Have you considered taking a boot camp? The major players are probably Love Systems, PUATraining and Real Social Dynamics. This comparative review was posted over at the Love Systems forum which may be very valuable for those considering taking one. This user post was in regards to Braddock’s bootcamp in Washington, April 2009.
My story:
About two years ago, late on a Friday night alone at home (which was a common theme for me) I was flipping through channels bored as hell. It just so happened, as I was scrolling through my channel guide, I saw a show called “The Pick-Up Artist” on VH1. Too lazy to hop on the computer for porn, I guess I was hoping there would be some hot chick I’d spank it to. By now, I’m sure everyone in the community has heard of the show that blew the secret off the “secret” society. Well I didn’t end up jerking off to it (was scared jerking off to the cross dressing Mystery would make me gay), but it fucking flipped my world inside out and upside down. After watching the show, of course, like every other AFC that saw the show, I had to try this shit out.
The following week, I end up going out to a club in Baltimore with some of my nerd friends (I love em, but damn they can be lame). So I pick a line off the show (dental floss) and was going to bust it out and fucking close a chick for the first time in god knows how long. By the way, I didn’t tell any of my friends about the show and was just going to impress them with all the hot chicks I landed. So heading into the club with rap music fucking blaring through the speakers, packed with people shoulder to shoulder, strobe lights going on and off all over the place, the place is loaded with women. After about 30 minutes of staring at different women, I pick the girl (an 8). She’s the blonde standing over by the bar in a hot little black dress with red heels looking like she ready for me to come over there grab her, take her into the bathroom and give her the fucking she was waiting for. At that very moment, my heart starts beating out of my chest, I start sweating like I’m a fucking 400lb guy walking up 10 flights of stairs, and I become very aware of beer my friend spilled on me 10 minutes earlier that makes me look like I pissed myself . So I walk up next to her, about to say the line, and she looks over at me and I freeze (like a sweaty deer in headlights). We make eye contact for about 3 seconds and I turn to the bartender, order my normal jack and coke, and walk a way like the chode I was. And stand against the wall with the rest of my companions.
What the fuck just happened??? Needless to say, I don’t think that set went very well. So what did I need to do to improve, I knew the answer… Tivo the rest of the season of the Pick-Up Artist. That worked about as well as me a Turtle getting laid without Vince Chase.
Over the next few months, I spend hours everyday researching shit online, reading the Game by Style, and numerous books that are listed on forums and in the book. But I never get over approach anxiety and could never find the right words to say. Once in a blue moon, under the right circumstances (not too loud, the right song, an “approachable” set, with a perfect canned line for the situation) I open a set, but cannot nail any sort of real hook.
What is going on, what can I do to get over this shit and get that grade “A” pussy I’m looking for (you know the kind that taste like ice cream, not the shitty off brand stuff, but the Häagen-Dazs of pussy).
I finally decide to put some really value behind all of the teachings I had learned, I need in the field experience. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE YOUR GAME. And for me to actually do that, I need some pushing me to open. In February of 08, I signed up for the San Francisco boot camp with RSD. This is going to the life altering training I need to break out of my chodeness, and release the inner alpha male.
We are to meet at 7pm in a hotel lobby. I end up realizing who the other 2 students are, just by them having the same blank and nervous stare I had. My thoughts are racing and I’m scared shitless, but hey, 3 students to 1 instructor! This was going to be an awesome ratio, so much personal attention. The instructor shows up 7:25 (I was stressed, I was staring at my phone every 30 seconds, the only confidence I had to keep me in check was knowing I was in the right hotel cause the other two students were there.)
Finally, the PUA shows up, we begin to have our pick-up information given to us in the busy hotel lobby. He tells us to throw away everything we had learned as it was all shit. Canned lines never work; you have to become a natural now to be success with women, due to the book and the show fucking up the canned approaches. That totally makes sense, I get that. So what do I do? Be unreactive, assert dominance, give value, have core confidence. Ok great, how do I do that? The answer I received was defining what they were not demonstrating or giving examples so I couldn’t apply it to any actions or words. But fuck it, I’m going to try and do whatever I think it means. He’s the PUA, he gets paid for this, he knows what he talking about, right?
So before we head out, we get the rules. One of the first rules was that we could not ask the instructor to open a set. And which we never got to seem him do. He used having a girlfriend as an excuse. Another was “No game talk in the field” With that out of the way, we head to a nice upscale lounge and the night begins. He tells me to walk up to every set I see. I go, and immediately get blown out of the first set I approached, I return and ask what I did wrong and he replies “No game talk” and pushes towards another set. After 4 more blow outs, the night just began to grow dimmer and dimmer for me. Eventually, it just felt like my instructor gave up on me, when I said “I have no fucking idea what to say”. His response was, “it doesn’t matter”. My problem with that answer was, if I could successfully talk to women, would I have this dreaded approach anxiety? The night ends, all three of us with an unsuccessful night.
We meet up in the afternoon the next day. And after spending 2 hours waiting on the third student (apparently the instructor didn’t have his number) we realize he jumped ship. 2-1 ratio now. By this point, regardless of the ratio, I was not feeling very confident. Game talk begins again. This time, he goes over a few more cores of pick-up, of course, neither of us had been successful with the previous night so it was about logical as yelling at a dog for burning the toast your grandmother cooked in the oven a week ago.
After we broke to rest and prepare for the night, I said to myself, “Do whatever it takes to open.” So I pump myself up in my hotel, get to the bar, and my good friend, “AA”, hits me again. The first night, I didn’t drink because I wanted to focus on my game. Not tonight…I start off by pounding 3 shots, by the end of the night, and about $100 worth of drinks later, I had open tons of sets. I have no idea if they were successful, what I said, what I did, or where I lost my phone, but I opened sets. So I figured out what I needed to do to open sets, just get plastered and make a complete drunken ass out of myself.
The next day, hung-over and without a phone, we meet and spend 4 hours in a restaurant talking about day-2’s and phone game. This had an actual structure and was what I was looking for the entire boot camp. Unfortunately, I still couldn’t open successfully, which is needed to a date or get a number.
Once I finally went home, which is in Baltimore (yes, I flew from MD to San Fran for the boot camp) I just decided, pick up is not for me and I will just have to look for “4” to settle for. (Which sucks cause I can hardly get my dick hard for a 4) For the next year, I just dropped everything from the game and went back to my lonely life scrolling the TV for hot chicks on Friday nights, too lazy to walk over to my PC to find something to spank it to.
Love Systems:
A year passes…
Of course, when I was heavy into the forums, I signed up for every mailing list possible on pick-up (I receive like 5 a day from different sites, like I’m sure most of you reading this do). I never look at them but something caught my eye, a boot camp coming to DC. Took a look at it, and just out of curiosity replied to get a few more details about it. Well, I got a call from one of the sales guys and decided, fuck it; I’ll give it a try.
This time, I was not expecting my life to be altered; in fact, I expected it to be a load of bullshit. The sales guy was saying it was going to be led by a guy named Braddock, according to the sales guy, “Probably the best PUA out right now” which I also assumed to be a load of shit and was just trying to sell me.
I head to the conference room (a little bit early) where the class portion will be, yes, there are actually three full classes of teaching pick-up. This is what I was looking for a year ago. So I became a little excited, but then I walk into the room where 18 chairs are set up, I’m the first person in the room. Oh shit, one instructor for 18 people, this is going to be hell, well it ends up only 8 students, but 2 instructors and 2 assistants. I liked the break down quite a bit.
The first day, Braddock and Big Business break down opening and transitioning, and throw in a few extra pointers to help us. It was a 5 hour class, with loads of good information. It seemed a little overwhelming, but it was the same information I had actually wished for and was seeking in the RSD boot camp. Braddock gave us some openers and routines, but said not to rely on them (salt & pepper). Before we broke, we were given our mission for the night, focus on opening and transitioning, don’t worry about getting blown out, and hit a lot of sets: don’t get stuck. It was magic…an objective that didn’t rely on outcome and focused on process.
That night everyone of us blew it up. I got blown out of the first few sets, but the instructors pointed out what I did wrong (body language, tonality, smiling). The openers they gave me provided me with enough confidence to approach. If I ever felt like I wasn’t sure what to do next, Calabrese just pointed at a set and said go. By the end of the night, I wasn’t even using canned openers because it just turned into a night of having fun. I approached at least 25 sets that night and hooked quite a few.
The next day Braddock, Big Biz, Calabrese, and Feet Sauce broke down our success and areas of opportunity. The layer process of learning continued, next we focused on disqualification, attraction, and kino. And at the end of class, another mission: play specific games we were taught, get numbers and closes.
Another successful night in the record book for me on night 2. Day three, another evaluation of the previous night and onto qualification, comfort, and the “birds and the bees” (a little differently than my dad taught me, but I would have fucking loved this version from him.)
By the end of the class, my outlook on pick up has done another 180 degrees and I respect it now and actually am not afraid to open sets. Yes, I still have work to do, but I actually am able to begin that work after I moved off of my sticking point. And I know what to do if I hit another sticking point.
Break Down:
RSD was about half the price of Love Systems. It seemed like a great idea at the time, because it was cheaper, but I ended up losing a year’s worth of pussy by taking the cheap way.
RSD has an extreme approach to the “natural” which can be great, but if you struggle with finding what to say it is not the way to go.
Love Systems broke information down and explained why stuff worked, how it worked, demonstrated it to us, and gave us feedback on what we were doing. There is a real process of learning involved.
If you do not have the money for a Love Systems class, and struggle with Approach Anxiety, do not bother taking any other course. Just save money until you can afford it.
By having more than 1 instructor, Love Systems could keep the class on course and could follow multiple students so one did not end up getting lost.
The energy of the instructors will keep any student going, motivated, and confident.
The best investment in myself I have ever made.
Those interested in learning more about Love Systems should check out their website.
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Nice post and interesting read.I think most people in the community knows that Love Systems pays attention to quality (usually, not always) and RSD is more for marketing.
Whoa, I can’t believe RSD sucked that bad. What they have to realize is that you can’t just go from zero to natural. You have to understand the structure of the game first, practice A LOT, and then.. you can reach unconscious competence… Or in other words, become a “natural”.
David Gideon
P.S. RSD actually has a free bootcamp in my city this coming May. I might check it & post again.
Sometimes you get what you pay for. Love Systems = car. RSD = bus ticket.
I thought this was commonly known…
Shocked I tell you, shocked
Braddock is one of the most committed people I’ve ever seen when it comes to teaching – the first time I met him I was impressed with how much of himself he gave to students in a weekend, doing anything and everything he could to fix their sticking points.
Someone also commented to me recently about how Love Systems is the most “scientific” approach out there. I think that’s true in the sense that we try to break down everything that works into small, manageable and learnable chunks so that it can be replicated by all.
I have never taken an RSD bootcamp though I talk to some of the guys often. It seems to me from personal experiance that as a company as a whole LS takes a more active interest in not just giveing bootcamps but actually helping people. I know that Soul, Fader, and Savoy have all went above and beyond to help me with any problem I have had. I think that pride in work and genuine care (not to say the RSD guys dont have it because I am sure they do just doesnt always seem that way) help the instructors to find specific sticking points. Though I am not a fan of useing canned material all the time I do believe in haveing it just incase, thats one place I think LS really helps at. Like I said they both have their points I just like the Personal investment of the instructors at LS.
PUA Training is not major player, not even close, even if you are an affiliate
They’re probably quality, but that doesn’t make them a “major player”
I think RSD and Love Systems work differently for different people. If you are already talkative and outgoing, RSD can help you quite a bit. But if you are the kind of guy that struggles with the question, “Well…what do I say to her?”, then advising things like “Just have NIMBUS!” is nonsense.
I think the ideas in The Blueprint took me further than anything that I learned from Love Systems (and I learned a lot from Love Systems) but only because the proper foundation had been laid prior to exposure to it.
For most beginners, RSD probably won’t be very effective…I’m wondering what this guys letters might be like had he gone to the Love Systems Bootcamp BEFORE the RSD Bootcamp?
@gogo Say what? PUATraining do massive amounts of bootcamps that are filled regularly. They are the largest pickup company in Europe by far.
As a guy who has taken both bootcamps, I would say they both have merit. RSD is definitely more intune with “natural be yourself” game while Lovesystems is for the guy who struggles in social settings. Both have their positive points and are really geared for different types of guys….
I think you’ve been wrong yourself by drinking that much. How the hell can they change you if you are totally hammered?
And then you ridicule them as if it were THEIR fault?
Dude, you’ve seriously got some problems. Jeesh.
Donovan > Yes they are, because there are no big pickup companies in Europe, so it’s not that hard to be number 1
It’s like saying “Microsoft, Apple and Redhat are major players in the OS industry”. Redhat probably is in the top 3, but that doesn’t make him a major player. I don’t even think PUA Training is in the top 3, they’re probably number 4 or 5.
How many shitty RSD reviews do people have to read before they get it? This is like the 3rd Jeffy horror story I’ve heard.
The amazing thing is, most guys, like this guy, have such amazingly low expectations when they take a bootcamp — they want to be able to approach and not have girls run away in terror. That’s it. It’s really not hard to get that out of a handful of guys.
RSD: “One of the first rules was that we could not ask the instructor to open a set.”
That’s just about all I needed to hear about that.
I know Love Systems is very good, but putting them next to RSD makes them look even better than they are. Love Systems should be compared to someone who is on their level.
I took a MM bootcamp and did not see any demos so I they really did not help me. The material such as Bullets and the Routines Manuals are cool but the bootcamp was a real waste of $3000.i also found the instructors on the whole to be arrogant and selfserving. I then took an RSD camp and at least the instructors did demos. I figured three times a charm so I followed that up with a Juggler bootcamp and not only did they demo but they participated in sets, winged and I was able to really come out of my shell. So my vote is for Juggler.
@Banana Man
“I know Love Systems is very good, but putting them next to RSD makes them look even better than they are. Love Systems should be compared to someone who is on their level.”
Who might that be? I’m curious.
Ah, the bootcamps.. aiming straight at their cash machine aye Donovan
I’ve trained with Braddock and I’d have to say the guy is a powerhouse – it’s totally change my perspective on myself and the game. This is because Braddock is a one stop shop! He understands both inner and outer game – both natural “be yourself” and canned game – as well as social circle and stripper/hired guns so I don’t know why you’d need to go to anyone else! Beyond that he has an enthusiasm for what he teaches that is palpable, and he doesn’t teach to hear himself talk – he strives to make sure you not only understand what you’re learning but can implement it as well. Braddock is there to work for you. I’ve taken other bootcamps and never seen anyone with the energy this guy has. He brings a very down-to-earth vibe to his teaching style, he doesn’t come off as holier than thou or arrogant, he comes off like a guy that worked hard to learn the game, mastered it now wants to lift others up to the same place – but without all the hard knocks he had to take. The guy gives 110% PERIOD. Braddock is an instructor that measures his success by that of his students.
Charisma Arts is on their level or maybe beyond for they were outstanding
I witnessed two Love Systems instructors a couple of weekends ago doing one-on-ones for Daytime Dating. A couple of things struck me about them:
1. They successfully approached and number-closed women. Not just to demonstrate to thir students that they could do it, but because they genuinely found the girls attractive. And they were successful! Then they came back and went into a detailed analysis of exactly what had happened and why. Everything was covered from the approach, body language, eye contact, positioning right down to what exactly was said.
2. The level of understanding, knowledge and experience the instructors possess is self-evident. Not because they overtly proclaim their level of expertise, but because it is demonstrated through authority. After watching a student approach, they pick out exactly what the student was doing well, where they could improve on and how best to succeed on the next approach. All feedback was tailored to each individual student’s style and personality, rather than spouting generic advice that could be gleaned from a book.
The next girl that student approached resulted in a successful number close within 5 minutes. Incredible!
I’ve not been on an RSD course. I don’t need to now. I saw the success and efficiency of the Love Systems Instructors before my eyes.
Fact is, they practice what they teach and ARE able to work with, as opposed to preach at, students and empower them to succeed.
I think Bootcamps, Live Training and One to One’s are NOT the neccessity some guys make them out to be.
I became self taught though studying various Mystery Method/Love Systems literature, watching You Tube Clips and downloading Seminars.
I then went out solo in-field* (*you know the real world?), and through Trial and Error, gauging reactions of who I was approaching, taking in feedback and making constant adjustments I unknowingly gained “an instructors level skill-set” according to one “Top 5 PUA” when I booked him for a live coaching session.
How much do you think you’d gain long term from only One Weekend of Training?
Until someone invents a device like in “The Matrix”, that allows PUA knowledge and skills to be directly uploaded in an attendees Mind- the answer is not much.
One complaint from people reviewing PUA Bootcamps is the power of hindsight. Whilst initially it feels like your feet aren’t touching the ground after the seminar, and many feel compelled to write ass licking reviews the truth is many slip back into their old ways.
After my seminar and One to One, my initial Opinion was this
1)Choose a company who has realised an easy to follow product, that can be used and replicated infield (Venusian Arts Handbook, Magic Bullets)
2)ASAP put into real world practice what it is teaching, One Step or Chapter at a time.
3)Realise you will get feedback intially. Blowouts, Rejections, False Starts, being told to fuck off etc. Its like wanting to be a boxer/martial artist but not wanting to “spar” (fight with a live opponent) becuase you are affraid of getting hit.
4)Read external literature on numberous subjects, Body Language, Evolutionary Biology, Influence (by Robert Ciadini-is good), Self Help, Confidence.
5) Get some additional non PUA Life Coaching, Therapy (I did and didn’t regret it)
6) Network with people who bring genuine Value into your life,Social Connectors, Female Pivots, Cool Guys or anyone who you wouldn’t necessarily take out on a Saturday night but whom adds Value (personal trainer at gym, Martial Arts Instructor, Meditation Instructor, Psychology Tutor, Business Adviser etc).
As for taking a Bootcamp realise this. Success with women is not about idolising a well known instructor, its about working on yourself and thinking about “How Can I” be like that guy and achieve what he achieves.
When I finally met this “Top 5″ instructor in all honestly I realised I knew all the answers in theory (the person was knocked back by my knowledge.
I just needed to learn to make decisions for myself.
Hey guys,
What’s up.. sorry to see you guys did have a bad experience with RSD. I did one BC with RSD in London, with Ozzie on London.
For me it was one of the best weekend of my life. Before that I was shy, but I was talkative and stuff… Ozzie said he didn’t know if it was because of my brazillian vibe. Because girls loved me..
I don’t want to make a marketing thing for RSD, but I think it’s unfair.. that everyone is saying Love System rulez.. RSD sucks.. I think it will depend on the instructor and on the guy.
Like I’m a pretty social guy, have some good friends, talks with a lot of people. My problem was always talking with hot girls on clubs and bars. And I think that got me resolved. When the matter was girl, I always got very nervous. Since my bootcamp I have build up a confidence, got some girlfriends and stuff…
My thing was that.. I did have some very little expectation from the bootcamp. I thought “OK, I’m good at opening.. now I want to be better in confort.” And then when I reach the BC, girls were grinding me, talking in my ear… it was a good experience.
I never did a BC with LoveSystem, so I don’t know. I’ve heard some good stuff from a student here in Brazil, but I’ve also heard some bad stuff.
If it depends on that instructor, surely the instructor shouldn’t be teaching?! What kind of charlatan company employs bad instructors?
I’m considering my first boot camp. I plan to attend a few. I want different perspectives, plus it sounds like a good time.
I’m not pure chode, but far from a guru. I will pay the price for an expert to show me the path. I also want to find like-minded friends…mine deny they need any improvement.
I’d love thoughts on a few questions:
– For a newbie…what boot camps are the best bang for the buck?
– What forums or blogs should I frequent?
– Are lairs/groups usually open to welcoming and teaching new members?
Feel free to email guiseppe.roman@gmail.com.
–Guiseppe
This site has obviously been paid for by lovesystems
I’ve seen Braddock in-field and he wasnt the least it impressive
I dont understand the constant attacks against ONE particular company, on this site and that is RSD. None of these guys are that good. I’ve seen tons of instructors and different boocamps when I’ve been out at a bar and these guys are nothing special. Stop singling out companies; they’re all the same
hey guys. what’s up?! so after about 500 GBs of pirated info, and after a proper meta-analysis ( accredited degree required ) of the past 12 years of pua education and training, it looks like that i can now conclude that it all pretty much works… your welcome!
sometimes an endeavor in research that’s an over-specialization is required to realize the true essentials. minus the dark side of the pua force– the ability to pick up ANY women without ethics and morals– it really just boils down to…oh crap; well i gotta cut it short. look, i’ll release my product for 100% free to the community, but i’ll need another 5 years. i’ve gotta tackle this Sc.D. first, so until then gents…
I have still yet any LOVE SYSTEMS instructor with any LEGIT infield footage…LEGIT meaning a WORTHY CLOSE….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42A_PXAPn3k
who was the instructor at RSD?
This site is sponsored by Love Systems. This article is TOTALY biased. I was at RSD Free Tour and I think RSD has a great teaching style that pushes you.
read the articles from magazines at RSDs website, or see the free tour yourself, or view one of there products and you will see that it is legit. I particularly like Flawless Natural.
Anyways, I took an ABCs of Attraction bootcamp and used to intern at a NYC based PU company.
The article wasn’t biased. It was a non-affiliated review from a student who paid for both.
konstintine > Oh my god, how old are you?
“If someone says something bad about my favorite pickup company, that mean he has been paid by the concurrents”
That’s so fucking stupid, I’m laughing out loud.
I also went to RSD Free Tour (in Amsterdam and in Brussels), and basically it’s Papa showing pictures of himself with girls, then he gives a few tricks everyone already knows. It you think that the RSD Free Tour is a useful thing, you’re were obviously pro-RSD from the start. Try to look at your notes and at what you really learned that day… if you really do it seriously, you will be shocked… you didn’t learn anything.
How can anyone say that the Free Tour is a good thing?
You should also watch the “Flawless Natural” product you downloaded illegally… but this time try to be critical about it. RSD products make you feel good while you watch it, so if you’re not really smart, you associate it as being a good product, because “you LIKE it” (I’m using your own words!!!). Whether you like it or not, I don’t care… what’s important is that you learn something, and that you can then apply it in-field.
You know what? Let’s try something, because this joke has to stop.
So, I address this message to EVERYONE saying the Free Tour was great. I noticed that NONE of you say what’s actually good in it. So here’s your chance.
What did you like?
What did you learn?
That should set things straight.
Tel Aviv, Israel was great.
Look, Papa was a bit mechanical in his presentation – he’s no Tyler – but he did fine.
Being forced to do pickup in the mall was a mind blower for me. Cathartic. Exactly what I needed. My whole game has been upped. Met a couple like minded dudes w/ fluent English, which I have also been lacking, not being a local here. Since then I have been doing easier sets like social circle party, coffeeshop nearby tables – and having fantastic success b/c my comfort zone has been stretched.
I’m almost 40, going out with women in 20-25 range suddenly. WTF happened? Sure, I read all these PU guys and study too much, but this real life thing pushed me over the edge. Could anyone have said “go PU girls while I get a beer” ?? Sure. But these guys had the clout to get 30 dudes in Israel to show up together…
Thanks RSD for a life changing evening.
P.S.
A lot of Papa’s material was familiar to me, but was presented in a fresh way. All stuff I need to hear more often to get it programmed. All good.
I personally don’t care about playboy mansions or big parties or being a PUA. I just want more choice w/women. Again, this was a big help.
Btw, I bet of these other companies gave a free tour I would also get a lot out of it.
Hope Y’all come to Israel soon!
I STILL SEE NO LEGIT INFIELD FOOTAGE… O WAIT HERE’S ALEX NOW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZVmN7VViYI
Oyyyyyy MINGERRRR
So, Holy Land, you’re telling me that being forced (strong word, papa stays at the hotel while you go approach) to approach in a mall changed everything for you?
You never did that before???
LOVE SYSTEMS = the milked cow SYSTEMS
I take bootcamp 1 on 1 day game with one of Love Systems instructors and this gay has no game.
THEORY : 4H
The instructor takes 4 hours talking about theory:
Structure : opening attraction comfort …
Day game
Difference between day game and night game
The attractions switches
I know all theses elements the only think that I learn with this gay is how to talk with woman with emotion not with logic. He gives me some example.
PRACTICE : 3H30 MIN
After we go to the field I tell my self I’m going to see real PUA in action working the mall. This gay can’t have conversation with woman. He talks to some girls just for few seconds. Stop one girl talk to her for about 2 minutes take her number I have no idea what he told her and what she told him.
The problem is not just the instructor. There is nothing in the lounge too.
Few days before I see this beautiful girl on the street and I tell my self I need to go and talk to her but I stop not because of approach anxiety but I just think about it. If I go and approach her and I have nothing to tell her after: what do you do today? (This is what this fake instructor tell: go direct game and tell what are you doing today) I will have the some result: she will just give the IOD: I have to go, I have BF, or she will give me her phone number and it will be flake.
I was in the middle of the street asking my self : why I take this bootcamp ? The answer is: to get good with woman and have beautiful woman in my life.
And this is exactly what love systems tell me in the day game workshop.
http://www.lovesystems.com/training-programs/day-game-workshop
They tell me : Imagine being able to approach a woman you wanted to talk to in any situation and have an attractive conversation with her.
They teach me how to APPROACH A WOMAN but they don’t teach me how TALK IN ANY SITUATION AND HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE CONVERSATION with her.
So what they tell you and what they really teach you is completely different and if you like to learn how to talk and have an attractive conversation with woman you need to buy the books, audio and DVD : Magic Bullets, routines manuels, Text Game, Interview Series. You need to take bootcamp for day game, for comfort, for inner game, if you have questions phone training …
So this is just BUSNESS COMPANY. In this company all they care about is your money. For them your are not STUDENT your are CUSTUMER. You’re like a cow for them you should always milked. The love systems site and all Blogs the media are just publicity.
There is nothing you are going to learn from this busness company trust me. I give 1500 $ to some looser to see him running and stopping girls in the mall. (Exception: If you are new at this you have no idea what is an opener maybe take bootcamp you will save some time reading but 1500 $ for 8 hours is too much. In my opinion don’t pay more than 200 or 300 $.)
For me REPEAT: NOOOO
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THE BUSNESS COMPANY LOVE SYSTEMS
MEDIA WHO GIVE YOU FAKE VALUE
THE FAKES REVIEWS
TO EVERY FAKE PUA AND INSTRUCTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY
THE FAKE ROUTINE : I take the bootcamp and it change my life
THE FAKES LAY AND FIELD REPORTS AND FAKES PICTURES
You can fool some people for some time, but you can not fool all the people all the time
In my life I take some bad decision, this one of them. But I’m not going to be the milked cow.
I’m not going to respond to anyone this is ADVICE take it or leave it.
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Dude, you had unrealistic expectations before it even started and you want things you don’t need and are angry to not getting them.
You’re not in a movie, but in real life, it’s about time you know that instructors are not magicians. They are just way better than you, so they can help you fill that gap, but they’re still human.
I think RSD’s Blueprint is more helpful then Magic Bullets any day. I also get the feeling that this site a biased towards Lovesystems since its a Lovesystems affiliate.
This review sounds like a bunch of BS. I, for one, believe the RSD or natural approach is far superior and can back up that claim by the way I blow out my local MM chodes every fucking weekend. The problem with routines is that eventually you will run out of routines and then the chick will realize that they are hanging with a chode that was just reciting lines and canned material. I myself, love to blow out MM guys. They just sit there talking, scarred to escalate while I’m sitting there making out with the chick they were just talking to. MM is for guys that are not confident enough to be themselves and pick up chicks. I also have taken many bootcamps, and besides some independent ones, the only company specific bootcamp I would ever recommend is an RSD bootcamp. And since I have also taught on a hand full of independent bootcamps I can tell you that a lot of guys are way to in their head and don’t realize that pick up is about a raw intent and projecting that intent to the target. It is not about learning some elaborate “routine Stack”. Routine Stacks will never beat out a natural, cool vibe. Give natural game a try for 30 days and I believe you will agree.
Your right on the money Adam Elite, I have never been to a bootcamp and am better than anyone I know, I believe that most of the people who have gotten really good, have not taken boot camps, because they know in the end they are going to have to make the change and hanging out with a guy whos really good with girls for 3 days isnt going to do that for them, if you could hire an instructor to train you 5 nights a week for 2 years that would be a different story, but who has that kind of money?
Gogo, your right also, these instructors just keep spouting off the same info over and over, and its pretty pathetic that people keep paying them to do the same bull crap over and over again, heck I’d like to run a company where I just pick up girls and spout off the same crap over and over again, just in slightly altered ways and make bank.
I mean seriously pay one of your friends to force you to approach and youll have close to the same experience.
And N seriously dude, when did RSD brain wash you, the message you wrote makes you sound like your not even a real person, your either someone who gets payed to market RSD products or your just a computer program RSD has set up to find web pages and talk about how great RSD is.
I mean dude come on, Jeffy even admits to having memorized 10 hours of routines in the Jeffy show, how is that natural?
Open your eyes, people are taking your hard earned money so they can party and drink beer all day.
All in all no one needs to take a bootcamp to become successfull with women, but if you are going to take one, I think the price of each bootcamp speaks for it self. Love systems has consistently been able to charge twice as much as RSD. I mean money speaks louder than word, you can tell me I’ve done a good job all day every day, but I’d rather you just pay me twice as much that would make me way happier. And did’nt RSD have to reduce their price from $2000 to $1500 this year and Tyler keeps promising that the price is going to go back up because the boot camps are so packed yet it never does.
It is yet another marketing skeem they tell you the bootcamps are sold out even if there is only one guy taking it so it looks like they have a good product. Plus RSD is a company who tell a bunch of lies, like “being rich dosnt help you out with women” and having a table at a night club won’t help you get layed.” And Tyler presses all this made up marketing bull crap on every one, he might as well have just been like, guys I came up with this lie about how things work in the real world so you would believe that you don’t need money to get girls all you need is my product. Because I want to live on a beach in Hawaii where I can surf and party every day and while you hold down a job in the real world working 40hrs + a week all be running bootcamps that last 21 hours where someone pays me to hangout with them at a bar and that will be the most stressful part of my week, eventhough that is how most people blow off steam.
Where on the other hand Love Systems instructors will openly admit that money helps you with women and they don’t change the price of their bootcamps. So A they dont lie about what works and what dosnt to generate more money and B they dont change their prices, this tells me that their not hurting for business.