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   Comment by Mission PUA on 25 June 2008:

   I completely agree with your article, I would just like to add that we should want to be healthy for ourselves and not just to impress women. Women do not care how we look, but when you are taking care of yourself and are healthy, you feel good. When we are feeling good, we are more confident and confidence is whats sexy and attractive.

   You can see that in all the womens answers that none of them were judging the men on there looks, they just notice that the men we’re not happy with themselves and it showed in how they presented themselves and how they performed.
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   Comment by Kevin (ReturnToManliness) on 25 June 2008:

   What an amazing article. This is inspiring. First, you put the reader in state of mind that is ready to accept the information. Then you deliver it with the perfect line at the end. No need to tell folks how to get an Adonis body - we all know how to do this. What we lack is motivation and you provided it right here. No seven steps to the perfect workout. No motivational crap…just the cold hard facts of how we feel when it matters the absolute most for every man between the ages of 18 and 50.

   I am inspired and if for no other reason than what you just wrote, it is worth every drop of sweat. Thanks for the post
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   Comment by Wilson on 26 June 2008:

   Another nice article, I think it is just natural to feel shy about this things especially if it is first time but I do agree with you though on the working out part. Thanks for sharing
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   Comment by Brad on 26 June 2008:

   I’ve got to be honest… this is DEF coming from feelings that I’ve had in times past… when I wasn’t keeping myself where I needed to be.

   However, as things changed, I noticed a BIG difference in the way I approached women and sex…
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   Comment by Single Mom Seeking on 26 June 2008:

   Just found you through Kevin… Return to Manliness.

   I’m honored to be the first women to comment here. This is very bold and honest writing (and you cracked me up!!).

   I will add that, from my point of view: a man’s skills in bed outweigh any random thought we, as women, might have about his physique. If he is focused on the connection — and not solely on himself — that’s what matters.
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   Comment by rummuser on 27 June 2008:

   Absolute poppycock! This is for those people who have got sex in their minds and not romance. If you have romance in your mind, the shape of your body or anything else makes no difference whatsoever to the quality of your love making. Just read between the lines on what Single Mom Seeking writes.

   The Adonis body and the Venus body are advertising created obsessions, the sooner one gets rid of the better.

   One certainly has to be fit and preferable of an acceptable body weight equation. Sculpting your body is for body builders. Not for normal average people.
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   Comment by Kevin (ReturnToManliness) on 27 June 2008:

   Single Mom Seeking and rummuser both have great points here. I think they have elements that are true, but I also think physical appearance does matter. It may not be the only thing, but it does play a part.
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   Comment by Brad on 28 June 2008:

   Ha ha ha, I love this convo.

   Advertising created obsessions… I think not, and I’ve got the research to prove it.

   Oh, and about the romance, in order to be romantic… it helps if the person creating the romance FEELS sexy about him or herself.

   Now, for the AVERAGE person, getting their body in better shape helps this DRAMATICALLY… in fact, I daresay that their is no better confidence builder than getting this area of your life handled.

   I also disagree with your assumption on love making. If you’ll read the article again, I’m saying that a great body can ADD to your love making ability… if you already suck in the sack, having a great body can help, but it won’t save the day.

   But, if you take a love making MASTER (ok… lack of a better term)… and give him a better body, one that’s conditioned to PERFORM better in as many ways as you can imagine… our master now has another TOOL to assist in his love making.

   Also, the quote:

   “One certainly has to be fit and preferable of an acceptable body weight equation”

   If how your body looks doesn’t matter… then why this comment?

   Also, what’s the “acceptable” body weight equation that you speak of?

   I’ve got a research proven metric for men that gives a FAR better analysis of your progression in the Adonis Index than bodyweight ever will.

   But again, as I always say to end… no where in any of my articles or marketing do I say that this is the “end all, be all” for men.

   In fact, I reference the Adonis Body as a great tool… for many, many things… not the great problem solver.

   
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   Comment by John on 28 June 2008:

   Try to look at it from different perspectives.
   Guys are programmed to be attracted to various body features of women.

   Looks absolutely matter. Otherwise why do herterosexual guys get turned on by women and not other men. Think about it, if some girl approached you who was amazing in bed but looked like a guy, I’m sure you would turn her down no matter what.

   Likewise for women, if some guy appraoched you will all the right moves and you knew he was amazing in bed, but he had d-cup breasts and nicer more feminine curves than you, you’d probably pass on this one.

   What he is really talking about here is maximizing what you have.

   Think of it this way.

   How far out of shape can your significant other get until they cease to be physically attractive to you. Picture it in your head right now. I guarantee there is a shape and size (both too big and too small) at which point they would simply cease to be attractive no matter how much you “loved” them and all of that other stuff.

   I’m assuming you all have an acceptable range. I’m sure all of your comments above in this disucssion are based on the assumption that none of you are thinking of having sex with someone who is 600 lbs, or someone who is 80 lbs and in danger of dying of anorexia.

   I’m sure in your mental images while you are discussing this you are assuming bodyshapes in a narrow range that are acceptable to you.

   The article is about maximizing that ideal body shape that is most attractive and will give you the most self confidence, and really getting the most out of what you have. If you know that a girl would be even more atttracted to you if you were in better shape, and you would have even more confidence in your performance in bed then why wouldn’t you strive for that? It would just end up being better for both of you.

   All things being equal with your skills in bed and all of that, do you really think anyone would actually CHOOSE a worse body over a better body if the option was available?

   John
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    Comment by rummuser on 5 July 2008:

    Let us take this same story and put the guy with the muscles, the Adonis. As he gets between her legs he starts wondering if she has seen his abs, his biceps, his whatever else, and his tan and his dentist fixed expensive white artificial smile, and boom he stops doing what he needs to be doing and gets off the bed and asks her!

    I am not running down the need to exercise and keep fit. All that I am saying is that it has got nothing to do whatsoever to a good or otherwise sex life. Someone not exercising regularly, but in a good relationship with lots of love and romance, can and does have a very satisfying sex life, long after the Adonis has stopped.
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    Comment by Brad on 6 July 2008:

    … and now you have someone with an ARROGANCE… and a COCKY…

    … not confident attitude…

    … which is the exact OPPOSITE effect as what we’re after, and talk about.

    Remember, there’s a BIG difference in THINKING that you’re the shit… and KNOWING you’re the shit… and attitude and ego generally correspond to that.

    I’ll disagree with you on the exercise and sex life correlation. I’ve been in both situations and the sex is definitely better when I’m in shape… because I have more options.

    Also, keep in mind the nature of the site that you’re on. Many of the readers here may or may not be interested in LOVE and ROMANCE and may be interested in one night stands, 3 somes, as well as having the ability to CHOSE who they want to be with.

    So, the advantage of being in shape results in a larger selection of women for our friends on this site to choose from.

    And… from my experience… those that DISCOUNT the effects of being in shape and the effects that it has on your inner game generally have no basis of comparision… because they’ve never been in that type of shape to experience the true difference.

    In other words, it’s the classic “I don’t have it” so I’ll minimalize it’s importance… which is a total growth killer for most people.
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    Comment by dan on 17 July 2008:

    I have a pointed chest( the docters nickname it the pigeon chest) that sticks out because of my bones this has strong effects on my inner game it has also a practical side in that when girls touch my chest they notice and point it out.
    I am attracting high value girls for my area but unless the girl leads it does not often go anywhere. I also make stupid mistakes to save the girl seeing me (not sure if its her or me I am saving) so many a time have i been in a room with a girl in her room because she made the move on our own drinking tea its a common excuse good for sobering up after nice walk of cuddling… but this is normally its time to chat. If I haven’t already done something to avoid what I want being really drunk helps me but i normally cant game then.
    Can anyone recommend me some articles/products that would help me I have started going to the gym but it wont hide it that much.
    Getting over this dilemma would get my game to where it needs to be).
    dan

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