Where are you from, what’s your background?
I grew up in a small town in Oklahoma. I played sports growing up and through high school. When I graduated high school I almost went to West Point, but ended up going to The University of Oklahoma instead. Probably the best decision I ever made. My college experience was insane. It was 4 of the best years of my life. I was in the Army and went to Airborne school during my time in college as well.
I majored in political science and planned on becoming a lawyer. I enrolled in law school and decided to take a year off before I started to get my mind right and to travel a little bit. It was during that year off that I discovered the dating industry and my journey to instructor began.
How was your dating life up to getting involved in the industry?
I was always pretty good with women as long as they knew me first. Before I found the dating industry I had dated a lot of beautiful women, but I would say 95% of those were social circle. This was fine all the way through college, but once I graduated and all my friends had moved off, my dating life took a big hit. I remember feeling really lost and depressed for a stretch after college. I found it hard to meet women in general and even harder to find and date the high caliber of women I had dated in my past.
As far as cold approach went, I had balls to approach as long as all my friends were around or if I had a few drinks. So every once in a while I would get lucky, but I was by no means good at cold approach and I was deathly afraid of it unless I had some liquid courage.
What was the tipping point for you to get involved in the men’s community?
I found the community more by accident than anything. I’m sure that’s how most guys find it. The tipping point for me was after a girl I had been dating for 2 years broke up with me. It was right in that time after college when all my friends had moved off and I was about to start law school. I had this beautiful girlfriend all through college and I had always dated beautiful women and now all of a sudden my friends were gone, my girl was gone, and the only girls I could get were the one’s I would have never considered dating in my past. I became extremely depressed. I started to have all of these bullshit thoughts and feelings telling me that I had ruined my life and that I should have married that girl because I could never get a girl like her again blab bla bla (puke) ☺
I started looking for answers for how to feel better and to understand my depression. Through my self help and psychology reading binge I stumbled across The Game. After reading the first page I became so excited that I read the entire book in one night. I couldn’t put it down. I couldn’t believe that guys had broken this down into a science. I had always believed guys were either good with women or they weren’t. Girls either liked you or they didn’t and there wasn’t much you could do about it. That book really shook my reality. It came at a really good time for me because I was pretty down.
It also showed me that it was possible to consistently meet beautiful women without building a massive social circle. That was something I needed to hear. It really lit a fire under my ass. I think my depression was partly do to the fact that I was holding on to a firm belief that the only way to meet BEAUTIFUL women…I mean a true 10 was through social circles. I knew guys who could get drunk and snag a 7 through cold approach and I had even done that myself. However, every guy I knew who had ever dated an off the chart 10, including myself, had always done so through social circles. Reading The Game showed me the possible. I’m really glad I found that book. It was truly freeing.
What were your major sticking points, have you gotten over them and
what have you done to accomplish it?
One of my biggest sticking points was my inability to get out of attraction. I remember reading David D’s Double Your Dating eBook way back when I started and it made me a nightmare. I love David D and I highly recommend several of his products, but for a guy like me who was already a naturally teasing guy, his cocky funny concepts just turned me into an obnoxious asshole.
It wasn’t until I found Magic Bullets that I was able to break through this sticking point. I was grateful when I read Magic Bullets because the Emotional Progression Model gave me a road map telling me where I was with each woman I met. Before I found Magic Bullets I had no clue where I was in set. I would basically run attraction only and never switch gears into qualification or comfort unless the women did it for me. I had no clue why some women were madly in love with me and some were only moderately interested.
Most of my sticking points were inner game. I had a lot of demons and negative beliefs I really needed to unwire. What did I do to accomplish this? I cancelled my cable and I have read two books per week for the last 3 years. I take notes in everyone of them and the notes that are the most important I type up and read everyday until I feel like I can see those changes in my life. There are a couple of books that really hit home on changes that I needed to make that I have read 4 or 5 times and had to buy multiple copies because they became so tattered. It is my personal law that until I see the changes in action in my life, than I stay on that book. I learned quickly that deep level change takes time and repetition. You can’t read a book one time and expect for all your problems to go away. You have to wage war on them and keep attacking them if you want true change.
I think the best advice I could give someone who wants to get their inner game sorted would be to try to find a mentor in every key area of your life, seek new knowledge and new experiences CONSTANTLY, and cut toxic people from your life completely.
I would also say that it wasn’t until I made drastic changes that I started to see real results. You can read all day and jerk off mentally to new age books on spirituality, but if you don’t get off your ass and get your hands dirty and really shake up your life than your essentially wasting your time. I had to cut some bad friends, change career paths, spend less time with certain family members, move, and really question my beliefs and reasons for my goals before I started to see real change. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but it was totally worth it.
Do you have a favorite field report, can you share it?
I would write more of these, but it takes me about 3 or 4 hours to write a good field report that is actually educational and worth reading. I also only write them on hot women. Not that I haven’t had my share of average girls, but I damn sure don’t want to waste my time or my clients time writing about them. Who wants to learn from that? The way you game a 7 vs a 10 is completely different. I can’t stand when guys write field reports on 7’s or below. Who gives a shit about some epic pull when the girl is a 6. So many guys in this community blow something that is completely common and takes little or no skill way out of proportion and act like they did something quantum. They will write a field report about a 6 (call her an HB 10) and then go on and on about some new frame or routine the used to land her, when they could have said basically anything and she would have went home with them.
Sorry about the rant, back on topic……
There are a bunch of field reports on my blog.
You work with Love Systems. Why Love Systems and not by yourself?
When I started researching this stuff I read, listened to, and watched every product on the market. Besides Love Systems the only other influence that really blew my mind was Tyler Durden personally. I read his entire archive on ASF and it blew my mind. Everybody gives that guy a bad wrap, but the truth is nobody breaks down game like that guy. He is a freak! But after reading the reviews of all the bootcamps and listening to all the products, it was obvious that Love Systems (Formerly known as The Mystery Method) was the gold standard in the industry. I know that I had all kinds of reservations and doubts about taking a bootcamp, but when I found out Savoy offers a 100% money back guarantee if I wasn’t happy I decided it couldn’t hurt to give it a chance. Most companies don’t offer that.
The main thing that sold me was the Love Systems interview series. Like I said, I had checked out every product on the market so I wasn’t easily impressed. I had gotten laid way before I found game and all my friends back home were naturals. You can tell within 5 minutes of meeting someone or listening to them talk if they get laid or not. Most of the other products on the market turned me off. I could tell that it was just some nerdy guy trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about. I could tell that it was stuff that would never work on a true 10. But when I heard the Love Systems interview series with Savoy, Future, Mr. M, 10 Magnet, Sheriff, and The Don I could tell that they were guys who had been in the fire fight, not just guys who were trying to sound cool but had no idea what they were talking about.
I want to be honest in this interview, 90% of the reason I chose to work for Love Systems was completely selfish. Yeah I wanted to help guys and all that, but the main reason was because I wanted to improve myself and to do that I wanted to be around the best guys in the world as much as possible. I knew some of the other companies had 1 awesome figurehead or 1 guru surrounded by a bunch of no name minions, but Love Systems had a team of guys who knew their shit and practiced what they preached.
I also wanted to be with a company that had cool guys outside of pickup. I personally was not interested in hanging out with guys who were solely obsessed with pickup and were sad souls who had done nothing else with their life. I did not want to be around guys who I couldn’t introduce to my friends back home. All the Love Systems instructors are cool, mentally healthy guys who I consider close friends and mentors….not just in pickup.
I think Love Systems has always had high standards on what it takes to become an instructor, but in the past year Savoy has really stepped this up. It is no easy feat to become a Love Systems instructor. You can’t just get grandfathered in like you can in some companies. You have to be nominated by two separate lead instructors and then meet Savoy personally. He will then interview the candidate and make him open sets on the spot. If they fail any portion of the test….they are out. I like this a lot. This keeps our instructor team top notch. In an industry where all you have is your name, it’s key that we keep the best of the best instructors in our stable.
What are you working on lately?
This last year has been crazy for me. I finally sent my Phone and Text game book to the editor and it should be done very soon. This book was originally going to be less than 100 pages. I think I finally edited down under 200 hundred pages. It’s full of actual texts scripts and it’s a step by step model for how to use your phone to maximize your chances of getting the girl. I wrote this book because text and phone game is one of my specialties and I was getting tons of emails from guys telling me it was their biggest sticking point.
I have also started teaching something on my bootcamps that I call Trigger Words. It basically shortens the model and allows guys to generate all their routines based on the woman they are talking to. Instead of trying to memorize 300 routines and using the same ones even when they don’t fit certain types of girls or the situation and coming off a little weird, Trigger Words allows guys to run a really natural form of game that is specific to the woman they are talking to. Every since I started teaching Trigger words in my bootcamps my clients have been getting insane results in a really short period of time. Before they would have to go home and practice for months just to master a routine stack. With Trigger Words you don’t need a routine stack and you don’t need to memorize anything accept the Emotional Progression Model outlined in Magic Bullets.
I’m probably most proud of my contributions to our Inner Game and Social Circle Mastery one day seminars. Mr. M and I co created these seminars and they have really changed my life. I don’t think I’ve ever worked harder on anything in my life than these two seminars. Social Circle Mastery is a seminar on how to build a lifestyle full of beautiful women, cool guy friends, and mentors. Ideally you don’t want to be running cold approach for years and years. You want to use cold approach as a catalyst to help you create a cool lifestyle that is naturally full of beautiful women. I wish I could have taken this seminar when I was 15. My life would be completely different.
Our Inner Game seminar took us over a year to put together. The first time we taught it we went 4 hours over the allotted time and only completed 25% of the seminar. It really goes deep. When we sat down to create this seminar we wanted to create something that wasn’t just feel good bullshit or weird new age spiritual stuff. We wanted to create a seminar that gave guys actionable steps to really get their inner game in order. This seminar is something that is really special to me, because I know how bad my inner game was years ago. Mr. M and I tried to make this seminar the one we wish we would have had when we were at our lowest points. Savoy really gave us some tight parameters with this seminar. He hates most of the inner game stuff on the market and has even refused to allow our company to teach it in the past. We had to really create something special before he would put his stamp of approval on it.
If a guy is wondering where to start, inner game is the cornerstone as far as I’m concerned. Inner game is the foundation of everything else. So if you don’t have this sorted then nothing will feel right. You can sleep with a million girls, be rich, or have the girl of your dreams, but if your inner game is out of order it will all feel empty.
Love Systems as a team is rolling out some great stuff as well. Savoy just finished his Relationship Management DVD and it’s pretty amazing. Soul launched his Day Game seminars this past year. I sat in on this seminar and it was eye opening to say the least. I’ve done my share of day game, but I don’t know anyone who has done more day game sets than Soul. Soul is working on a day game ebook that should be out in the near future.
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