How Not To Be “Friend Material” (Kezia Column)

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You’re talking away; making her laugh, and also making some great connections with her too! More than once, she has grabbed your arm; she’s even pushed her body close to yours a number of times. The I.O.Is here are major. It’s a no brainer, she’s yours for the taking.

Or is she?

When it comes to number close, she may be more than happy to give you her number, but when you arrange a date; I wonder if she will turn up in a sexy plunge neck dress or a casual loose fitting t-shirt. I wonder if she even bothers to wear make up for you. So in this case, the date you thought you were going on is probably not, in her eyes, a date at all. Why?

Because you became the dreaded…. (Dramatic drum roll please)

“MALE FRIEND”

We will look at the following:

How did this happen?

What are those tell tale signs that show you she sees you only as friend potential.
How to prevent this from happening!

How on earth did you get in to this mess?

Simple. Lets break this down; on one hand you have a been a brilliant conversationalist, you have made some deep connections with her, and so she feels you really understand her, not just as a woman but as a human being as well. You’re also unbelievably funny, and have had her laughing hard countless times through out the interaction.

As a result of all these great accomplishments she feels she can relax, let down her guard and really be herself in front of you. Here is where a key problem lies. It obviously beneficial for you to make sure she’s relaxed, however it is not beneficial to her so relaxed that she feels she can show you all her flaws, whats happened here is she is now so totally in her comfort zone that she feels no need to make any effort to impress you.

Next, what is missing here is a vital ingredient. You have not initiated any sexual tension in to the conversation. This would be a lot easier to do if you had made sure you were in higher status than her. But unfortunately what has happened in this situation is that you have made levels of status equal (better than your status level being lower of course) but this can lead to friendship, as friendships are usually based on equality of the relationship.

Signs that she is seeing you as potential friend material

  • She talks about her ex-boyfriend

  • She talks too much about other men
  • She is not caring how she is coming across general
  • She tells you too many of her private problems such as;
    • Medical

    • Ex boyfriends
    • Problems at work
    • Problems with her friends
    • Periods

(Remember you’re not an agony aunt!)

She’s not asking you too many questions about your self

She’s shows barely any, or no, reaction to your touches

She keeps describing you as “so sweet” or “adorable” or says things such as “oh how cute” when you say something. Any puppy dog terminology is usually not a good thing.

She is not bothered if you show any interest in other woman.

She is happy to leave you with her friends as she goes off temporarily to attend to other matters.

If you give her any criticism she will laugh.

She’s happy to tell you her opinions on everything whether you like it or not.

How you can prevent all this.

If you regularly have this problem then my suggestion to you is to nip it in the bud!

From as early as the first second to the first 10 minutes introduce at least a hint of sexual element in to the interaction.

There is no problem in letting a girl know you think she’s hot, as long as you execute it with a serious and matter of fact expression. Don’t make a big deal about saying “wow, you look hot” and don’t wait for her reaction. Instead hold her gaze and then move on casually to the next subject as if you are totally in control and fully aware of your alpha like comment.

Remember, she has to start earning any more compliments.

This will also destroy completely the chance of you becoming her friend; she will subconsciously cross out that avenue. So now its whether she likes you in that way or not. (2 option rather than 3)

What you do if she begins to show any of the above signs

Lets take, for example, her bringing up the ex-boyfriend. Make it clear to her that although it’s an interesting subject and one you can see she feels deeply about, perhaps it’s best if she discussed it with her girlfriends and not you.

If she begins to show little or no care on how she is coming across, for instance getting to much in her comfort zone. Keep giving her small tasks and let her know that your standards are very high on how a lady should behave. For instance if vulgarities something you find unattractive (and is usually, by the way, a sign the woman is seeing you as a fellow party pal) then let her know how she’s let you down, by pointing out the fact they you thought she was different from the woman in here and that it was her elegance that made you talk to her in the first place.
Watch how she straightens her back and tucks her bra strap back in to position faster than you can imagine.

If she leaves you with her friends and wanders off, this is a bad sign, it means she couldn’t care less if they make a move on you or you make a move on them.

Counteract this by firstly introducing your friends to her friends, which will make her feel left out. And on her return, punish her by making a phone call as soon as she sits down, go off with your phone call and leave her friends talking with your friends as she sits there bored and feeling left out, she will begin to miss you and might value your company a little more.

Note:

Please remember women love to please men. We enjoy looking good for you guys; in fact it’s a bit of obsession.

Look in any woman’s magazines and see what percentage of the articles is dedicated to pleasing men, whether it is through; makeup, dieting, fashion or cooking. Once we feel there’s no need to please you, it’s as if the fun is over, for girls as well as guys the chase is can be better than the catch.

Remember; take control of the situation, if you become “friendship material” then you have yourself to blame, you can manipulate the conversation whenever you choose, you can inject sexual tension whenever you decide. The only reason you became friend material would have been because you allowed her to feel so relaxed that she had little or no work to do at all.

By all means make sure she is relaxed, but take advantage when someone is in a relaxed state of mind. Remember the power of suggestion will be come much more powerful when in that state. Do this rather than allow her to feel you are simply another shoulder to cry on, or part time doctor she can reveal gross medical problems to, or a psychiatrist where she can discuss her ex-boyfriends commitment problems he might have had.

You have plenty of friends, you don need another right? Unless of course you see her as friend material in that case go right ahead and discuss her periods and ex-boyfriends with her!

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  1. Absolutely brilliant! Guys must read this. Your best column yet Kezia

  2. good content but i didnt like the spelling mistakes :)

  3. I have mixed feelings about this post. I feel that this is completely relevant if you are just becoming involved with a girl in the sense of just meeting her and getting to know her and you are interested in seeing her relatively soon after meeting her or if you have no intention of developing a real friendship, but if for some reason seeing her is not an option at the time and a long lasting friendship begins to develop, then she will eventually begin to talk about her personal problems as well as yours and begin to become more comfortable around you and that doesn’t mean that she isn’t interested or attracted to you and that you cannot become intimate with such friends down the road.

  4. I was implying more on the lines that she keeps discussing her problems rather than yours. Believe me that girls have plenty of shoulders to cry on, we collect them!

    Sorry about spelling mistakes, I went to a school that taught us Art rather than English!

  5. Kezia that was an EXCELLENT post 5 stars.
    I want to say that honest women like you are soooooo rare to find.

    Yes it’s true that women want to please men, they want to impress them, they want to be qualified by them nonetheless a man’s job is also not to let her feel that she is being taken for granted or even worse, being ‘used’

    women enjoy the chase way more than men, so me be a challange!

  6. “You have a nice ass.” That’s what I text messaged her. From the above article, I figured I was in “LJBF” territory. But, I sent that message, partly in jest, and she called me within seconds. On the phone, I stopped being “friendly”, and made clear my intentions. I was obvious about wanting to have sex with her, but in a fun way. I said it with smile and fun in my voice. She was totally into it. I was surprised. She told me she wasn’t used to guys being straight forward like that. We ended up having a few hours worth of convo. At each iteration of talk, I told her how I wanted her, but, at the same time, stressed how I don’t need any stupid shit in my life. Basically, I said I wanted her, but I don’t need her. She loved it. The last part of the conversation was about how horny she was and for me to call her tomorrow.

    Thing is, from the above article, I was totally in the “friend” territory. I didn’t make it known to her how I wanted her. That’s why she was surprised when I got sexual. But she enjoyed it. The point I’m making is, it’s possible to reverse the “LJBF” situation if you are honest. Honest and funny. :)

  7. you must have been keeping her on her toes somehow, maybe she fancied you straight away?

  8. I just luv how you guy’s have turned this into an artform…I’ve got so much to learn. Lucky for me I find these routines as funny as hell. I’ts just pure evil to control women this way. Infact they deserve and should expect nothing less…evil for evil.
    There is no doubt when a man stops thinking with his cock, he is by far superior ..LOL

  9. To truly be a man you have to be comfortable correcting women. Dominant, but not domineering. You must lead and part of that is learning to disagree or admonish her in a mature & respectful way. It creates trust! Because if a woman never sees you disagree or become dissapointed at behavior she herself knows is poor, then she knows your not being honest and not owning/expressing your feelings. She won’t trust you to be her man. Great article!

  10. Are we men? I’m seriously asking this question? Personally, I don’t need to look for all these “signs”. When I want a women she knows it. I don’t hide it. I hate to say but doesn’t this just come down to not being a pussy? Stop hiding and let them know you want them. I’ve never niced a girl into bed and I’ve never been smacked for going too far.

  11. I think one of the problems is that people are taking the concept of disqualification to far. It’s only needed in the first few minutes in set. To lessen the resistance. Then you should show intent.

  12. Batzing is right. It’s important to follow the model and disqualification is primarily only for the first few minutes to lower the protection shield, if needed. But showing intent shold be sexy, and that means the occasional disqualifier or takeway should keep being thrown in during comfort, just to keep the tension going and keep her on her toes.

  13. Kezia, let me ask you something…this is gonna sound a bit un alpha male and un pick up artist but I don’t really care. How does this translate to when you are really in love with someone and you start to develop a serious long term relationship with them? You know, once all the barriers have disolved, you know each other pretty much inside out and you completely accept each other, faults included?

    Do you think it’s important for the guy to be of higher value than the women in a long term relationship for attraction to still be there or can a relationship with the same male/female value levels still have that spice.

    I’ve got my own opinions on it but I’m curious what you think from a female perspective.

    Cheers
    Steve

  14. I agree with this article to a certain extent. The whole point of a pick up is to create attraction, not another friend. Where I agree at is during the first month or so of dating a girl this is true. You dont want her to get to comfortable. You want her to know you’re an amazing guy that she could possibly lose if she disrespects in anyway. However, if she passes the “probationary period” at some point you have to start really getting to know eachother. Some might disagree with me and say you should never let her talk to you about these topics, but id rather know up front if a girl has a psychotic ex bf that used to beat her than have no idea until he shows up one day and surprise! But very good advice.

  15. I only know her for 3 months..(and meet face to face 3 times,,.the third time i told her if i wan chase her got chance a not. and she say she is not good gal, and we not know each other so long..then i say nvm (stupid,i shd say i also not good guy)..and i also say even i wan buy, also need seller wan sell..and she said not she dun wan sell, just not so fast..

    and the fallowing week we meet again (went for lunch, movie, and dinner).. we having fun playing with hp/taking photo and writing on tissue paper…

    I can feel she is some kind of open type of gal..so i dont know if she is like me anot…
    I am wondering why she ask me if i got paktor before…is this a hint i should do something? she also share her love experience with me…
    and should i direct go hold her hand? this seem not polite..
    and do i need to call her everyday? go find her everyweek? i am working and she is studying.

    How long i need before i really confess?

  16. Awaiting response from Kezia…
    Please help Kezia…i am lost..totally lost..

  17. Where is kezia?

  18. Kezia..You make a good point that you need to add that sexual tension early on in meeting her. And not a compliment either, but something suggesting your true intentions.

    But despite what we want, a women might just put you in the friends category and there is nothing you can do. It might have nothing to do with you are your approach. There is a whole psychology behind it and there could be a ten foot wall up that she deceided you are not getting over. Don’t take it personally.

    Advice..She actually might make a good friend. If this is a consistant pattern for you than evaluate you approach or ask one of you new female friends directly. Remember good loking girls travel in packs and have good looking friends.

  19. good article, spelling mistakes, no wonder that guy cant score.
    you want to hear about your girls periods, her ex-boyfriends.
    This chick’s right, if your girl friend too relaxed in her comfort zone,and treats you like her private agony aunt (priceless)she,s gonna become lazy. It,s like trying to light a fire under her, she no longer cares what you want or want to do, and they allways have an answer or an excuse to mess up your head.
    Learn from this, move on and practice. I know you cant shut them out completely but get your inner game together first and think how you are going to respond to any problems or ‘tests she going to pull on you
    dont repeat the same mistakes or every woman you have are just going to be the same.

    RIVAL

  20. So…I’m 21, handsome and starting to get it…If I was to say that “I find you very unusually attractive (for a nerd who spends too much time on the internet) but that I think you haven’t put in enough effort or tried hard enough in this post and that I personally think that you spend too much time thinking about all this stuff and not enough gaining new experiences in the real world…outside the dating world… also, Whats that bandana about!? I hope thats not your picture…I’d never let them do that to me…but do you honestly think that looks attractive??” I would come across as being somebody who knows what he likes, has an interesting life, isn’t stunned by your good looks and just generally a more attractive guy than a lot of others?

    Where-as if I was to tell you about problems I have with women etc etc etc I would be seen as another one of these losers looking for dating advice…”friend” material?

    one piece of advice guys, get a life and make it interesting…do stuff! travel, play sports, make music, get out there and do anything that can make you more interesting…you don’t need a woman to make your life fun, women will soon follow once you fully understand this…

    sincerely,
    Mysteryosity

  21. Wow, thank you for that Kezia, I was playing the game and found myself always in the company of women but not always getting a kiss close… after reading that i understand why and what and where i was going wrong. It’s time to start fixing them…

    x

  22. AHHHH.. The friend zone haha.. This is one of my favorite topics. In a controlled setting I’ve allowed my self access to that forbidden area, just to prove a point and thus solidify my belief that guys and girls can’t be just friends where attraction and sex is involved or intended. I have explained this topic clearly not only to girls but also to guys and it’s funny my favorite saying is that “I believe so strongly that guys and girls can NOT be just friends if there is attraction involved that I want it on my grave stone!” lol..

    But anyways.. One of the easiest ways I’ve found to avoid being in the friend zone is making it perfectly clear right from the first conversation. One thing I’ve said before was “Look.. I’m going to be outright honest with you, I’m sorry but as much of a great girl as you may be or think you are.. I could never be your friend!” as I proceed to walk away she’ll stop me and ask.. “BUT WHY?!” (and this was all before I ever studied pua material mind you) After she said that I would continue with the conversation and explain to her. That I couldn’t be her friend because I thought she was an attractive girl.. and I don’t see the point in just being friends with a girl I would want to ravage in bed. Usually at this point I would get some sort of reaction.. Usually a “wow!” OR an “OMG! I can’t believe you just said that!” Which instantly put me in a different light in her eyes.

    BOOM! Nixed the whole friend thing right in the ass! Sometimes I’d play with them and be a lot more vulgar and would say something like “Okay let’s say for instance I decided to play along with your shenanigans and was your ‘friend’ we both decide to go hang out at the mall or something and than you start talking about something that I obviously have no interest in or even remotely care about.. What do you think is going on in my head?” She pauses for a second and thinks about it.. Some girls get it right the first time some come up with some off the wall thing.. But I than go back and say “The only thing that would be going on in my head is the thought of how great your tits would look in my face while you were riding my dick.” Here comes once again.. yup! You guessed it.. the SHOCKED look! The conversation usually continues on, sometimes about the dynamics of what a real “friendship” is and how I do things with my friends like race cars, or talk business, or play sports, or shoot guns. (Name off things you wouldn’t particularly care to do with that girl) But at the end I make it clear that I would NEVER want to sleep with my FRIENDS.. and her well I’d love to just rip her panties off.

    So finally after all of this, when she is still talking to you she will usually put you on a pedestal for being such a man of confidence for having the balls to out right say that to her.. as most guys wouldn’t. This is what will differentiate you from other men. She’ll look up to it.. and hell if she doesn’t guess what.. IF you strictly wanted to sleep with her and nothing else than you might as well cut that tie immediately anyways and it’s a great way to do that.. But I’m much more of a “Black and White” kind of person I don’t prefer to play games if I can help it. It’s like if I could ask a cow for milk and she gave it to me without having to put in the work to actually milk the cow, than why not?

    But if you’re new to this whole thing you may think doing something like this is a bit outlandish… But I ask you, would you rather live a life of blue balls or empty balls? Just a thought.

    I hope you enjoyed my little story. :)

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