These men come from backgrounds with a lack of success. That doesn’t make them losers. In fact they attain the knowledge and burning desire out there to better themselves and improve their self value which is ultimately a successful and attractive quality to have. Take that away from them and we are left with nothing but a average acceptance of depression, vented frustration, loneliness, anxiety, the socially inept and ‘losers’. These aren’t the social norms we wish to have aimed for.

Now if you came from an angle of actually being a pickup artist you would know these things and during the process you would learn that respecting women, being truthful and being honest with them is the gateway to a much more socially graceful, successful and happy life style.

“Your Lovelife” said in a previous comment that “They also have killer housewives, killer supermodels, killer strippers, killer bus drivers” on the show. Though that is true. Do they have CSI killer script writers? because it seems to me that being a PUA is a very niche ‘market’ and if your going to pick on something so small why not broaden the prospective some more and pick on a CSI script writer. Till then, the things you are viewing on television are a complete fabrication on reality.

The backlash is awesome. I encourage it.

It allows pick up artistry to go underground again. That way only the hardcore PUAs survive. Society can then weed out the weak PUAs through social shaming. The creeps, the fakes, the try hards, and the bastards will be called out. A generational change in pick up artistry will occur where only the PUAs who are indirect approachers and long term thinking strategists will survive.

Bring it on. The game has changed. It’s a dynamic iterative system. Anyone who thinks the game is still contained in Strauss’s book or in PUA static tips from before the last two years is a dinosaur and will become extinct.

In which Mr. Neil Strauss takes a big part, continuously preaching that in order to meet girls you need to act as gay as possible.

Look for instance at the whole UFO phenomena. Recently, there has been more serious and intelligent investigation(anyone catch Peter Jenning’s last ever special before he died, on the subject of UFOS?) by mainstream media, but for the most part it is still surrounded by what is known as “the laughter curtain”.

You don’t need to actively censor anything. Just so control the imagery and the memes that when the subject is brought up, people dismiss it out of hand.

The community is far more often portrayed as something to laugh at than as being a genuine danger.

Just my two cents as someone who founded the community and who also has seen some pretty strange shit in the sky that I can’t begin to explain.

RJ
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“Cajole my lunch to the surface” is a nice euphemism for that, IMO.

But what is good is that PUAs are becoming increasingly publicized in the media.

This has to account for something.

Despite the fact that at the moment they attach associations of PUA’s with drop kick this could change in the future.

I think a new attitude needs to be taken to PUA’s. I guess women read the articles that they publish about how they slept with 3 women one night and then think that they are the enemy.

Its all these people who dont know anything about the PUA community at all making assumptions about it.

Its time that they get more educated.

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It seems that anything that’s perceived to help men cultivate and/or regain power, seems to be getting shunned nowadays.

Oh, and Scot, I threw up in my mouth when I saw that commercial…

… just saying… lol

Anyone who’s seen Dr. Phil with the Love Systems guys and RJ has also seen how the public could be swayed one way or another.

The only and best thing the PUA’s can do to keep the community alive is to not lose focus and stay true to their main objecive: To help guys successfully overcome their limitations and approach women. If they can do it successfully, and still be good people, they’ll be living testimony of everything the community stands for.

If you lose focus, just check out all the good energy the name “christian” carries in the US to see what a good idea gone bad can result in.

I am not a PUA, when I first heard of the community (through your book) I already was with my current gf. But since I’ve experienced problems approaching girls as much as anyone, I’ve become interested in the community too.

As someone who plays RPGs and a christian, I am no stranger to public misconceptions, coming from all possible sides of the spectrum.

Your Loverlife has made some very good points, an I would like to expand on them. TV shows aim at entertaining people. They cannot elaborate or go very deeply, specially if they only have one or two episodes to do so, as they do in the US. In Brazil, where I come from, the telenovelas (soap operas) spark public debate on many topics (from gay marriage to cancer, to human trafficking, to organ donation) by making characters experience those situations over many episodes. Since each soap can last anywhere from 4 to 9 months, there’s plenty of time for different ideas to come up and for the public to sympathise.

If a TV show only has one episode to show an issue, they need to rely on what the viewership already “knows” (also known as preconceptions) about said subject.

When people hear about a community of guys studying techniques to pick up women, the first idea that comes to mind is “artificial” “fake”. Even though men have being lying to women (and women to men) since times immemorial, nobody likes being lied to. That isn’t help by the geeky stereotype of the kind of guy who has no success at all with women.

Automatically, the PUA will be automatically associated with the Archetype (present in all of literature) of the man who seduces women to take advantage of them, but in a more “en vogue” version.

There isn’t some kind of witch hunt going on, just relax.

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Note the sponsor at the end.

On “Ugly Betty,” again, the PUA had to fit into that storyline somehow. The show takes place at a magazine, so it makes sense that Betty would interview the writer of a PUA book for an article for the magazine. Did the guy have to be such a dillweed? Well, it’s a comedy, so had he been as dull as dishwater, it wouldn’t have made for a great episode of comedy.

(You didn’t mention the episode of “Ugly Betty” from last season when her two beaus were at the club, attempting to see who could pick up more women in an hour, and they used several PUA techniques. There was a neg in there that both horrified me and made me laugh, hoping I never hear that one!)

I can’t comment on the other shows, but at least of the two you mentioned, I wanted to point out that what they did with PUAs was to fit them into their shows appropriately (drama and comedy respectively).

And finally, if the PUAs on the other shows came off badly, it might be because the writers watch “The Pickup Artist.” Yes, absolutely, the men who compete on the show seem to be genuinely transformed into cool people I’d date, but Mystery is a creep and a joke that my girlfriends and I laugh at, and there have been many nights we’ve played “Spot the PUA” thanks to all that goggle-headed nonsense. We try not to laugh because we know they’re trying, but in emulating a douche like Mystery, they just scream “I’m trying to get laid!” from across the room. If TV show writers have gotten some bad ideas, you just have to look at Mystery to see where they got them!

Can I, Neil, can I?

RJ
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Some food for thought…

Also the truth of these skill-sets cut both ways… For four years I’ve shared everything I’ve learned from all the PickUp artists and well… the way the mainstream is reacting is the same people initially react to the ideas if they are not presented in an appropriate context.

Perhaps this is a wake-up call to some of the teachers who pedal their products? As for an antidote, consider that David D and the Authentic Man Program teach about women being profoundly more perceptive and aware of the inner man beneath the outer man’s game running!

And consider that women who get swept away by the mystery “method” are obviously far less sophisticated and desirable than the ones who get swept away in the arms of men who go beyond “methods” and instead refine themselves to be completely congruent and authentic to the core!

Overall every teacher has something valuable to offer, it’s just that the teachings have to be filterd with good judgment and moral character… TV of course thinks they’ll never make money offering such a perspective.