The last interview I heard on the pickup podcast was the Neil Strauss interview which got pretty boring halfway through. In all honesty, I’ve only listened to the following interviews (out of 50) that they’ve done: Sean Messenger, David Wygant, Tynan, Savoy, and Stephen Nash. My listening habits are skewed by doing interviews with many of the same guys, and so… whats the point? Once in a while something triggers my interest and I tune in.
What got me more interested was when Jordan announced, on the coattails of the David Wygant vs Ross Jefferies post, that he was holding a debate. This was spurred on because of the comments here. I was very interested to see how that went especially with video, although I could be disappointed as James explained:
I was at that Los Angeles Art of Charm bootcamp that Jordan mentioned–which by the way, was great–and pretty much the stage was set for a post debate mixed martial arts showdown…
In one corner of the room–which sort of resembled a boxing ring–there was Ross with his girfriend, and in the other, there was David with his dog. Both of ‘em were about the same height. Their was a buzz in the air, a little bit of tension, and then…
Well, they both behaved like English gentlemen meeting for tea at the country cottage, which was probably the best thing, because Jordan was also in the house wearing his Fedora and I don’t think he would appreciated having the LAPD show up with their nightsticks…
The bottom line, they both had some good stuff to teach. I think David hit it on the nail:
“There is no one size fits all approach that works with everyone. That is just marketing bullshit. No one can help everyone, and people are too smart to fall for that.
People need to find the expert that resonates with them. There is plenty choice out there to choose from and what works for one may not work for another person.”
Dammit. I thought the subtitle was “There Will Be Blood”…
Art of Charm on Current TV
What did you guys think of the techniques they were perceived to be teaching? Was the community’s influence dulled down for the cameras or is this an accurate portrayal of what goes on? What exactly do they teach? It seemed fairly… mainstream. Let me know if any of you have an inside experience.
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I love the pickup podcast and have basically listened to all the episodes, but I do have some concerns with AJ and Jordan. I remember one of their earlier episodes they took their first ever bootcamp which was by Pickup 101, then all of a sudden there is a phone consultation service and now the Art of Charm. Sometimes I just get the impression that a lot of the more recent upstarts came from nowhere by guys who I’m not quite sure about how experienced they really are.
Donovan, they actually never interviewed Sean Messenger although I’d be curious to hear it
While I partially agree with Yummy Stale Bread, what is funny is that almost all the major companies are run by “coaches” that were just students. I will be interested to see what reviews come from Art of Charm as I really enjoy the Pickup Podcast vibe. As far as I can tell Jordan is only one coach out of the three guys while AJ is nowhere to be found.
oh i thought they interviewed Sean from Pickup101, under the name Sean Deacon, double checking it. Your right… I’m off! =(
Hey Stalebread,
Thanks for the kind words on the show man, I am really glad to hear you enjoy it and get value from it. However, I don’t know why y’all think my first bootcamp was in the past year with Pickup 101. I took my first bootcamp in 2003 with Tyler Durden of RSD, learned over the following couple of years under some other coaches who are personal friends of mine with major companies, started coaching myself, and THEN started the Pickup Podcast with AJ, not the other way around.
In other words, I have been a student of just about every system out there, and taught by their top-level coaches and founders, which is how I got to understand the industry and business practice so well in the first place. (/qualify)
Further, the coaches that I’ve got working with me here at the Art of Charm are the best instructors I have found after interviewing the top dating coaches and PUAs in the industry. Likewise, ALL the Art of Charm instructors are full-time coaches, not guys who work in a cubicle all day and go out on weekends. We’re developing curriculum and running programs about 5 days a week, every single week, have our own show on Maxim Satellite Radio, write regularly for other publications, among other things.
All that aside, if anyone is wondering if the content is solid, go to pickuppodcast.com and check out a couple of the shows. If they help you, then there’s your answer. The content stands on its own, and always will.
Thanks guys. It’s always great to hear from the listeners!
Best,
-Jordan Harbinger
pickuppodcast.com
Yo! This is a pretty cool site my friend recommended! I’ll have to bookmark this….
Ironically enough, I just finished the AoC bootcamp in LA. I just want to chime in. To give some background, since I’m new here, I’ve been in the game for about 2 years, have studied all the material, have taken other boot camps, and experienced some great successes. Not to brag, just to tell you where I’m coming from.
I just wanted to say that these guys have really mastered their craft. They have turned social dynamics and PUA into an art form. I really learned a lot. I think I figured out and blew away a recent sticking point – creating super strong initial interactions so that numbers are solid and don’t flake. I also accentuated and brought new understanding to several other aspects of my game. I understand the “big picture” much better now.
Plus they are just great people. So if you’re thinking about taking the bootcamp, I highly recommend it. And if you’re not listening to pickuppodcast.com or on the forum, you’re really missing out. it’s free afer all!
The LA Art of Charm bootcamp was my first, so I don’t have anything to compare my experience to. However…there was never any doubt that these guys knew their stuff. That was especially obvious in the field where the AoC crew, including Kim, were commanding a rock star type of presence wherever we went and we were able to put into action what we had learned in class and see it working.
Some of the guys did better than others, of course. For example, having beome more comfortable with daytime interactions, I was out of my comfort zone when approaching these women at the night venues. But along with the rest of the guys at the bootcamp, I did it anyway. And after the bootcamp, I realized that my perspective and attitude had changed for the better and I had more fun while I was out. So my bottom line…Take the bootcamp if you get the chance, and see for yourself..
Very entertaining, like one of these MTV pseudo documentary, but I think with ben stiller and jack black it had been funnier!
The Art of Charm dating coaches are the best in the business
Companies like this advertise programs and products to lonely, unhappy guys as the key to their happiness and peace. False promises in an attempt to make money.
A guy who is internally struggling and has a weak reality who cannot currently rise above the thought of an attractive woman must undergo a deep internal shift and dis-identification from past negative pain and toxic programming. Trying to learn as much dating theory and tactics as you can and trying to jump into these dating gurus’ realities is really the result of an underlying lack of faith in oneself and lack of core confidence. They might as well be distracting themselves with World of Warcraft.
I’ve been through all of this bootcamp/theory/dating instructor stuff. I’ve played the game, and despite any success I was experiencing on the surface, on the inside I was still lost, frustrated and miserable. But these instructors don’t care as long as they are able to continue bringing in the next batch of desperate guys, take their money, and then turn them loose with indifference, only to repeat the same process over and over and continue bringing in the money. They care about profit, not so much about helping people.
In order for an unhappy person to feel free, happy, and strong they must turn inward, take responsibility, and see the world through their own eyes.