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1. 

   Comment by Ares on 8 August 2008:

   Well, Mehow is clever at marketing.
   That said, Mehow’s products are always good. His Infield Insider series is the best PUA product in my opinion, specially if he continues to get some of the heavy weights in his episodes in the future.
   This seems like a good product too, it sounds good to me.
2. 

   Comment by Ced on 8 August 2008:

   Yep, his products are always good.

   In the last podcast of Thundercat with Sinn, Sinn talked about that new product around the end (2h28). I quote:
   “He really takes social interractions down to the next level and it’s very very well put together in order to know what you should be thinking and trying to convey as you’re doing this. I actually think it’s a pretty revolutionary product”

   Sinn also sent a mail rencenly to his list:
   “Mehow put on a presentation where he broke down a new type of
   attraction. Group Attraction. As a long time teacher in the dating
   science industry, I have been annoyed many times when students,
   don’t pick a “target” in each group. My thinking was, they have to
   know who to tease, and try to isolate etc.. Well after Mehow’s
   presentation, I realized that not only was that wrong, it wasn’t
   what I had been doing. Savoy and I even used to joke about
   swapping targets as many times as we could in each group.”

   Donovan, you don’t like Mehow, that’s obvious. You even try to make us forget that there were negative AND positive comments at the previous post on mehow you’re talking about (negative comments comming from people who have not read his material, and flamed a product that wasn’t even on sales yet).

   YOU are bias. So, I can understand that you don’t want to take time to look into that produc, that’s your right. Bu it just seems so wrong to make it look like Mehow sucks and everyone agrees when it’s far from it.

   And I would trust Sinn on that.
3. 

   Comment by Art Bell on 8 August 2008:

   The thread talked about got rated 8/10

   A HUGE RATING for that site

   I think it was jazzed up by his pals or maybe the site. He is too new to get such a vote.

   My vote is that there is something FISHY
4. 

   Comment by Donovan on 8 August 2008:

   Excuse me Ced. Did I attack Mehow in that post? No. I expressed my opinion about Sargenation, not Mehow.

   Learn comprehension skills before sucking Mehow’s dick.
5. 

   Comment by Ares on 9 August 2008:

   Haha. Have you heard the Thundercat’s interview with Sinn too?
   Fucking hillarious.

   “I don’t think Matador was posing for the camera as much as adjusting the tape on his wig.”

   Most entertaining interview ever
6. 

   Comment by Ced on 9 August 2008:

   Donovan > Amazing, that’s a really clever comment.
   Keep up the good work.

   You know you attacked Mehow in your two posts… you just do it in a sneaky way, so you can claim you didn’t attack him. You know it
   And since you are the man behind this website, you shouldn’t do this kind of stuff if you didn’t take the time to really look into his stuff, or into any “guru’s” stuff for that matter. It’s just a mix of basic respect and common sense.

   Ares > Clearly the most entertaining ever. I just loved that interview.
7. 

   Comment by Donovan on 9 August 2008:

   In a side sort of way, but nothing that I wouldn’t do to others.

   I think the biggest difference is that I didn’t shamelessly plugged a product saying that it’s the greatest product in the world and the international date line will self implode because of it’s awesomeness.

   It was much less to do with Mehow than a “review” that pissed me off.

   
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   Comment by Ced on 10 August 2008:

   But you don’t seem to understand that once your payment pour Group Attraction has been accepted, woman come to you. And as soon as you get the package, they sleep with you.

   Ok, SargeNation isn’t really honest here, they are obviously trying to create more hype around a product than the guru itself… and that’s an understatement.
9. 

   Comment by Thread on 11 August 2008:

   Sargenation sucks…

   Mehow is a good PUA, but IMO not the best teacher…

   RSD is where its at…

   Ced needs to read articles better

   Donovan you are the man

   Peace
10. 

    Comment by Donovan on 11 August 2008:

    @Ced I’m buying it.
11. 

    Comment by Ced on 11 August 2008:

    I think it’s too late
12. 

    Comment by T on 12 August 2008:

    D,

    Thanks for never posting a crappy review like this and for keeping this site in check. If you ever wrote something like that I would be gone in a heart beat! I check your site nearly every other day FOR REASONS as you stated..And because of that I would be more inclined to click on a product link on your site then some dumb ass affiliate link on SARGESUCKNUTS.com…People can smell bullsh*& a mile away…

    Ced can kiss Mehow’s balls all he wants and yap away but he still clicks on this site…That says it all right there
13. 

    Comment by Bobby Rio on 12 August 2008:

    i get what you are saying.. but i think its a little unfair to attack sargenation for their review.

    i know that i wrote a strongly positive review for mehows ifield exposed dvd after he sent me a copy to review. while i personally have mixed feelings about mehow… i thought the dvd set was a great way to learn as it mixed infield videos with lecture about what he was doing and why he did it…. i showed it to a few non comunity friends and they found it interesting as well.

    as website owners we all right reviews for products… i dont think its really fair to call out someones motives.. unless of course you want someone to call out your motives for every post you write.

    that being said.. i turned down mehows request to promote group attraction.. im personally just not interested in watching or reviewing it.
14. 

    Comment by Donovan on 12 August 2008:

    Right on Bobby. It wasn’t the fact of if they wrote a review, but it was clearly just so biased. That was my beef. Other than that, Sargenation is ok.
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    Comment by Ced on 12 August 2008:

    T, 12 years-old wrote:
    > [...] I check your site nearly every other day [...]
    > SARGESUCKNUTS.com [...] Ced can kiss Mehow’s balls all
    > he wants and yap away but he still clicks on this site…
    > That says it all right there

    Ah T, you are so mature, and your comment about the fact that I “click” is has so nothing to do with all of that.

    What should we do with you? You still have so much to learn about basic human behavior Good luck with the process, I guess it has to be done before reading Seduction-Chronicles every other day
16. 

    Comment by Ced on 12 August 2008:

    I don’t even know why I try to stay polite

    … probablement parce que je ne me sens pas capable de me rabaisser à ce niveau de débilité. Qui sait…
17. 

    Comment by MikeStoute on 12 August 2008:

    We’ll since Sarge Nation is a Digg clone, it kind of makes sense that the whole site is biased in general. Digg is run by its users and I am sure sargenation could be run that way, but I highly doubt it is due to its general popularity on the internet.

    I just browsed up to 5 pages back from the first story. Not one story had less than 3 Votes? Just seems a little fishy.

    If you also notice, that the Mehow post you mention (written by the owner of SN) has more votes than any of the stories in the 119? (5 pages x 17 stories a page)

    @Donovan
    So is it really just the review that’s biased? or the whole system?
    I have been in the internet game since 1998. IMO, the numbers just don’t add up and the system just seems like a RSS re-feeder that is steeling excerpts from everyone else and trying to spring off of them (us).

    Same thing with puablogs (except they flat out steel your content by taking the entire post)

    PeteTheFreshman (my right hand tech guy) wants to send them a cease and desist. lol

    My Jew Cents…
18. 

    Comment by Scot McKay on 13 August 2008:

    I don’t think it’s accurate to say that SargeNation is stealing content.

    It’s simply a blog aggregation engine, operating similarly from the mechanical sense as, say, GrowYourGame.com

    The content that is featured, ours included, is there with the full blessing of its respective authorship. Votes are user-driven, although I have no idea how many collective votes the Sargenation staff has to vote their own organic posts up with.

    The simple solution is to get a username and vote for the posts you’d prefer to see get a higher vote.
19. 

    Comment by Donovan on 13 August 2008:

    Grow Your Game seem to be in the midst of updating. Can’t wait to see what it looks like.
20. 

    Comment by MikeStoute on 13 August 2008:

    blog aggregation is one thing… but when say 90% of your site is other peoples content (which is CACHED on your domain) and you are running ads against it? I call it steeling.
    If these sites were citing articles and they were say 30-50% of their total content, then maybe it’s being done ethically.
    Grow your game?
    http://www.growyourgame.com/story/Matador_Teaching_how_to_Approach_a_Seated_Two_Set_part_2_A_Modern_Mens
    Comes up with the Pligg software, Digg Clone…

    @Scott
    as an author you are defending this practice? All authors I know hate when people do this sh*t to them?

    “The simple solution is to get a username and vote for the posts you’d prefer to see get a higher vote.”

    Do you own one of these???
21. 

    Comment by Scot McKay on 13 August 2008:

    Mike, I’m not exactly following your question.

    I haven’t known Sargenation to take my content and claim it as theirs. Every headline on there that points to a piece of mine directs to my site fairly enough.

    Theoretically, if someone were to take my content (or any other virtual property, for that matter) and run it without credit that would be stealing and it goes without saying that no author is going to be happy about that.

    Incidentally, the page that loads on the root domain at sargenation.com is actually the “popular” list. If you open the “upcoming” tab, you’ll see the other submissions that have one or two votes. Three votes is the magic number on Sargenation.
22. 

    Comment by Jason on 13 August 2008:

    I was a little hesitant to write here as I’ve never gotten involved in the bickering in the Seduction Community or really cared what other people think of my stuff or what they do with their own blogs but I felt that some things need to be clarified about SargeNation.com

    SargeNation was created as a free service to benefit both readers and blog owners by giving them one place to share the most interesting content in one place.

    Readers benefit because not only can they find a variety of different blogs with great content that have been voted up by it’s users but they can also bookmark each story and store their favorite bookmarks in their profile for later reference…. that’s kind of the point of a social bookmarking site, which is exactly what SargeNation is.

    Blog owners and webmasters benefit from having a headline of their story and a small summary (usually a few sentences, NOT 90% of the story) posted on the site which brings in traffic directly to their site because all of our links link out directly to YOU! Most blog owners have thanked us for the amount of traffic we’ve sent that they otherwise wouldn’t have seen.

    The concept is similar to Digg.com which was started as a place to bring together stories about technology in one place so that users could vote for the stories they like best and can also use it as a way to bookmark and track those stories.

    We set out to offer a similar service for this community. The topic of our content is all related to Dating Advice For Men.

    GrowYourGame.com has had similar services to this in the past, and we’ve maintained a friendly relationship with them and commend every other website owner out their who is adding value to this community by creating new ways for users to read and share content.

    As for the Mehow product review… We get dozens of requests to review products and we’ve only written about the few products that are unique and innovative. I’ve checked out a ton of products that are crap and I don’t mention them on our blog.

    I think Mehow’s product is brilliant, he’s offering a way of teaching pickup that’s never been done before and I think it’s great.

    But that’s MY OPINION and I have the right to state that on my blog, just the way you all have the right to state your opinion on your own blog. I don’t necessarily agree with some of the products other people promote, or other gurus they host articles for but that’s the beauty of all this. We can all have a different opinion, but we all have one goal in mind, and that is to help Men maximize their game in the best way possible.

    I think everyone on this comment thread has provided great value to this community and I respect your opinion and commend you for you’re ongoing commitment to changing people’s lives.

    Warm Regards
    Jason
    SargeNation.com
23. 

    Comment by MikeStoute on 13 August 2008:

    I am no talking about sargenation in particular.

    Just blog aggregation in general. Forget about the credit and stuff…

    IMO

    “when say 90% of your site is other peoples content (which is CACHED on your domain) and you are running ads against it? I call it steeling.
    If these sites were citing articles and they were say 30-50% of their total content, then maybe it’s being done ethically.”
24. 

    Comment by Cedric on 13 August 2008:

    Google is providing us with websites names, websites description, links to the websites, a way to search them with keywords, …

    Isn’t Google also stealing ???

    That just nonsense, Sargenation is a way to promote what you write, and it’s not stealing since it links to the author’s blogs and they don’t take any credit for these blog entries.

    I just cannot see why some of you have issues with it

    When you write a blog entry, you want people to know about it and read it (on your own blog, of course). SargeNation is a tool that helps you achieve that.
25. 

    Comment by Cedric on 13 August 2008:

    And in case you don’t know it, the blogs have an RSS (xml file with articles details and summary/description) for that specific use, and also for visitors who want a way to keep track of the new entries.

    A blog owner can disable this feed if they don’t want an aggregator to make their content known to a larger public.
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    Comment by MikeStoute on 14 August 2008:

    @cedric

    No offense, but you obviously don’t know what I am talking about and the fact that you even compare the concept to Google demonstrates your internet education level (no offense), and at this point I am to tired to explain it again. Read above and maybe you will see what I am talking about. This isn’t about saregnation, the discussion went to blog aggregation and how it’s used on sites; owner and user generated content and the validity of their rankings among their own content.
27. 

    Comment by Ced on 14 August 2008:

    1. My internet education level is just fine, it’s my job.
    2. I didn’t compare it to google technically, or not even functionaly or conceptually. You didn’t understand (obviously) that I just compared the fact that Google don’t provide their own content, but content written from others. And it’s not stealing. SargeNation, or any other aggregator, is NOT stealing anything, it just provides a service for site which provide content.
    3. You talked about the validity od the rankings… I didn’t and I don’t have/want/need to, I was just commenting on the “stealing” part, nothing else. You shouldn’t use that to make it look like I don’t understand, it’s just manipulative.
28. 

    Comment by MikeStoute on 14 August 2008:

    TNW: So are there legal reuses of RSS feed material?

    Sunstein: No. Well, the longer answer is, yeah, maybe. It gets to be possible, but a lot of people put content on the Internet and expect it to be protected by copyright. You don’t need notice of copyright. You haven’t since Jan. 1, 1978. If you publish without a notice, it doesn’t mean stuff isn’t protected. If I put my stuff on the Internet without notice, I can still sue if someone redistributes my RSS feed.

    Some of these rules are still vague. For instance, Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) Latest News about Google saves pieces of Web sites for their searches so that when you search, you can find a snapshot of a page in time. Are they allowed to do that? This hasn’t been litigated.

    http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/exclusives/44364.html

    @Ced I guess you missed this part at your job The hammer is coming, it’s just taking the legal system time to catch up… (and I say this with all due respect)

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