The Truth Behind Wayne Elise & Charisma Arts
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Remember when instructors were dropping like flies over at Charisma Arts? Wayne Elise (Juggler) apparently had some personal conflicts that needed resolving. First, Christian Hudson, his co-founder and manager who left, then instructor after instructor for over 2 years. I got an ex-instructor Dimitri to write a small expose on what the inside story was.
Farewell to Juggler
It’s been almost a year since I ran the last public workshop as the dating instructor represented by Juggler and Charisma Arts.
I’ve served as my own manager ever since, and yet I still receive emails from people who ask me how come I’m no longer with Juggler’s company.
Recently things went a bit more public as a few online posts commented on the recurrent mysterious disappearances of Charisma Arts’ instructors (the posts were triggered by the split between Juggler and Dan, the instructor who had managed to stay with Charisma Arts the longest, almost from the beginning of the company.) It was counted that no less than twenty people vanished from Charisma Arts within the last two years.
Donovan asked me if I would like to comment. I agreed, but I needed a a little more time to think over what I should say. This is my belated attempt to share my view.
Having been at different times a Charisma Arts’ client, instructor-in-training, instructor, senior instructor, and finally having been banished from that company (like pretty much everyone else who came before me and a few people after), I believe I have deserved the right to form the opinion on the matter.
I keep in touch with some of the guys who had at some point associated with Wayne “Juggler” Elise. It’s true that many of them have the grudge against the man. I understand these guys all have personal reasons to feel the way they feel.
But I do believe they are not always being fair.
Great American thinker Joseph Campbell once remarked that when someone accuses us of being bad, what they usually mean is that we are not doing something they want us to do for them. No one is ever bad. Someone whose dark side I’ve had a misfortune to experience may be a great friend to someone else. As a businessman, I know I can’t please all the people who think they have better ideas of how I should run my business. I’ve experienced a questionable privilege of having to fire two of my own contract employees in the last couple of months, so I know sometimes things like that are inevitable.
I like and respect Wayne “Juggler” Elise. Please keep in mind that I’m saying this even despite, technically, having been bluntly discarded from Juggler’s company without any reasonable explanation, so I believe that coming from me such statement should gain additional value.
My life would have been very different if I hadn’t met Juggler.
A few years ago I hit the rock bottom. Lonely, emotionally drained, brought down by a bitter divorce, stuck in a lousy job, I was slowly killing myself with alcohol and two-three packs of cigarettes daily.
Today I own a successful business, keep in shape, and have a relationship with a great woman who not only motivates me to become better at anything I do, but understands and accepts the unique challenges imposed by my profession of a dating guru.
I feel I am finally living a meaningful life. I help men to meet women they deserve. I learn new things every day. I don’t smoke, and I only drink an occasional James Bond-ish martini when I’m hanging out at a night-game venue with my students.
I think I would have managed to put my life back together no matter what, but I would probably have much harder time doing so. The way it was, I have met Wayne “Juggler” Elise and became a Charisma Arts instructor.
My impression of Wayne Elise: his first and last name can be rearranged to spell “a senile yew”.
Just kidding. Seriously though, my impression of Juggler: the man believes in what he is teaching. I had never witnessed Juggler say or do anything that wasn’t one of the “Juggler method” techniques. He often seems to act goofy; sometimes he appears grim and detached from reality; and yet somehow he manages to blend these extremes into the elaborate, meticulously controlled seductive behavior projected at everyone and no one in particular. Charisma Arts disciples often try to imitate him. Most fail. You have to be the Juggler to be the Juggler.
I had never expected my collaboration with Juggler to last forever: on the very day when I became his independent contractor, Juggler had terminated his business association with the company’s co-founder Christian Hudson. Seeing Christian’s in a state of deep shock and bewilderment on that memorable evening prompted me to remain alert, and I promised myself to act as a true Buddhist and to not develop any attachments. I was with the company to do my job, not to take sides in any domestic conflict. As I kept teaching, I saw many instructors and business managers come and go. One day someone’s photo and bio would just suddenly disappear from the company website, and none of the remaining people would ever mention that person again. Eventually I suppose we all grew desensitized to an occasional vanishing act. (I’m not saying this wasn’t weird, I’m just saying after a while there wasn’t anything new about it anymore). That’s why it didn’t catch me by surprise when one evening (just a couple of days after a memo Juggler sent to everyone in the company, praising my performance as his top-earning instructor) I discovered that my photo and bio were no longer on Charisma Arts website, either.
Why do I keep teaching men how to meet women, even though Charisma Arts is firmly in my past?
I believe I have things to share. There are lives I can improve. That’s why on the next day after being cut off from Juggler’s agency, I’ve launched my enterprise that began rather academically as Modern Courtship, and is now transforming into GetATen. I do not expect my business to become a household name, and yet I’m pleased to see that many people find the stuff I teach useful.
I am grateful to Wayne Elise for making the choice that forced me to seek my own path. If he hadn’t fired me, I might have never found courage to “go it alone”. Now that I know how much fun it is to run my own business, what a gratifying experience it is to accept the undivided responsibility for my student’s happiness, I wouldn’t ever want to have it any other way.
I am grateful to Wayne Elise for having offered me the temporary alliance and for having motivated me to be useful to others. I think he is a talented man, and I know that he can achieve success in any endeavor he decides to pursue in the future. I remain friends with those of the current Charisma Arts instructors whom I met while working with that company. We meet and hang out together every once in a while when we have a chance. They are smart guys and I can see that they understand Juggler’s ideology very well. I do think Wayne Elise is charming, even in his mistakes, and I do believe Charisma Arts deserves more credit than it’s given. I think it’s a good place to start learning the dating basics.
I loved being a Charisma Arts instructor: riding my Ducati from city to city, staying in cheap hotels, watching my students gain skills and confidence with women. Now, on the other hand, my life consists mainly of riding my Ducati from city to city, staying in cheap hotels, and watching my students gain skills and confidence with women. Only these days I can set my students free from any brand-imposed limitation: I enjoy seeing them unpredictable and fluid as quicksilver.
Dimitri Vorontzov
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Comment by jaht on 6 October 2008:
so basicly we still dont know anything about the weird disappearing acts? wow great article……. he only talks about himself the title of this article is misleading.
Comment by Rob Overman on 6 October 2008:
Hey Dimitri, thanks for the post. I like and respect Wayne, too. One of the hard things for me about running a small business is that when people leave the company it is hard to not take it “personal,” even when it’s not meant that way. As VP of Charisma Arts, it is the hardest thing in the world to have to let someone go. No kidding, even though this is a fun job, those days are the saddest and we wish that even the people who don’t work for us anymore continue to thrive in what they’re doing. All I can hope is that the hard decisions made are the best for the clients that put their faith in us, the company and the hard-working and talented instructors that work for us. They are an awesome group of people and I am sincerely glad to have met each and every one of them.
If anyone out there reading this wants to find out “the truth behind Charisma Arts” feel free to email me and I’ll be glad to answer any questions you may have.
Comment by chev on 6 October 2008:
Although Dimitri seems like a nice guy with a good outlook on things, this article really doesn’t provide much useful information. Certainly not worthy of the claim: “I got an ex-instructor Dimitri to write a small expose on what the inside story was”.
Comment by Donovan on 6 October 2008:
I’ll get more info out of him…
Comment by chev on 6 October 2008:
You better!
*waves fist in the air*
Comment by Dimitri Vorontzov on 6 October 2008:
Gentlemen,
I’d like to confirm that Donovan is true to his word. I’ve just received his email, in which he promised to rip the truth out of me with the red-hot pliers.
Humbled by Donovan’s persistence, I feel obligated to write a comment, in which I’ll be even more relentlessly honest. The new revelation about Charisma Arts will astonish humankind. The problem is, I’ve been teaching a bunch of guys today for what seems like a few centuries in a row, and right now I can’t seem to come up with anything coherent. I badly need a few hours of sleep.
I assure you that the comment I intend to publish after I wake up will contain blinding and terrifying truth.
Best,
Dimitri Vorontzov
http://www.GetATen.com
Comment by AlphaWolf on 6 October 2008:
Donovan you can get a more ugly looking picture of Juggler! Come on!
Drama or not he’s brought a lot of knowledge to the community.
Comment by Donovan on 6 October 2008:
That’s from his official blog, wow, take up your personal gripes with Juggler himself if you don’t like the way he looks. Harsh man.
Comment by Gambler on 8 October 2008:
We have never lost a member of the support or training staff. My good friend and one of our founding trainers took a massive paying job in Shanghai and everyone else is still around.
It’s a good job, people like it, and really the only reason for people leaving is personal conflict, greed on one side or another, big egos clashing, etc. You need to look after your staff otherwise how will you look after students?
Comment by Jordan Harbinger on 13 October 2008:
Likewise. Even with one of the largest staff in the industry, The Art of Charm crew is super tight. Partly because we all live and work together, but even moreso because of the ultra-high quality of individual we bring into the organization.
-Jordan