Wow! RSD Nation Seriously Loves Alex’s Video (& Bans Those Who Don’t)

July 16th, 2008 • Donovan • Related • Filed Under •

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RSD Nation

I don’t know about you guys, but Alex (Real Social Dynamics executive coach) thought the video he uploaded was “natural game”. What am I missing?

From the RSDNation forums:

Alex said:

Guys… i would interested what you think of this.

This is an example of the blueprint in action. But an extreme example of how natural game works.

I want to know what guys in the forum think of when they see this.

Do you think im shit? do you think the girl was drunk? Do you think i paid her?

Im interested in honest opinions from everyone.

RSD Nation Responses:

You’ve gotta have real guts to do that! Hahaha damn
The girl didn’t seem drunk ..
If you had been starting to makeout that easily it would have been sick

Great stuff

I think some of the guys in the other post were confusing what a drunk girl acts like with what a girl who is intimidated acts like. I thought it was a good example of how a girl gets dominated by a strong reality in an instant.

Like Tyler said in the Blueprint, like the kid taking the cookie - you saw, you went for it.

Your peacocking was fabulous, definitely gave you great social proof.

Looks to me that you have some serious skill in inner game. That’s blueprint style for you. I honestly think she just put up her anti-slut and tried to avoid any kind of sexual ordeals. Women go to gay bars to not get hit on (at least my sis does)

It looks like you are fully in state, and you are saying whatever you want.

It looks like you have the belief you can say whatever you want, because you’ve done it hundred times before.

It looks like the girl is attracted to your booming tonality, possibly your accent, and your random questions which probably confuse her little bit.

Its not spectacular, but it looks like this is something that you can consistently do, and its not a technique, its your internal belief that you are the man.

Hahaha. Dude. Dude. I can’t believe people are saying anything negative about this. It’s just too far outside some people’s reality I guess.

Wow, that confirmed my beliefs in how the blueprint works. The just doing, intent and selfamusement are very good visible. It doesn’t even matter to me what the outcome was, it looks like you just do what you want. That’s freedom.

Howwwwww can you open LIKE THAT ??? and she actually stops !!! That shit is still beyond my reality.

Bringing the party, acting through his own intentions, congruent with the self. That’s all I saw.

Haha some of you guys are huge dorks. Stop looking at the girl’s reaction, start looking at the place Alex is coming from, and his consistency in it. That’s what it’s all about.

I see RSD.

This video has just illustrated that RSD is NOT part off the community anymore.

Community shows you how to model a cool guy. - - - > Botton Pushiing

RSD TRANSFORMS you in the COOLEST MOTHERFUCKER around. - - - - > Self Amusment Deluxe.

I expected this controversy for the video, vast majority of RSD still way to plugged into the “community” and its just not compatible. Look, you really must ask yourself: “Do I want to learn Pickup? Or Pickup 2.0?”

Definitely doing whatever the fuck you want. Definitely not caring what anyone else thinks of you. So much that you’ll put your nuts on the line to all of us out here at RSDNation.

Homeboy below said it right — Self Amusement Deluxe. DELUXE.

Definitely an inspiration. But I won’t be throwing apples into cars ;P Actually I might do that too.

PEACE. Much love mate.

A Member Is Banned For Remarks

Sanity got into a debate over Alex’s video with the RSDNation members…

Sanity

Opener was okay, you shocked and awed her
She put her arm around you, good sign
BUUUT
You fooked it up by mis calibrating, she looked pretty intimidated at that
Then she takes her arm off you and in her face is a little scared

I’m sure you plowed but to me, not a very good video… Cajuns was better

Then a backlash by Mayhem (Over 1000+ post member)

This is why you need more video’s Alex. So people can see the TRUTH. Shut the haters up.

Sanity replied:

I’m not expecting anyone to pull ponies out their ass. I’m talking vibe, and Alex’s vibe here was piss poor.

I don’t judge a man’s game by one video, i’ve heard good things about alex, but i gotta give my honest opinion.

Then in response to someone else, Sanity says:

It’s all conditioning. If it’s one thing that RSD know best, it’s knowing how to condition a bunch of people into associating them with all things good.

Now instantly when people see this, they’ll think “Oh well you’re just a hater or negative.” Maybe I am.

But have you ever considered that your perception is tainted through conditioning? Think about it, it’s a very short video that doesn’t show much other then a miscalibrated conversation that ANYONE could of done.

Naturally people are going to defend the person with the status and the association, it’s always going to be this way.

I see this shit all the time when im out, with guys who DONT get laid. This is there approach. Does it mean that Alex doesnt get laid? Nope. It simply means… show me something ABOUT YOU. About what you bring into this company, convey who YOU really are and what YOU really do. This short video doesnt cut it.

NOW BANNED

Other Guys on RSDNation Not Impressed

Ummm, what am I missing? Why is this impressive?

I see basic drunk frat guy ballsy dominance, but I don’t see her going DDB. I don’t necessarily even see any real attraction on her part. She seems like shes nervous and uncomfortable. I definitely don’t sense attraction here. Maybe some tolerance and some curiosity at best…

Is this you Alex?

Maybe video is just too short?

Blueprint in action? Seems a contradiction to say that whilst at the same time polling the entire forum for their thoughts when one of Blueprint’s core credos is not caring what anyone thinks?!

Overall I don’t think it looks that great. Like’s been mentioned if it was anyone else claiming it was a ‘pick up’ from that small segment they would’ve been ripped. Alex’s having a good time, looks confident, but if I didn’t know better I’d say it just looks like the brand of good-time-confident every drunk party-guy out of a weekend does.

Still, as one of Alex’s colleagues says, great pick-up looks pretty bland and text book when you see it, no fireworks coming out your ass, so maybe the guy’s kind of a victim of his own success: we expect to see more, when what we do see is maybe enough.

And what I see that didn’t ‘gel’, and is maybe the pertinent point, is the ease with which she put her arm round him which was at odds with her face and the rest of her body language (guarded hand in front of her chest). She looked less than happy when she comfortably slid her arm round him again seconds later and seemed to be warming, smiling but by the end just looked disinterested again.

So overall it didn’t look that great to me on first impression but was intrigued with the ‘face saying one thing, arm doing another’ behaviour I noted.

Honest Assessment:

If somebody outside of the community posted this video as an example of a great PUA, the majority of the board would criticize it. Not because it was bad, but the sample size was small (1 video/ 51 seconds). Nothing really happened on video except for SUB-COMMUNICATION. Which is my new favorite word. I’m using it when I hit the bars Thursday night.

However, If an RSD Instructor posted it, they will mostly praise it and point out sub-communication and refer to stuff that happened once the camera’s are off. And find every possible way to put a positive as opposed to negative spin on the video.

Honest Assessment:

Anyone with balls, confidence, camcorder and a friend could go make the same video this upcoming weekend. But I guess that is the point, you have balls and confidence, thus….

What? This girl just looks sort of nervous, like a caged animal. Shes had a really loud dude stop her, and another dude shove a camera in her face… so she’s playing along. I’m dumbfounded anyones impressed by this. ?!?

My Take

Sure, it’s fun to go out and act like a jackass at times and not give a crap of the outcome. However, being like that does not mean you have “natural game” or have rock solid “inner game”. Usually, those who have to act super extroverted have major insecurities about being themselves.

Case in point: Celebrities. Those that are very loud and attention seeking but whose personal lives are a mess. eg. Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Andy Dick. Celebrities that are dignified and hold their own have great relationships and usually do great things with themselves. Tom Hanks, Jerry Seinfeld, Adam Sandler.

My point being: just because your “loud” and “dominant” doesn’t have anything to do with inner game and confidence.

Like my new favorite commenator, John, said:

“Oh, I see, I get it now: He who drinks is a bozo and a chode but he who acts 100% drunk but without drinking is a deep philosopher and a natural?”

Wake up guys. Let’s get back on track.

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There Are 17 Responses So Far. »

  1. Comment by Thread on 16 July 2008:

    I definatly think that Alex’s videos were obscure…

    However, I wouldnt really use this as a reflection of RSD as a company.

    Most of the RSD Instructors I deeply admire and respect.
    All I know is Tim, Ozzy, Jeffy, Hoobie and Tyler are great teachers and proof of this is RSD Transformations…

    Alex, however, I dont know much about, and from the videos so far, dont care to…

    Stop the hate,

    Weve wasted so much time focusing on Alex’s (poor) approaches when we could be focusing on material thats actually going to help us all improve…

  2. Comment by Donovan on 16 July 2008:

    Thread thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, I have to believe this is a reflection of the RSD community based on reactions for forum members and severe actions taken by moderators.

    On a side note:

    There’s no problem with wasting time on this kind of stuff.

    I have over 400+ posts FILLED with great material that you can access by searching or browsing through the site’s navigation (top right under Paul Janka’s book).

    You have to CHOOSE to participate in these types of discussion and I’m glad to mix it up occasionally with this crap.

  3. Comment by Yojoe on 16 July 2008:

    Wow. That Alex guy is a real piece of work.

    Since when did acting like an arrogant, loud-mouthed, crass fool become the equivalent of being an ‘alpha male’? Seriously.

    I’d like to see this bizarro behavioural version of ‘alpha maleness’ acted out in environments where there are individuals who would physically destroy these guys for acting the way they do e.g. biker bars, military bars etc.

    Or better yet, try acting like this in classy environments e.g. premier events, the ballet, art galleries. They’d be booted out in a second for being uncouth neanderthals.

    Makes me think the Alex and his ilk only run game for lower middle class males and drunken frat boys.

  4. Comment by Amused on 16 July 2008:

    You missed the thread where Alex originally posted this. There was a discussion of Cajun’s Keys to the VIP performance on RSDNation. Alex said it was crap, “ewww”, things like that. Someone asked Alex if he had any better infield video, and this is what he responded with. When Tyler and co returned from vacation in Africa, they deleted the thread. Did anyone bother to save a copy?

  5. Comment by TightGame on 16 July 2008:

    Not giving a shit about the outcome or her approval (or any type of social approval) is a a key component to natural game. Some will say that this is borderline sociopathic. Personally, it’s a character trait I admire.

    RSD’s philosophy is that you immunize yourself to social pressure and rejection by going out and putting yourself in these types of situations- they are in a gay bar after all. Either you are indifferent enough to social pressure to have fun in this type of situation or you aren’t. And if you aren’t, you still have work to do de-douching your core personality…

    In the last year, Tyler has been influenced a lot by Tim, and the company’s philosophy now is that getting to this level of social indifference is something that needs to click before worrying about about social skills and calibration.

    To a certain extent RSD is on a collision course with much of the community because they are going after this “identity-level shift” concept, after which the skill-set takes care of itself through time in the field. The mainstream community is still very much skill-set oriented.

  6. Comment by Sanity on 16 July 2008:

    RSD’s philosphy and genius plan is to condition people to associate them with greatness. Their concepts aren’t just to teach, they are weapons too.

    Think about it. IF you look at any video you could say, his being in the moment and being self amusing. This allows people to drop their standards on instructors and gives RSD less work for more money. They are designing it this way. It is masterful conditioning. It’s the same with the termonolgy, think about the word chode, sure its means a guy whos lame but you automatically associate RSD using that word. everything associates RSD to supperior and “You just dont get the picture.”

    They tell you that they know something that you dont know, kinda like the secret. So it makes people stay faithful and loyal so they can find out what RSD know. But what they don’t tell you that their methods are flawed for a reason. They are flawed to make you come back for more.

    Notice anyone who defends RSD and you will see someone who is brainwashed.

    They get away with pumping your state and doing as little as possible for 2+ grand.

  7. Comment by Donovan on 16 July 2008:

    Welcome Sanity.

    @TightGame “Not giving a shit about the outcome or her approval (or any type of social approval) is a a key component to natural game. Some will say that this is borderline sociopathic. Personally, it’s a character trait I admire.”

    I can see your view on that, but there is one MAJOR flaw in your argument. It’s social calibration. Approval is when you are seeking validation. Just because you act in a socially responsible way and fit in doesn’t mean you are “seeking validation” from society.

    Why don’t we punch random people on the street? It’s social calibration. You don’t do things like that. Are you seeking approval because you don’t succumb to every whim of your carnal brain? We’re learning how to be good with women, not turn into a jackass in the process.

  8. Comment by Savoy on 16 July 2008:

    Interesting. Not close enough to the situation to comment, and I’m not sure how Cajun (www.LoveSystems.com/Cajun) gets sucked into this. I do know that on http://www.TheAttractionForums.com, users are allowed to criticize whoever the heck they want and to speak their mind, including about Love Systems or other sponsors of http://www.TheAttractionForums.com.

    I guess people can check it out for themselves. Cajun’s Keys to the VIP appearance is on this other post.

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  10. Comment by DC on 16 July 2008:

    hate to say it but thundy was right all the time.
    rsd is operating like a cult..who don t praise them and their leaders gets banned.

  11. Comment by Clarence on 17 July 2008:

    This is hilarious. its clear that alex just acted like a complete bozo, any defence on his part is merely done so that they can sell more products. Again, if alex was actually giving advice out for free, this would’ve been none of our business but the truth is, hes sucking money, thousands of dollars from people and then teaching them how to look like an idiot. This is absurd, then again, i dont buy products from them, so who am i to judge right?

  12. Comment by Pyro on 17 July 2008:

    Ah its fairly shit how much negativty has exploded from one sub thirty second video.

    I’ve taken a bootcamp with the guy and he is fucking insane at PU. Results and demos prove it. This video simply demonstrates the not giving a fuck attitude that he has in field. That’s IT. It’s not supposed to be some step by step guide of how-to-get-girls.

    I’m not suprised there are haters but I am suprised at how quickly it spread over the net… WTF?

  13. Comment by Sinsational D on 17 July 2008:

    I think the whole community has become a dick measuring contest. Thats what I thought of Alexs video. Hes basically saying ’hey look at me! look at our way! look at the RSD way motheruckers!! haha!! I can act like a jack-ass on camera’’ As far as this being a pick-up attempt, how can you even compare this to Cajuns video of Keys to the VIP?

    Cajun got the numbers of 3 hot girls, Alex made a girl look confused and afraid. Sure he asserted his reality but what good is that if the girl gets intimidated? Im not a huge fan of routines and lines, etc but at least Cajun had some finess and got the job done.

  14. Comment by Dennis on 23 July 2008:

    Wow…look at the heated debate! I can point out a number of things from all that happened here…

    1) The video itself. If Alex’s goal was to prove ultimate self-amusement, indifference to outcome and approval? Well…he did. Only thing is…his ‘push & pull’ strategy got the girl looking scared (VERY uncomfortable/confused/affraid). I will not judge his entire game by a less then a minute video though, because I can also have one shaky set or evening for that matter…but this one particular approach was VERY shaky. Hence the reactions. If his goal was to top Cajun? Then he didn’t: ZERO closes vs. THREE closes.
    But about Alex’s attitude towards other guru’s? You’re a professional, seriously, leave the ‘dick measuring’and/or jealousy at home because trying to convey YOUR unique selling points is one thing, but badmouthing others in the industry to do it? Another. Being anonymous with the badmouthing by speaking in general terms, hmm…well allright, but calling people out by their product/business and real names and how they suck and why their stuff doesn’t work because of this and that? I see a trend going on where it’s being done more often amongst guru’s nowadays. The victims? PUAs, BEGINNING ones who need the most practise and help especially, and that’s a damn shame, it makes me angry.
    2) Forum moderation. I don’t know about the conditioning/brainwashing part, but seriously: banning loyal customers/forum users who didn’t use foul language or displayed bad behavior…just because if their criticism on a certain video? Talk about bad publicity, let alone the ’stalinistic’ traits it has…maybe they should invent a new seduction term for it: We teach you the CSP (the CenSorship Program). NOT cool. If I were them? I would ask the money I spent on RSD back.
    3) The company in general. Bad move made by Alex, even WORSE move made by the forum moderators, but that Tim fella has some skills…and as such I won’t talk their entire business down. If however, I hear of other events going on with them such as this one? I will recommend NOT visiting/using RSD to everyone out there that I help and my peers in the game.

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  16. Comment by kurt on 29 September 2008:

    yeah… it’s funny. Alex makes one 51 second video… and it stirs your feathers for months.

  17. Comment by Donovan on 1 October 2008:

    nice try…

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