For example if you set a date at 8PM and she cancels at 5, do not call her until 7:15-7:30. The extra time also allows you to think about the best way to respond.

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In some cases doing NOTHING actually keeps the date on schedule. Who would have thought that? It’s better to go out with a sick girl or one that is less than 100% ready to have sex because it at least keeps the interaction going. Remember, the more time that passes before the first date, the less important you become.

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At the very least, delaying your response stirs up some worry and places you in her mind for a much longer time. I don’t know what a girl is thinking when she is trying to cancel a date, but I think it’s possible that your delayed response would make her think, “Maybe I’m making a mistake.” At best, like in my personal example
above, doing absolutely nothing will keep you on the right track.

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