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	<title>Comments on: Love Systems Vs Real Social Dynamics Bootcamp</title>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right on the money Adam Elite, I have never been to a bootcamp and am better than anyone I know, I believe that most of the people who have gotten really good, have not taken boot camps, because they know in the end they are going to have to make the change and hanging out with a guy whos really good with girls for 3 days isnt going to do that for them, if you could hire an instructor to train you 5 nights a week for 2 years that would be a different story, but who has that kind of money?

Gogo, your right also, these instructors just keep spouting off the same info over and over, and its pretty pathetic that people keep paying them to do the same bull crap over and over again, heck I&#039;d like to run a company where I just pick up girls and spout off the same crap over and over again, just in slightly altered ways and make bank.

I mean seriously pay one of your friends to force you to approach and youll have close to the same experience.

And N seriously dude, when did RSD brain wash you, the message you wrote makes you sound like your not even a real person, your either someone who gets payed to market RSD products or your just a computer program RSD has set up to find web pages and talk about how great RSD is.

I mean dude come on, Jeffy even admits to having memorized 10 hours of routines in the Jeffy show, how is that natural?

Open your eyes, people are taking your hard earned money so they can party and drink beer all day.

All in all no one needs to take a bootcamp to become successfull with women, but if you are going to take one, I think the price of each bootcamp speaks for it self.  Love systems has consistently been able to charge twice as much as RSD.  I mean money speaks louder than word, you can tell me I&#039;ve done a good job all day every day, but I&#039;d rather you just pay me twice as much that would make me way happier.  And did&#039;nt RSD have to reduce their price from $2000 to $1500 this year and Tyler keeps promising that the price is going to go back up because the boot camps are so packed yet it never does.

It is yet another marketing skeem they tell you the bootcamps are sold out even if there is only one guy taking it so it looks like they have a good product.  Plus RSD is a company who tell a bunch of lies, like &quot;being rich dosnt help you out with women&quot; and having a table at a night club won&#039;t help you get layed.&quot;  And Tyler presses all this made up marketing bull crap on every one, he might as well have just been like, guys I came up with this lie about how things work in the real world so you would believe that you don&#039;t need money to get girls all you need is my product.  Because I want to live on a beach in Hawaii where I can surf and party every day and while you hold down a job in the real world working 40hrs + a week all be running bootcamps that last 21 hours where someone pays me to hangout with them at a bar and that will be the most stressful part of my week, eventhough that is how most people blow off steam.

Where on the other hand Love Systems instructors will openly admit that money helps you with women and they don&#039;t change the price of their bootcamps.  So A they dont lie about what works and what dosnt to generate more money and B they dont change their prices, this tells me that their not hurting for business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right on the money Adam Elite, I have never been to a bootcamp and am better than anyone I know, I believe that most of the people who have gotten really good, have not taken boot camps, because they know in the end they are going to have to make the change and hanging out with a guy whos really good with girls for 3 days isnt going to do that for them, if you could hire an instructor to train you 5 nights a week for 2 years that would be a different story, but who has that kind of money?</p>
<p>Gogo, your right also, these instructors just keep spouting off the same info over and over, and its pretty pathetic that people keep paying them to do the same bull crap over and over again, heck I&#8217;d like to run a company where I just pick up girls and spout off the same crap over and over again, just in slightly altered ways and make bank.</p>
<p>I mean seriously pay one of your friends to force you to approach and youll have close to the same experience.</p>
<p>And N seriously dude, when did RSD brain wash you, the message you wrote makes you sound like your not even a real person, your either someone who gets payed to market RSD products or your just a computer program RSD has set up to find web pages and talk about how great RSD is.</p>
<p>I mean dude come on, Jeffy even admits to having memorized 10 hours of routines in the Jeffy show, how is that natural?</p>
<p>Open your eyes, people are taking your hard earned money so they can party and drink beer all day.</p>
<p>All in all no one needs to take a bootcamp to become successfull with women, but if you are going to take one, I think the price of each bootcamp speaks for it self.  Love systems has consistently been able to charge twice as much as RSD.  I mean money speaks louder than word, you can tell me I&#8217;ve done a good job all day every day, but I&#8217;d rather you just pay me twice as much that would make me way happier.  And did&#8217;nt RSD have to reduce their price from $2000 to $1500 this year and Tyler keeps promising that the price is going to go back up because the boot camps are so packed yet it never does.</p>
<p>It is yet another marketing skeem they tell you the bootcamps are sold out even if there is only one guy taking it so it looks like they have a good product.  Plus RSD is a company who tell a bunch of lies, like &#8220;being rich dosnt help you out with women&#8221; and having a table at a night club won&#8217;t help you get layed.&#8221;  And Tyler presses all this made up marketing bull crap on every one, he might as well have just been like, guys I came up with this lie about how things work in the real world so you would believe that you don&#8217;t need money to get girls all you need is my product.  Because I want to live on a beach in Hawaii where I can surf and party every day and while you hold down a job in the real world working 40hrs + a week all be running bootcamps that last 21 hours where someone pays me to hangout with them at a bar and that will be the most stressful part of my week, eventhough that is how most people blow off steam.</p>
<p>Where on the other hand Love Systems instructors will openly admit that money helps you with women and they don&#8217;t change the price of their bootcamps.  So A they dont lie about what works and what dosnt to generate more money and B they dont change their prices, this tells me that their not hurting for business.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This review sounds like a bunch of BS. I, for one, believe the RSD or natural approach is far superior and can back up that claim by the way I blow out my local MM chodes every fucking weekend. The problem with routines is that eventually you will run out of routines and then the chick will realize that they are hanging with a chode that was just reciting lines and canned material. I myself, love to blow out MM guys. They just sit there talking, scarred to escalate while I&#039;m sitting there making out with the chick they were just talking to. MM is for guys that are not confident enough to be themselves and pick up chicks. I also have taken many bootcamps, and besides some independent ones, the only company specific bootcamp I would ever recommend is an RSD bootcamp. And since I have also taught on a hand full of independent bootcamps I can tell you that a lot of guys are way to in their head and don&#039;t realize that pick up is about a raw intent and projecting that intent to the target. It is not about learning some elaborate &quot;routine Stack&quot;. Routine Stacks will never beat out a natural, cool vibe. Give natural game a try for 30 days and I believe you will agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This review sounds like a bunch of BS. I, for one, believe the RSD or natural approach is far superior and can back up that claim by the way I blow out my local MM chodes every fucking weekend. The problem with routines is that eventually you will run out of routines and then the chick will realize that they are hanging with a chode that was just reciting lines and canned material. I myself, love to blow out MM guys. They just sit there talking, scarred to escalate while I&#8217;m sitting there making out with the chick they were just talking to. MM is for guys that are not confident enough to be themselves and pick up chicks. I also have taken many bootcamps, and besides some independent ones, the only company specific bootcamp I would ever recommend is an RSD bootcamp. And since I have also taught on a hand full of independent bootcamps I can tell you that a lot of guys are way to in their head and don&#8217;t realize that pick up is about a raw intent and projecting that intent to the target. It is not about learning some elaborate &#8220;routine Stack&#8221;. Routine Stacks will never beat out a natural, cool vibe. Give natural game a try for 30 days and I believe you will agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think RSD&#039;s Blueprint is more helpful then Magic Bullets any day. I also get the feeling that this site a biased towards Lovesystems since its a Lovesystems affiliate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think RSD&#8217;s Blueprint is more helpful then Magic Bullets any day. I also get the feeling that this site a biased towards Lovesystems since its a Lovesystems affiliate.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you had unrealistic expectations before it even started and you want things you don&#039;t need and are angry to not getting them.

You&#039;re not in a movie, but in real life, it&#039;s about time you know that instructors are not magicians. They are just way better than you, so they can help you fill that gap, but they&#039;re still human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you had unrealistic expectations before it even started and you want things you don&#8217;t need and are angry to not getting them.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not in a movie, but in real life, it&#8217;s about time you know that instructors are not magicians. They are just way better than you, so they can help you fill that gap, but they&#8217;re still human.</p>
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		<title>By: COUCOUL</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3961</link>
		<dc:creator>COUCOUL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE SYSTEMS = the milked cow SYSTEMS


I take bootcamp 1 on 1 day game with one of Love Systems instructors and this gay has no game.

THEORY : 4H

The instructor takes 4 hours talking about theory:
Structure : opening attraction comfort …
Day game
Difference between day game and night game
The attractions switches

I know all theses elements the only think that I learn with this gay is how to talk with woman with emotion not with logic. He gives me some example.

PRACTICE : 3H30 MIN

After we go to the field I tell my self I’m going to see real PUA in action working the mall. This gay can’t have conversation with woman. He talks to some girls just for few seconds. Stop one girl talk to her for about 2 minutes take her number I have no idea what he told her and what she told him.

The problem is not just the instructor. There is nothing in the lounge too.

Few days before I see this beautiful girl on the street and I tell my self I need to go and talk to her but I stop not because of approach anxiety but I just think about it. If I go and approach her and I have nothing to tell her after: what do you do today? (This is what this fake instructor tell: go direct game and tell what are you doing today) I will have the some result: she will just give the IOD: I have to go, I have BF, or she will give me her phone number and it will be flake.
I was in the middle of the street asking my self : why I take this bootcamp ? The answer is: to get good with woman and have beautiful woman in my life.
And this is exactly what love systems tell me in the day game workshop.
http://www.lovesystems.com/training-programs/day-game-workshop

They tell me : Imagine being able to approach a woman you wanted to talk to in any situation and have an attractive conversation with her.

They teach me how to APPROACH A WOMAN but they don’t teach me how TALK IN ANY SITUATION AND HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE CONVERSATION with her.

So what they tell you and what they really teach you is completely different and if you like to learn how to talk and have an attractive conversation with woman you need to buy the books, audio and DVD : Magic Bullets, routines manuels, Text Game,  Interview Series. You need to take bootcamp for day game, for comfort, for inner game, if you have questions phone training …

So this is just BUSNESS COMPANY.  In this company all they care about is your money. For them your are not STUDENT your are CUSTUMER. You’re like a cow for them you should always milked.  The love systems site and all Blogs the media are just publicity.


There is nothing you are going to learn from this busness company trust me. I give 1500 $ to some looser to see him running and stopping girls in the mall.  (Exception: If you are new at this you have no idea what is an opener maybe take bootcamp you will save some time reading but 1500 $ for 8 hours is too much. In my opinion don’t pay more than 200 or 300 $.)




For me REPEAT: NOOOO


[img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/eq9oip6i9pev5x083nav.png[/img]

 THE BUSNESS COMPANY LOVE SYSTEMS
 MEDIA WHO GIVE YOU FAKE VALUE
 THE FAKES REVIEWS
 TO EVERY FAKE PUA AND INSTRUCTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY
 THE FAKE ROUTINE : I take the bootcamp and it change my life
 THE FAKES LAY AND FIELD REPORTS AND FAKES PICTURES


You can fool some people for some time, but you can not fool all the people all the time

In my life I take some bad decision, this one of them. But I’m not going to be the milked cow.

I’m not going to respond to anyone this is ADVICE take it or leave it.





[img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/5rj9rkbfxmwpex66wp.jpg[/img]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE SYSTEMS = the milked cow SYSTEMS</p>
<p>I take bootcamp 1 on 1 day game with one of Love Systems instructors and this gay has no game.</p>
<p>THEORY : 4H</p>
<p>The instructor takes 4 hours talking about theory:<br />
Structure : opening attraction comfort …<br />
Day game<br />
Difference between day game and night game<br />
The attractions switches</p>
<p>I know all theses elements the only think that I learn with this gay is how to talk with woman with emotion not with logic. He gives me some example.</p>
<p>PRACTICE : 3H30 MIN</p>
<p>After we go to the field I tell my self I’m going to see real PUA in action working the mall. This gay can’t have conversation with woman. He talks to some girls just for few seconds. Stop one girl talk to her for about 2 minutes take her number I have no idea what he told her and what she told him.</p>
<p>The problem is not just the instructor. There is nothing in the lounge too.</p>
<p>Few days before I see this beautiful girl on the street and I tell my self I need to go and talk to her but I stop not because of approach anxiety but I just think about it. If I go and approach her and I have nothing to tell her after: what do you do today? (This is what this fake instructor tell: go direct game and tell what are you doing today) I will have the some result: she will just give the IOD: I have to go, I have BF, or she will give me her phone number and it will be flake.<br />
I was in the middle of the street asking my self : why I take this bootcamp ? The answer is: to get good with woman and have beautiful woman in my life.<br />
And this is exactly what love systems tell me in the day game workshop.<br />
<a href="http://www.lovesystems.com/training-programs/day-game-workshop" rel="nofollow">http://www.lovesystems.com/training-programs/day-game-workshop</a></p>
<p>They tell me : Imagine being able to approach a woman you wanted to talk to in any situation and have an attractive conversation with her.</p>
<p>They teach me how to APPROACH A WOMAN but they don’t teach me how TALK IN ANY SITUATION AND HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE CONVERSATION with her.</p>
<p>So what they tell you and what they really teach you is completely different and if you like to learn how to talk and have an attractive conversation with woman you need to buy the books, audio and DVD : Magic Bullets, routines manuels, Text Game,  Interview Series. You need to take bootcamp for day game, for comfort, for inner game, if you have questions phone training …</p>
<p>So this is just BUSNESS COMPANY.  In this company all they care about is your money. For them your are not STUDENT your are CUSTUMER. You’re like a cow for them you should always milked.  The love systems site and all Blogs the media are just publicity.</p>
<p>There is nothing you are going to learn from this busness company trust me. I give 1500 $ to some looser to see him running and stopping girls in the mall.  (Exception: If you are new at this you have no idea what is an opener maybe take bootcamp you will save some time reading but 1500 $ for 8 hours is too much. In my opinion don’t pay more than 200 or 300 $.)</p>
<p>For me REPEAT: NOOOO</p>
<p>[img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/eq9oip6i9pev5x083nav.png[/img]</p>
<p> THE BUSNESS COMPANY LOVE SYSTEMS<br />
 MEDIA WHO GIVE YOU FAKE VALUE<br />
 THE FAKES REVIEWS<br />
 TO EVERY FAKE PUA AND INSTRUCTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY<br />
 THE FAKE ROUTINE : I take the bootcamp and it change my life<br />
 THE FAKES LAY AND FIELD REPORTS AND FAKES PICTURES</p>
<p>You can fool some people for some time, but you can not fool all the people all the time</p>
<p>In my life I take some bad decision, this one of them. But I’m not going to be the milked cow.</p>
<p>I’m not going to respond to anyone this is ADVICE take it or leave it.</p>
<p>[img]http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/5rj9rkbfxmwpex66wp.jpg[/img]</p>
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		<title>By: gogo</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3960</link>
		<dc:creator>gogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Holy Land, you&#039;re telling me that being forced (strong word, papa stays at the hotel while you go approach) to approach in a mall changed everything for you?

You never did that before???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Holy Land, you&#8217;re telling me that being forced (strong word, papa stays at the hotel while you go approach) to approach in a mall changed everything for you?</p>
<p>You never did that before???</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Bass</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I STILL SEE NO LEGIT INFIELD FOOTAGE... O WAIT HERE&#039;S ALEX NOW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZVmN7VViYI

Oyyyyyy MINGERRRR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I STILL SEE NO LEGIT INFIELD FOOTAGE&#8230; O WAIT HERE&#8217;S ALEX NOW:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZVmN7VViYI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZVmN7VViYI</a></p>
<p>Oyyyyyy MINGERRRR</p>
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		<title>By: Holyland PUA</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3958</link>
		<dc:creator>Holyland PUA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

A lot of Papa&#039;s material was familiar to me, but was presented in a fresh way. All stuff I need to hear more often to get it programmed. All good.

I personally don&#039;t care about playboy mansions or big parties or being a PUA.  I just want more choice w/women. Again, this was a big help.

Btw, I bet of these other companies gave a free tour I would also get a lot out of it.

Hope Y&#039;all come to Israel soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>A lot of Papa&#8217;s material was familiar to me, but was presented in a fresh way. All stuff I need to hear more often to get it programmed. All good.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t care about playboy mansions or big parties or being a PUA.  I just want more choice w/women. Again, this was a big help.</p>
<p>Btw, I bet of these other companies gave a free tour I would also get a lot out of it.</p>
<p>Hope Y&#8217;all come to Israel soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Holyland PUA</title>
		<link>http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/04/28/love-systems-vs-real-social-dynamics-bootcamp/#comment-3957</link>
		<dc:creator>Holyland PUA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tel Aviv, Israel was great.

Look, Papa was a bit mechanical in his presentation - he&#039;s no Tyler - but he did fine.

Being forced to do pickup in the mall was a mind blower for me. Cathartic. Exactly what I needed. My whole game has been upped. Met a couple like minded dudes w/ fluent English, which I have also been lacking, not being a local here. Since then I have been doing easier sets like social circle party, coffeeshop nearby tables - and having fantastic success b/c my comfort zone has been stretched.

I&#039;m almost 40, going out with women in 20-25 range suddenly. WTF happened? Sure, I read all these PU guys and study too much, but this real life thing pushed me over the edge.  Could anyone have said &quot;go PU girls while I get a beer&quot; ?? Sure. But these guys had the clout to get 30 dudes in Israel to show up together...

Thanks RSD for a life changing evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tel Aviv, Israel was great.</p>
<p>Look, Papa was a bit mechanical in his presentation &#8211; he&#8217;s no Tyler &#8211; but he did fine.</p>
<p>Being forced to do pickup in the mall was a mind blower for me. Cathartic. Exactly what I needed. My whole game has been upped. Met a couple like minded dudes w/ fluent English, which I have also been lacking, not being a local here. Since then I have been doing easier sets like social circle party, coffeeshop nearby tables &#8211; and having fantastic success b/c my comfort zone has been stretched.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost 40, going out with women in 20-25 range suddenly. WTF happened? Sure, I read all these PU guys and study too much, but this real life thing pushed me over the edge.  Could anyone have said &#8220;go PU girls while I get a beer&#8221; ?? Sure. But these guys had the clout to get 30 dudes in Israel to show up together&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks RSD for a life changing evening.</p>
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		<title>By: gogo</title>
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		<dc:creator>gogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what? Let&#039;s try something, because this joke has to stop.

So, I address this message to EVERYONE saying the Free Tour was great. I noticed that NONE of you say what&#039;s actually good in it. So here&#039;s your chance.

What did you like?
What did you learn?

That should set things straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? Let&#8217;s try something, because this joke has to stop.</p>
<p>So, I address this message to EVERYONE saying the Free Tour was great. I noticed that NONE of you say what&#8217;s actually good in it. So here&#8217;s your chance.</p>
<p>What did you like?<br />
What did you learn?</p>
<p>That should set things straight.</p>
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