What’s Wrong With PUA Methods?

by David Wygant on January 30, 2009

Most of you guys who’ve read the blog already know what I feel about Pickup Artists and their methods. I don’t believe in them.

It’s not that they necessarily don’t work. Most of them are either childish, manipulative or plainly unnecessary (therefore, it takes you longer to get good with women)

Funny thing is my coaches and I receive a lot of emails from guys asking us the same question over and over again:

“I recently read a book on xyz method. I want to learn more about attracting women. Do you think xyz method is a good starting point for those learning to attract women?”

Well… before we even answer that question, let me ask you a few of my own:

What are you looking for?

What kind of man are you? Better… what kind of man do you want to be?

Are you wanting to be a Pickup Artist who speaks in pickup lingo to his friends and who always have to think of techniques every time he meets a women or do you want to be a the normal cool guy with whom women always look forward to meet up?

Where do you want to meet women?

A lot of the more funny, gimmicky methods out there are geared for you to use in high energy and loud environments such as bars and clubs. It’s always good to learn how to have fun in any environments because the more you enjoy yourself, the more you project good vibes and the more attractive you become… however, do you really need to learn lines and games for you to know how to have fun?

What kind of women do you want to meet?

I’m not going to lie to you. I’ve hung out with a lot of Pickup Artists and the types of women they attract are not the same kind of women I attract. Enough said.

I like to talk to intelligent, caring, independent, emotionally stable and overall confident or self-made women. When you read about a method, try imagining what kind of women would fall for those techniques.

I know a lot of PUA will tell you their stuff works on everyone but if you can feel something is fishy when you use some of their techniques or lines, the woman can too! If they don’t say anything to point it out to you, it’s because they are letting you do your thing… because they already like you.

Do you see women as just an object to conquer and have sex with or do you truly enjoy and appreciate all that a woman can bring or contribute to your life?

This is not a criticism of ALL PUA methods but let’s be honest, a lot of these guys don’t actually like women. They just want to bed them and as such, they have loose standards on what makes a woman worthy of the kind of man they are.

I personally don’t want to be with everyone out there. There’re definitely a few women that I won’t associate myself with, no matter how hot they are.

Do you want your world to center around women?

This is the biggest paradigm shift you have to accept.

The world of a PUA centers around women: how to meet them, how to attract them, how to seduce them… how to chase them.
Most of the “normal” men who I’ve seen naturally successful with women have their lives centered around what they are passionate about. Women are a hobby. These men don’t place their self-worth on the amount of women they have in their lives. They place their self-worth on whatever activity they get fulfillment from.

Therefore, if your goal is to learn how to attract women by being confident, by being you, you can skip a lot of the PUA methods out there.

The reason I have is very simple: learn more about emotions and how emotions affect the woman and you’ll understand them better, connect with them better and in the end, attract them better.

You don’t need a method to learn how to do that. Methods teach you a set of techniques and tactics. Methods will give you a list of reasons on why their techniques work, how their techniques are based on the women’s needs and that’s why they successfully influence her emotions but I’ll be honest with you, their analysis is not always accurate.

There is no logic to emotions.

If your sole goal is to become a great womanizer, learn empathy. Learn how to place yourself in her shoes so that you can understand her world. By understanding her world, you will be able to navigate through her own emotional chaos and help her open up to you so she feels comfortable letting herself be seduced by you.

Instead of learning techniques A, B or C, instead of learning WHAT to do, LEARN HOW TO THINK about attraction, learn how to understand the emotions behind sexual arousal to make her feel desired, learn how to relate to the women’s needs and even more importantly, learn about yourself.

Attraction is about BEING attractive, not doing something attractive.

Real attraction starts from within.

So what are the real flaws of PUA methods?

A lot of these methods don’t really teach you how to connect with people, men or women. They see people as targets or obstacles. Is that how you want to go through life, with the mindset of “You are either with me or against me”?

In a group setting, you really don’t have to WIN OVER everybody, you got to be likable, sure… it does make things easier for you to be seen as charming by everybody but the only person who really matters in the end is the person you are interested in.

Many methods are either geared for night time OR day time. If you learn directly what emotions are about, if you learn how to figure out people’s passions, motivations and driving forces, you can “seduce” anyone, anywhere.

Certain techniques such as negs, heavy banter or heavy cocky/comedy only work on low self-esteem, insecure, very young or A.D.D. women. Talk to any emotionally stable and/or confident women and they’ll laugh at your face if you try to neg them. Worse, they’ll just walk away from you and never speak to you again. Once again, what kind of women do you want in your life?

Peacocking is unnecessary. Being unique and showing personality is much more advantageous in conveying the right things about yourself to the woman than being extravagant in the way you dress to gain attention. Are you really getting the right kind of attention by peacocking in the first place?

More often than not, it’s not what you say that matters. It’s how you say things and what/how you convey things about yourself.

When you learn routines, you inadvertently train your mind to rely on clever lines to win over the girl. Having a few interesting lines here and there help but it’s not the lines that matter, it’s what the lines say about your character that matters.

The other issue with learning routines is that it reinforces your mind to believe that whatever you say is not good enough to attract women. You didn’t have the confidence in the first place to just say what was on your mind when you meet women. Now you want to reinforce a negative belief about yourself by using routines?

Preparing and memorizing stories ahead of time may help you gain an understanding of what you SHOULD want to convey about yourself but if you rely on them, your mind will be too cluttered with thoughts of what to say instead of being free to revel in the moment with the woman in front of you so that you can create a genuine and deep connection with her.

In addition, what if she throws something unexpected at you? Will you be quick witted enough to just listen and tell her exactly how you feel or are you going to try to remember something you prepared before.

Learn how to express yourself confidently and powerfully, NO MATTER WHAT the situation is. If you believe in yourself and say things as if you truly mean them, THAT is attractive.

Some methods don’t explain enough non-verbal communication. Attraction (in the sexual arousal sense of the term) at its core is emotional and physical. Women respond less to what you say than to what you make them FEEL. Learn how to make them feel strong emotions by the way you look at them, by the way you touch them, by the way you talk to them and by the way you use your body as an extension of what you want to tell them.

As you can see, there are a lot of things to be aware of if you want to go down the PUA method route. Not all is bad but is that really necessary?

If you learn how to attract women the PUA way, it might take you longer to get good with women.

Why?

Because they may teach you things that don’t really matter.

If you don’t get distracted and stay focused on the right things, things will become much easier, much faster than you expect.

Real confidence is gained by doing it enough times without reinforcing the wrong mindsets. Some methods will help you do that, many won’t.

One last thing I thought I should really point out. Nobody has really addressed this issue publicly before but the PUA lifestyle is an illusion. It’s unsustainable. The appeal of dating 3+ women at the same time is not realistic UNLESS that is all you do in your life.

Do the math yourself!

In a week, you have 168 hours available to you.

Let’s assume you have a full time job of 40 hours per week.

Let’s give you an average 7 hours of sleep per night, which adds up to 49 hours.

Let’s add 3 hours of physical activity per week.

Let’s give you an average of 4 hours per day for cooking, meal and snack time, totaling 28 hours per week.
Let’s put 10 hours of driving time… for various commutes and traffic jam time (which is a low estimate)

Let’s add 2 hours per day for hobby or down time (tv, computer, reading, emails, video games, other form of socializing like phone time with friends, chatting, happy hour… ), totaling up 14 hours per week 144

This sums up to 144 hours of “used time”!

This leaves you 24 hours to juggle: going out to meet women, calling/texting them to set up dates and other kind of errands and responsibilities I have not taken into account.

If you were really good, you might be able to sustain some form of semi-serious relationship with 1 or 2 women… but anything beyond 3 is stretching it… unless meeting and attracting women is all you do in your life or unless you are only going for casual partners.

So what do you think now?
Write your reactions in the comments section.

If you want to learn how to attract women the natural and simple way, go take a look at the Men’s Mastery Audio series where I will give you all sorts of simple exercises that will help you learn the right things about women without any of the gimmicks.

{ 36 comments… read them below or add one }

paspartu January 30, 2009 at 6:10 pm

This is the best critic I’ve ever read about the so-called pick-up community’s fallacies…

Most of them are leading men to wrong ways, to quick fixes, time consuming short-lived interactions with women etc… This kind of guiding would unfortunately create many psychologically traumatised men.. what they really care about is money….

To attract women, one needs a manly (mature, integrated, balanced, controlled, timeless) character… Men are not clowns to entertain women… with made up stories, jokes, games etc.

Someone who happened to seduce a woman in some way or another, developes this immediately into a so-called technique, calls it something that sounds something intelligent and starts selling it.. such websites are musrooming at the moment…

all the best

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Colin January 30, 2009 at 6:59 pm

Mate, I have to say, i really enjoyed reading this article.

Its funny how things have evolved. More and more people today are realising that its more about fixing up their own lives as opposed to developing a bunch of techniques and canned materiel for the sake of covering up their flaws.

Fix the flaws, get some goals, learn to socialise and be less dependant on getting results. Have fun, relax, BE COOL. Things will start to go really well.

At this point you can take a few techniques, teasing, flirting etc and it will work like wild fire!!!

Honestly great article.

Cheers

Colin

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Zictor January 31, 2009 at 1:59 am

A long time ago, it’s become clear to me that Pick Up is like a muscle, like anything else in your life. You just need to exercise it to become good.

If one looks enough on the internet, they will find all the material they need to understand some basic principles and improve their game. Now they just need to practice.

Sometimes it’s not really clear how BAD it can be for you to become too focused on women. Your slight mathematical calculation is funny, because it kinda shows that leading a perfectly normal life and being a master PUA might be difficult.

Personally, most guys I know would be simply happy in improving their game a little bit. I would be like that too, if I hadn’t found my woman already.

But honestly, the article is VERY good, but talking about your material in the end was a REALLY bad mood, it takes away all your credibility.

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Awesome Pete January 31, 2009 at 8:59 am

Great article David Wygant. Very well written and perfectly said.

You too Zictor, i agree with what you just said.

Guys needing help. Take note of this artcle and what David & Zictor said!

~Pete
Australia, Melbourne.

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LeVance January 31, 2009 at 2:44 pm

The best thing I’ve ever read. Truly speechless.

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dark est January 31, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Wow, this just just argued ‘Whats wrong with PUA methods’ by using it’s own teachings to teach a ‘better way’ to pick up. Its all inside their, you just have to realize, this guy is a moron first.

Anybody who thinks this is a good article can’t think for themselves.
This guy basically said things like “You know how MM says do this?” Well when you do X to reach Y, you are actually failing at X. Do X this way to reach Y. You don’t understand pick up at all, or understand how even to be a ‘cool and attractive’ guy.

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Kingpin February 2, 2009 at 12:56 pm

You see David Wygant, this is why I dont like much of your dating and lifestyle teachings.

You’re WAY too negative. Always talking about how people dont do this or always do that, and how its wrong and you’re right. Whenever people listen to your teachings I bet they usually feel negative and bitter. Rather than talking down on your competition, say something good about yourself. I wanna know why I should learn from you and not why I should not learn from your competitors.

This is exactaly how John Mcain lost the election. When will people notice that “consumers” are not “idiots” anymore.

~Kingpin

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Doppelganger February 3, 2009 at 6:18 am

From what I read the article says to:

a)learn who you are and what you want, improve (this can be tricky – many people I know don’t know who they are, what image and “aura” they emmit and what they want from life or from women. I know people trying to be with women they admit they don’t like, people who know are oblivious to some bad traits of them and people who knows that there is something wrong but prefer not to work on it)
b) focus on what turn women on, emotions, body language – therefore create a new you, not just add techniques to the old you (change yourself)
c)PUAs teach MOSTLY techniques, but they also teach how to improve yourself
for example I find David. D’s programs really insightful on how you can be a better man, not only attract women and MM a kick ass book with mathematical strategies on picking up women
d)most of the things PUAs teach or anyway, sell, work only in certain types of women.
About that: Actually the core mindset works on every woman (that’s what I get from personal experience anyway) but maybe some techniques work on certain types. It’s logical isn’t it? How can I attract a woman in a library by using an MTV opener? Or, if I look for women who want long term relationships with the probability of marriage included, the chance of meeting one in a club at 4 pm it’s small – I might meet one, but, still, thin ice.
e)most PUAs don’t love women.
I’ve been thinking about it. This is a generalization to tell the truth and we can’t know what each PUA want out of a woman. Some might care only for sex, some for something deeper. They’re behavior, or writings of course describes men who care only to bed women and that’s it. But, again, we can’t be sure.
f)because they only care to bed women, they’re techniques offer short term solutions.
If they are just techniques, yes. A method solving a math problem won’t transform you into a math genius. But learning the principals will. Same goes for attraction. To me, no matter what the lifestyle of PUAs is, techniques are just techniques – use one, have to find another one to proceed.
g)Peackocking isn’t necessary.
Never tried. I like wearing clothes that make me feel good in them and clothes I look good in them, as shirts. Shirt suit me. Would I wear a huge hat and high heels? Nope. But I don’t know if it’s actually working.
h)the PUA lifestyle is a lie.
Again, I wouldn’t know. I have my own lifestyle, which has nothing to do with being always at clubs, hitting on women. I never wanted that. I just know the theory, some techniques of the dating game in order to add women to my life and have fun and love and having my love returned. So, people don’t actually have to use what PUAs teach in order to have a string of hang-overs from a week full of clubbing. But whoever wants to do that, he’s free to do so. Oh and another thing. PUAs sell their stuff, get money and maybe, yes, they give them all away at clubbing and having fun. Most of us have to finish universities or work to gain money and use some of them on clubs.
i)the guy who wrote the article cleverly promoted his product, by safely eliminating the idea that other products work.
He might have. After all he wants people to use his stuff. Did that worked on me? Nope, I’m happy with what I know and have. But because he might tried to advertise himself, it doesn’t mean the article had utter lies in it.

So I agree at some parts of the article, at some I don’t. But it was indeed something different to read and I really want to see reactions.
And to dark est: there is nothing wrong with considering an article like this a good one. If you have a different opinion, elaborate, explain and don’t just characterize others because a different opinion contradicts your world theory.

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Bulldogg February 3, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Savoy has a great saying…”Change her mood not her mind”…if you follow that, you pretty much have a good road map for emotional connection…

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Joel February 3, 2009 at 8:59 pm

this is the worst critic i’ve read… the entire document is ridiculous but what i hated the most is when you said this:

“Certain techniques such as negs, heavy banter or heavy cocky/comedy only work on low self-esteem, insecure, very young or A.D.D. women.”

have you ever tried a neg on a HB, dude?
negs are specially adapted for high self-esteem girls, if a girl leave because of a neg she is sure a low self-steem girl.

and what is that that most PUA’s doesn´t like women.. you can´t do such a dumb generalization..

and finally, some parts of this article are completely stupid, and remaind me of some AFC words… for example, wtf does this stuff means?

“Learn how to place yourself in her shoes so that you can understand her world. By understanding her world, you will be able to navigate through her own emotional chaos and help her open up to you.”

my honest opinion of this article is that it completely sucks men… sorry if it hurts..

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fig3 February 4, 2009 at 2:27 pm

Those things shouldn’t be considerate as a PUA method flaws just because those things aren’t the goals of those methods! If wanna be a better man, have better relationship or etc etc… forget about, go try a different thing! PUA methods are all about the pickup. And on this, those methods, are great and works on every type of women, including “low self-esteem, insecure, very young or A.D.D. women.” thx God!

Sorry for my bad English
-Fig³ from brazil

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CaSa February 4, 2009 at 6:22 pm

It sounds A LOT with “Badboy Lifestyle”‘s stuff
the basics is all that matters..

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PUAvictim February 4, 2009 at 10:30 pm

I like this article to a point, coming from a woman (yes don’t be shocked) I am all for PUAs! The good ones of course. My boyfriend confessed that he was a PUA, and I have been intrigued and have researched more about the PUA community ever since. There are bad PUAs out there that give the community a bad name, but there are some like Steven Nash or Wayne Elise that give it value. My boyfriend bettered himself when he bacame a PUA and for that I am thankful, because I am benefit from it! :)

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Aspect February 5, 2009 at 2:17 am

snipe of an article. you basically summed up what it took me a year to learn :)

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Pele February 5, 2009 at 4:17 am

Wygant demonstrated what he know at the Mehow infield insider. This is just crappy marketing.

How many students David transformed from geek to successful seducer? Any evidence that is not just anecdote?

In despite of all negative marketing of jealous competition, Ross and Mystery have the most evidence that their methods are really working.

And, don’t get me wrong, I do not stand for Ross or Mystery, cause I think that there are better ways to grow your conversational, influential and life skills (for example bussiness NLP workshops, life coaching(NLP based), Actor classes, Yoga, Sedona method…)

Just, I don’t like this type of marketing from people that offer very little for high price (like Wygant).

Why to pay few thousands $ just to learn few basic conversational techniques and to hear advice -

“Hey, just have good posture, smile, firm handshake, be confident and be yourself”

If you like Wygant, and other so called “natural” teachers better pay me that money cause I gave you the summary of their workshops in the sentence above :)

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methodjkl11 February 8, 2009 at 8:38 pm

very well written article.. clearly very insightful and you’ve really thought this through.

though a lot of what you say is definitely true, i feel there is a slight under estimation of what real PUAs are. though i’m far from one myself, i know for a fact that, in order for the pick-up methods to truly work, a PUA must know pretty much all that you’ve stated there. Most aren’t shallowly throwing out the same exact material like a formula to pick up girls. Though it may work that way, true PUA’s conceptually understand the emotional and social interactions that must take place for a girl to become attracted to a certain point.

i would think a lot of what you say about truly attracting girls lies behind the thought within each method. The method just presents the raw actions, but surely a true PUA is not gonna mindlessly apply the methods. Surely, he must have an interalized philosphy very similar to waht you’ve stated.

but regardless, i’m not saying you’re wrong. you’re definitely right. great article

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Ninja February 17, 2009 at 10:46 pm

This dude is an arrogant, ignorant fucktard. How about models buddy. I’ve studied with ALL the PUA’s and I date successful women around the globe. Not what you imagine to be successful, but real women with real happiness that doesn’t take putting others down. You may con some, but this is sad. what you described was a fucken femenist looking for a dude to lick her shoes and kiss her ass.

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Lovechild February 26, 2009 at 1:38 pm

You Guys are Idiots!

Sure you get pussy thank on manipulative bullshit tricks, but you’ll never be feel real and never be a real man!

Once you got the right mindset you don’t need methods and techniques. But you guys are so attached to these method and techniques which are lower level stepping stone to being attractive which is what all PUA-tards are trying to be. That’s why naturals are naturals!

Go right ahead…KEEP ON BEING FAKE! (which is gonna fuck you up in long term sooner or later!)

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PUA victim February 27, 2009 at 7:11 am

First of all there is no need to call guys IDIOTS! Are you sure this isn’t a reflection you are talking about?
You have to really understand where many of these guys are coming from. Maybe these guys reaching out have been stepped on repeatedly in the past. They look to improve themselves not only on the outside but the inside. They are not all after one thing. A true relationship can come out of it trust me! If you don’t agree sorry. SHUT THE FUCK UP, nobody deserves to be called an IDIOT just because some people just don’t get it. Damn I hate it when I am a bitch this early in the morning! Girls, trust this girl when she says to give PUAs a chance.

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PUA victim February 27, 2009 at 7:16 am

Wrong website before sorry :)

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Brian March 2, 2009 at 10:33 am

Bullshit
All these so called “seductive techniques” and so on makes you empty.
Be real be yourself
c’monn guys these people make good money by manipulating the feelings of guys who want to get in the bed with hot babes.
Moreover they try to make a new person out of ourselves

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Nemo May 20, 2009 at 3:27 am

Although the Pick-Up scene is riddled with (relatively minor, in the scheme of things) flaws, it’s a pretty sound system. True. But…

… If you’ve not already realised the flaw of the whole thing, I’ll leave you to figure it out. I now enjoy watching PUA’s with a smirk on my face, and anyone I plant the seed of doubt in, I leave to figure it out. Perhaps I’m cruel, in my tight mouthed smugness. But unless they figure it, I’m not slipping a word. It’s my pleasure.

Also, There’s a reason why Erik (Mystery) will never be content, and, no, not because of his Bipolar.

And now I shall leave you to stew in your curiosities.

And, yes, I am a woman, and no longer in the seduction field.

x

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Ryan May 21, 2009 at 10:18 am

To Get back to the article, I completely agree, the information provided is the cornerstone and foundation of attracting women if you want to call it that. To use the ability to connect and approach women all you need is the ability to understand emotions and everything will work to your advantage. I’ve been releasing some videos helping out people hone their skills, feel free to sign up if you are interested. :)

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Lorus May 21, 2009 at 10:53 pm

The writer is an AFC with AFC’s believes.
I use the techniques and they work. These are also proven in many videos such as Key To the VIP and others

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Mike May 31, 2009 at 12:17 am

The true colors of people often come out only online or where they feel safe to vent. You can put on a show to get what you want because the tricks you added in… but you have to live the rest of your life knowing that deep inside you didn’t change much. You copied a behavior and adjusted it to what you think is you. Somebody says I found a solution and here’s what you gotta do and you go out and try it and now you think everything is better? Or somebody else comes along and challenges what you put your faith into and now you’re back on the defense? That picture of “Kosmo” says it all. There’s nothing honorable about putting up a show for anyone to get something because it’s FAKE. If most of your hopes are here you got a long way to go and might never fulfill your true purpose.

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Michael August 23, 2009 at 7:38 pm

This guy is in PUA denial. Look at the fluffy hat, the red kiss tattoo on his neck. How he is any different to mystery is, well, a mystery! How someone like that can tell me about being real and building genuine relationships is beyond me. He tells us to avoid all the methods and programs, then tries to sell his own. What a hypocritical loser. I don’t need gimmicks to online sale pitches to sell myself to strangers. My value is based on me being REAL and the skills and positive attributes I possess. Thank you and farewell to the PUA community. I learnt enough without this bullshit

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Donovan August 24, 2009 at 6:05 am

@Michael haha. That’s Cosmo from The Pickup Artist, not the author.

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Jon September 1, 2009 at 9:44 pm

I think what you’re trying to communicate here is that different things work for different people. I believe that there is no one perfect method to pick up girls an the guy who is able to combine all the methods smoothly together is the guy who will do best out in the field. I do disagree with you on your look on routines though. Once you look at what you communicate to people you realize that everything is already a routine. When we go up an meet new people we already have a set of questions that we want to ask them in our head. For example, how many times have new people asked you.. Do you live in the area? What do you do for a living? What school do you go to? Do you have any kids? What kind of music do you listen to? What did you do this weekend? Etc. We already instantly know all the answers to these questions because we’ve answered them thousands of times before.(Sound like a routine?) Just because you have a routine that differs from normal conversation doesn’t mean you’re lying it’s just another way to communicate to people with out asking them the same questions that everyone else asks them. Which I believe makes you a more interesting person in her eyes compared to the guy who asked her all the questions that she’s already heard before.

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Jon September 1, 2009 at 9:58 pm

Actually you know what I’m changing my mind this whole article is BULL. I just re-read it, all this go out an be who you’ve been all long crap doesn’t work. Have you actually tried the methods that people suggest or do you just try be be logical about them an come to the conclusion they don’t work? Logic means absolutely nothing when it comes to woman because if you think about it women are not logical an nothing really makes sense about them. It’s all about what works an what doesn’t work. All the people who agree with this article it’s clear they all haven’t tried any of the methods. I don’t know why you all are calling PUA’s fake. Becoming a PUA changes who you are, an just because someone changes doesn’t make you fake it makes you a new person. I don’t see whats wrong with people striving to better themselves. So my final thoughts are this whole article is bull shit, if you follow this technique girls will just look at you like every other boring loser that has tried to talk to them that night. If you don’t agree with what I’m writing an you haven’t gone out an tested PUA methods then please don’t comment because I’ve tried both methods an its obvious the PUA works 10x better than this be your natural self bullshit.

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Daniel September 10, 2009 at 5:22 am

PUA means all techniques involved seducing:

* inner game
* peacocking
* emotional spikes
* DHV & DLV stories
etc. etc. etc.

if you dont think these works where do you think the name peacocking comes from.. The animal world does things just like we do some even stronger.

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Ryu X January 5, 2010 at 2:47 am

5 words: “I believe in you David”

We in X Arts in the Philippines share the same philosophy with you. More power to you.

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Tony February 5, 2010 at 11:14 am

Nicely written David,

I’m really quite suprised that more people have’nt written something like you article.

I studied & executed god knows how many methods, after about a year got it all to work nicely.

PUA method are quite radical and somewhat unnatural, but with time they work.

Heres the thing, I doing stopped PUA, but even though I stopped
it still works, I’m not doing anything, I don’t try to pickup, I just changed for the better.

Does this mean you really have to be a PUA to become a natural ?

I think not, there is a clear route to natural directly and I believe even easier that learning to be a PUA.

So learn to be yourself, I takes real work, shape up your belief,
sharpen your ethos, be solid and finally understand yourself.

Cheers

Tony (formaly Space Invader)

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Amy May 1, 2010 at 12:08 pm

I like the statement ‘Women are a hobby.’ I think too that’s what women should think of men.

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jonas July 13, 2010 at 4:49 am

The negs work only when talking to a high-self esteem women, but this article says opposite.

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Donovan July 13, 2010 at 2:01 pm

I’d disagree. I’ve only seen negs work on LOW SELF ESTEEM women.

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johnathan January 5, 2012 at 11:09 am

You guys are idiots if you think this article is good in any shape or form. The author is obviously an AFC so many things wrong with the article i can’t even start.

“Negs works on low self-esteem women they’d laugh and walk away?” and then you say “By understanding her world, you will be able to navigate through her own emotional chaos and help her open up to you so she feels comfortable letting herself be seduced by you”
You must me retarded. Good look trying to bag a 10 in a bar with no type of neg/dlv/game and trying to make her “feel comfortable” before you even make her attracted to you. That my friend, is called the FRIEND ZONE.

Being a real PUA is having high self-confidence when you speak to women and understanding yourself and women, Its not just some “techniques” thrown around. It is for the GEEKS that try to learn PUA the WRONG WAY. That is why there are elements in PUA called natural game, inner game, and direct game. Which take reliance of rehearsed material and techniques and focus more on yourself.

Without the confidence, the “techniques” do not work, that’s why the first step of PUA that I would teach anyone is being confident in yourself and around others and the author fails to realize what PUA truly is.

Full proof techniques on social dynamics and female psychology that even telling someone about these techniques can give them a HUGE advantage in their pick up life. Your a fool for being so shallow that you think pua is merely stupid techniques that don’t work.

OH AND NEXT TIME, don’t make it so obvious that your trying to put down your competitors, and stronger competitors at that. You look desperate for credibility with no facts or logical basis and it also looks like your trying to scam a lot of people

I say grab a book and start reading and then maybe next time you go out to a social event you’ll have the 10 you’ve been staring at the whole night instead of sitting by the wall with your buddies drinking punch. good day -Suave

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