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1. 

   Comment by Matt Savage on 20 April 2008:

   Ross is getting out of control. I came home last night and to my surprise, find an email from Ross Jeffries in my inbox talking trash to me. I assume it was because of my criticism of him on the Dr. Phil show in a comment I left on this blog earlier. The funny part is he attacked me as if I were a guru who teaches pick-up, which I’m not. I’m a writer and a blogger. All I do is chronicle my journey of self-improvement, yet now I have Ross emailing me telling me that I “haven’t got a clue” on how to teach pick-up….WTF…I never said I did.

   It seems like Ross is now attacking people just for the sake of it. This man is supposed to be a seduction expert yet he has failed to connect with a majority of this seduction community, those that would support his business. I just don’t get it.
2. 

   Comment by Keith on 20 April 2008:

   Well, even though I just posted a few hours back in response to Ross’ comments - or more accurately accusations - on David Wygant’s Online Seduction article, I want to weigh in on this debate also.

   As I stated previously, I have studied both of their methods and used both of their methods “in the field.” I will grant that Ross’ methods can get you laid … if all you are interested in is getting laid, it is a system that can work. What I didn’t like about it was having to use those corny routines - no matter how hard I tried, they never felt natural and I never felt that I had done anything to myself that was an internal change. I did get laid using Ross’ system, but I didn’t truly feel any more confident about myself or my ability to connect with women.

   When I discovered David Wygant’s stuff, what immediately interested me in learning about it was his “natural game” or “anti-routine” basis for interacting with women. Most important was that he teaches you that becoming a powerful and authentically confident man is the essential element to being able to attract and connect on a deep level with ANY woman.

   When I worked on, and really became, a confident and powerful man, I not only met as many (if not more) women than I did using Ross’ methods, but I felt TOTALLY COMFORTABLE approaching women and, as an unexpected side effect, women were approaching ME! Unbelievable!!! I feel like he has helped me become the man I’ve always wanted to be … and when I did that the women (& the kind of women I’ve always wanted!) followed!

   In this battle, to me David Wygant wins hands down! And, as an aside, I was disappointed to see how Ross seems to really be … what I can only imagine to be either jealous or bitter.

   David, if you happen to get wind of this new head-to-head, thank you man for your awesome advice!!! Keith
3. 

   Comment by Thirtyplus on 20 April 2008:

   There is a lot of skeeze in this industry. The DR. Phil show and others are slowly exposing the worst of it to the light of day (which is the best disinfectant anyway). David W seems to be less gross than most. Here’s hoping the industry continues to get weeded of all the shysters and con artists.
4. 

   Comment by Z on 20 April 2008:

   Ha. Guys no one can even take this guy seriously. He recently flamed Sean Messenger too. It’s freaking ridiculous. You can tell by the way he writes he’s just trying as hard as he can to flame someone else. I have no time for people like that who just exaggerate and flame just to flame.

   It’s like you don’t even have to reply. All you have to do is post it on your blog and everyone will automatically just laugh at him and lower his value.

   He’s the only one who acts like this in the community I think. Been doing it for years. He gets feedback but doesn’t listen to it, thus he limits himself.
5. 

   Comment by Joan on 20 April 2008:

   “Devaginized her?” Ok lets pick that word apart…if you devaganized her….she had no vagina…therefore, you f’d yourself!
   What losers you both are in this video.
   Honestly, I find you both disgusting, as well as VERY unattractive in EVERY way there is to be so.
   I cannot imagine the “type” of women who are dumb enough to get near you, much less sleep with you. kiss you …ENOUGH before I make myself sick!
   You are a joke, so let me end this with one big laugh…LOL The jokes not ON you it IS you!
6. 

   Comment by Yummy Stale Bread on 21 April 2008:

   A few months ago I paid little attention to David Wygant, I really knew nothing about his teachings or him as a person. But as time has gone on, the more I become familiar with his teachings, the more I respect him. The exact opposite is true of Jeffries. I have been very familiar with his work since I began my journey in this community and the more I get to know him, the less I respect him. If I was to pay someone to better me in this area of my life, it would go to David Wygant hands down over Ross Jeffries any day.
7. 

   Comment by Travis Bickle on 21 April 2008:

   From what I’ve seen Ross seems pretty bitter towards people in the community.

   I’d go with Wygant.

   There’s something about Ross in interviews it just doesn’t seem right, vibewise.
8. 

   Comment by mizzle on 21 April 2008:

   David Wygant over Ross for sure.. All Ross is doing is trash talking himself out of business (hopefully). Anyone who’s conscious enough will see through this front. He’s acting as if attack is the best defense. I guess you can’t deny him whatever contribution he has given to pickup but that’s it. Once PU got momentum and more guru’s started to practice and teach it has evolved to the better, much much better. That’s my 00.2
9. 

   Comment by Clarence on 21 April 2008:

   lol? what the hell is ross doing? totally uncalled for and unprofessional. Ross needs to get a life.
10. 

    Comment by Donovan on 21 April 2008:

    @Joan: I think he said “Devirginized her” which seems just as lame.
11. 

    Comment by Jacob on 21 April 2008:

    David Wygant all the way.

    Ross needs a DW bootcamp!!
12. 

    Comment by Sasuke on 21 April 2008:

    Ooww … Ross again … after he makes himself like a jackass in Dr. Phil show, now … he insulted David Wygant … what an asshole Ross is, I think he is really insecure … because, as a self proclaimed “Master Guru” in seduction … what will happen if people stop buying all of his stuffs, because people lost faith in him, and see the real him? HA HA HA … he can be the true role model a “True Jackass” in seduction community.

    If you ever watched the movie “Merlin”, you will see a the main villain (the witch) which is really similar to Ross Jeffries, especially at the end of the movie, which is when “Merlin” actually find a way how to kill the witch … which is … to denied her as a living human being, and ask all the people to even remember if she is ever alive. And, what happen after that? She disappear from this world.

    I think what Ross really trying to do actually is to make a real “Fuss” / “Gossip” in the seduction community … so all people will keep talking and mentioning his name as a the first man that teach seduction, master of all master, so people will come to his website and buy his money, also establish his name as the guru of all guru.

    At first I want to buy his program, because I’m really curious about using NLP to seduce women, like what I heard about Ross’s teaching … but, after I read what Ross did to David DeAngelo’s girlfriend, Dr. Phill’s show, and always bad mouthing Mystery Method, Real Social Dynamic, and now … David Wygant? Forget it … I don’t want to become a MONSTER like Ross just in order to learn how to be successful with women.

    Feel free to copy and paste my post to other seduction’s blog.

    -Sasuke-
13. 

    Comment by Brad on 22 April 2008:

    Man… what the hell is going on?

    You know, I don’t know Ross so I can’t make any judgments of him, but I do know David… and he’s a pretty cool guy.

    I wonder what all the “buzz” building is about?
14. 

    Comment by Taras on 22 April 2008:

    Ok let’s see… whose side am I on? Who’s material have I had better results with? Who would I rather learn from? The answer to all three of these questions for me is DAVID!!!! I mean don’t get me wrong, Ross has his own thing going on and I’m sure it works for some people… but frankly his personality sucks and he seems like a very angry man. David, on the other hand, is a great guy who teaches a more natural way to pick up a girl. So for me, Wygant will always be the superior in my book.
15. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 23 April 2008:

    Here is the larger issue-

    David has been doing this for a long time. He’s dealt with at least hundreds of guys, if not more.

    When you do this long enough, you begin to get a very good sense of who is stuck and how deeply and whom you just cannot help.

    Jeremiah was one of the most deeply stuck guys I’ve ever worked with.

    I find it difficult to believe that David couldn’t tell, within 20 minutes of talking with him, that Jeremiah required help that David could not possibly provide.

    In my own case, occasionally, guys come to me who are so disturbed that in my evaluation, I cannot help them and I tell them so. After about 10 minutes of talking I tell them exactly that and will not take any amount of money from them.

    In some rare cases, I’ll inquire if the client is under professional psychiatric or other medical care and if they still want to come to a seminar, I require a signed and dated letter from their professional care-giver, stating that in the care-giver’s opinion, the person is mentally fit enough to attend the event.

    So my point is: David probably can and DOES help a certain level of guys. If you’ve had some success in the past, he might be able to up your game.

    But in my estimation, at least 50% of the guys who are drawn to personal coaching/live events of any kind fit into Jeremiah’s category and anyone without some deep level understanding and training in personal change work will not be able to assist them.

    I find it very difficult to believe that David wasn’t able to evaluate Jeremiah and quickly see that he was not someone that David could help.

    Maybe a newbie at coaching would not get this, but David isn’t a newbie. He’s been at it for years.

    So either he isn’t able to evaluate people or at least in this case, wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care to.

    In this game, you are going to get people at all sorts of stages. Some will be already doing well and just looking to polish their game. Others will be struggling and some will be deeply stuck-and my guess is the DS category is at least 50%

    David should not be working with people in that category and needs to refer them out.

    And more interesting to me is this: I broke Jeremiah’s depression and learned helplessness in two sessions. Yet I see NO curiosity from David on how I was able to do it.

    Caveat Emptor

    RJ
16. 

    Comment by Rey on 23 April 2008:

    I’ve took a bootcamp with David two months ago, and it helped my lifestyle and “game” tremendously.
    David teaches people how to “be” the man that attract people, instead of giving you cheesy little lines to hypnotize girl.
    David can also back up all the shit he says, he IS the confident man with inner game, he IS able to talk and attract any stranger. However on the other side, for someone who preaches core confidence and being positive, RJ definitely does not show any of it from criticizing other people on the net, instead of giving out real value and have something worthwhile to say.
    Anyhow, i will say David Wygant’s coaching is worth every single dime of it, he empowers you to be the man that you’re meant to be. and put it in a way that can be easily understand and apply to your life. If you think his blog is amazing, you guys should definitely check out his coaching sessions, because it is really tremendously life changing.
    If any of you have what David does on his boot camp, you can ask me more about it. And I’d be glad to tell you my experience, and what I got out of it.
17. 

    Comment by Wolf on 24 April 2008:

    Hey guys,

    Ross vs David Wygant? now thats a easy one…..

    Mr. Wygant the Winner!!!

    I worked with David last year, I used to be big or should I say computer nerd, now I am living a lifestyle that I don’t chase women but have women support me live a great life. I am currently in a serious relationship with a great girl. Thanks David for all the help.

    God bless you David!
18. 

    Comment by Jordan Harbinger on 24 April 2008:

    Wow, this looks to be a mess. In a strange coincidence, both Ross Jeffries and David Wygant will be guest instructing at the L.A. bootcamp coming up this May 2-4, 2008.

    Seriously though, this is going to be a killer bootcamp, especially with these new special guests hitting us up to give special presentations just for the Art of Charm crew & students.

    Unfortunately there are only a few more spots left at this bootcamp.

    If you’re interested, give us a call here at AoC headquarters: +1.917.720.4104

    Looking forward to meeting you in L.A.!

    -Jordan
    http://www.theartofcharm.com
19. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 24 April 2008:

    Speaking of Jordan, he did a fantastic interview with me on
    Pickuppodcast.

    If you really want to contrast the quality of my ideas and my ability as a teacher with Wygant’s, go to pickuppodcast.com

    I’m episode 41 and 42.

    I don’t know which Wygant’s is.

    Bottom line: 50% of the people who come to any live event or go to any kind of coaching have significant learning and other issues that Wygant and the rest of the community is incapable of addressing.

    I can address AND fix these issues and I am the only one who can.

    Listen to episode 41 and 42 and you’ll see why you will agree.

    RJ
    http://www.speedseduction.biz/nailyourinnergamepromo.php
20. 

    Comment by David Wygant on 24 April 2008:

    I spent 2 hours with Jeremiah, and helped unblock him of certain issues which I will not reveal. It was not just about getting laid it was deeper.

    I have the emails between us and, unlike Ross, I do not feel the need to expose my ex client’s private information.

    If Ross had spoken to me as a professional in our emails back and forth, I would have been very interested in how he unstuck Jeremiah.

    I have never trashed Ross in my 10 years of doing this. My methods are the opposite of his, and I actually have directed some clients over to his NLP stuff. When they want to learn about NLP, I always ask them if they have
    tried Ross Jeffries.

    As all of you know, I am an open person and treat everyone with respect. I have enjoyed meeting all the gurus in this industry. Even if I don’t agree with some of their methods, I have learned from each of them.

    Plus, I tell each of my clients to find the coach whose methods resonates with them. We all have different methods. I have successfully coached people who are newbies and people with some game.

    There is no one size fits all approach that works with everyone. That is just marketing bullshit. No one can help everyone, and people are too smart to fall for that.

    People need to find the expert that resonates with them. There is plenty choice out there to choose from and what works for one may not work for another person.

    I personally speak to each person before I coach them to assess their needs and expectations. Once that is done I move forward with the next step.

    Ross has never spent any time with me, and he has no idea how I conduct my business. Plus, he is making a judgment based on one person with whom we both worked.

    Instead of this back and forth bullshit, I am once again extending a lunch invitation to Ross so we can get to know each other’s philosophies. Then if something like this comes up we can better help all of you succeed with women and, more importantly, gain that inner confidence that lasts a lifetime (and not just one night)!

    Name the place Ross and I am buying.
21. 

    Comment by Donovan on 24 April 2008:

    David, why don’t you ever buy me lunch? =(
22. 

    Comment by Bobby Rio on 24 April 2008:

    This whole things smells of a giant publicity stunt… Ross and David are doing a bootcamp together next month.

    theartofcharm.com
23. 

    Comment by Jordan Harbinger on 24 April 2008:

    Actually, it’s not. We invited both of them to speak just a few days ago, AFTER this post came out on the web.

    -Jordan

    http://www.theartofcharm.com
24. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 24 April 2008:

    David,

    It looks like our publicity gimmick just got exposed.

    But let’s pretend to fight at the upcoming Artofcharm bootcamp so we can get more people to come and split the fat commission check, ok?

    Ok, here I go on “asshole” mode:

    DAVID WYGANT, I AM GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS AND MAKE YOU CRY LIKE A GIRL WHEN WE DEBATE AT THE UPCOMING THEARTOFCHARM.COM bootcamp!

    WATCH ME TURN DAVID’S FRILLY PINK PANTIES BROWN AS HE CRAPS HIS PANTS AT MY TEACHING SKILLS! I AM BRINING JEREMIAH WITH ME TO SPILL THE BEANS ON DAVID!

    PENCIL-NECK GEEK, I WILL DESTROY YOU IN THE STEEL-CAGE GRUDGE DEBATE!

    http://www.theartofcharm.com
25. 

    Comment by Khiem on 24 April 2008:

    I am looking forward to stopping by at this “Art of Charm” bootcamp now!

    I don’t care who wins. It should be interesting.
26. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 24 April 2008:

    In fact, virtually every internet attack on another guru that I’ve made in the past 10 years was pre-discussed and pre-arranged to generate traffic for myself and the other party.

    The big squabble with Tyler? We loosely scripted that dance, although not every move was plotted out.

    Thundercat? He’s one of my affiliates and collects paypal commissions every month.

    Not everyone who agrees to this game is an affiliate but at least we all get traffic from it.

    Same with everyone I’ve gone after and duked it out with, from MM on, with one exception; my fight with DYD was real. That guy I really just could not stand and he never forgave me for doing his girlfirend.

    So now you know; them who are attacked get the warning in advance and we pretty much roll with it as long as people are interested.

    But DeAngelo is a right bastard and that was NEVER planned.

    RJ
27. 

    Comment by Sasuke on 24 April 2008:

    There is no other guru that I really respect like David DeAngelo, he is the REAL MAN, and his material is all about teaching you to be the REAL MAN, and how to relate to women, not as a “nice polite girly guy”, but as a MATURE MAN that has his life together. Maturity = Success in life + Skill with women (I quoted Dr. Paul). And, I know his material keep improving from time to time, because he is top notch team builder (Master Mind Leader), he invite successful people that successful in bussiness and with women, he is an open person, and he give back what he learned from all of these master back to you, his usual DYD products and Interview With Dating Guru Cds, you can noticed this when you heard he teach something but based from someone else idea, and then at the end he will give the credit to that person, either by mentioning that guy name, book, or website.

    I think right now, David DeAngelo / Eben is already very successful person, he makes 20 millions a year. He is not only successful with women, but also in his bussiness.

    Unlike with Ross, what I always read about Ross is, he always claim himself as the best guru out there which is not, Dr. Phill’s Show … LOL. Ross is joke. Just see from all of his video sample, all of his postin on the internet, in this forum, LOL, his manerism, he is like 5 years old kid that likes to beat other people down to show that he is the “REAL JACKWUSS”, I mean “The Angry Seduction Nerd” … sorry Ross, I forgot your nick name for a sec. … When you think about this … what Ross can teach you then? To be a real jackwuss / I mean do we need another “Angry Seduction Nerd” beside him in this world? If what he do in his spare time is always fighting with other people, then he really don’t have time to learn for himself, and at the end there are no other materials that he can teach to you. Or the best way he can do is to convert one you into Ross Jeffries Jr. If that what you want, then so be it.

    One thing that I can’t forgive is, if one of my friend betray / back stab me from behind, if they are lack of “Honesty, Trust, and Respect” of me. One of my friend do the same thing to my best friend (they are both best friend on each other btw.) that Ross did to David DeAngelo’s girlfriend, even though he didn’t do that to me, but I cut him out from my social circle. So, I know why David DeAngelo kick Ross out from his life, man …. can you imagine that … Your teacher eat his own student? Do you want to learn from that kind of guy? LOL!!

    Another thing is, the way you behave will attract that same kind of women, if you behave like 5 years old kid, the angry seduction nerd, then you will also attract a lot of bitchy / bad women in your life. The kind of women that you want to stay aways from, not a girlfriend / wife material. You can proof this in your own life, and also seing some of Ross’s free video sample … LOL. He mentioning that he really successful turning one of his student into ladies man in just 24 hours, but what that student did actually 100% successfuly get laid with a stripper that at the end of the show … showing her’s breast in front of the camera crew, if she can do that, all men can sleep with her in just 3 sec., LOL.

    So good luck Ross, I hope you get a new customer, while you bussy fighting with other people, and maybe can catch some idiot to go to your website and pay you $300 … David DeAngelo already making another $20 million sells.
28. 

    Comment by M4gmatic on 24 April 2008:

    This kind of reminds me of actual Bootcamp, where the Drill Sgt’s are fucking with your mind and you’re not sure whats up or down or left and right. I could see it as marketing, but then again…who knows.

    If it is actually true, then you gentlemen need to just get in the cage and fight. The winner takes the winner of the Dr. Phil Vs. Me ring of fire death match.

    That’s some real marketing hype right there, who’s down?
29. 

    Comment by David Wygant on 25 April 2008:

    Publicity stunt - Am I missing something here? Well Ross, now it’s clear what you have been doing all along here.

    This is the first I have heard of this.

    Though I will admit it has been highly entertaining to see what you’ll say next - a late night treat to look forward to each day as I travel through Europe working with some very cool guys!
30. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 25 April 2008:

    Ha ha ha…nice one, David. THROW THEM OFF THE SCENT!

    (Nice pics from Europe; Shannon looks fantastic. Can’t wait to see her and you again, buddy!)

    RJ
31. 

    Comment by m0in10nz on 25 April 2008:

    Whether or not he’s telling the truth here, Ross is coming across as psycho.
32. 

    Comment by Wolf on 25 April 2008:

    Ross is trying to set David up. He thinks his little mind games over the internet will make people believe this is some marketing hype and David works with him.

    m0in10z, you’re right about that, he is coming off as a psycho.
33. 

    Comment by Jake on 25 April 2008:

    Ross is trying to set David up. He thinks his little mind games over the internet will make people believe this is some marketing hype and David works with him.

    m0in10z, you’re right about that, he is coming off as a psycho.
34. 

    Comment by jan on 25 April 2008:

    Ross you should practice what you preach. Next time your resentment heats up, just take a comfortable place and meditate to get your composure back - you should know that if you had understood the teachings of Shinzen Young which you recommend in different interviews !
35. 

    Comment by Jan on 25 April 2008:

    Ross has always resentment against David DeAngelo because he is more sucsessful than himself. Maybe you would be more sucsessful if you start practicing what you preach. For instance next time your resentment heats up, just take a comfortable place and meditate to get your composure back - you should know that if you had understood the teachings of Shinzen Young which you recommend in different interviews !
36. 

    Comment by Keith on 25 April 2008:

    Does anyone here actually believe that David would ever get together with Ross to fake this debate for publicity?! I think Ross seems more delusional every time he writes something. Having become familiar with both men and after having studied both men, I feel confident saying that David Wygant would have no interest in such a thing …

    David Wygant feels 100% confident in his coaching methods, and doesn’t feel threatened by anyone else’s … he respects what others do, but I can’t see him wasting that much energy to do what Ross has done here.

    It seems to me that all Ross has done here is try to forceably affiliate himself with David Wygant (through made up “super secret” partnerships and media stunts) so that he can become connected somehow with David’s name and reputation in this industry. For all his bravado and bragging, I’m betting that Ross feels like he needs to latch onto someone like David to bring him “back from the dead” in this business.

    For anyone who has read my couple of posts regarding this “head-to-head,” you know that while I have personally found David Wygant’s methods to be far superior in terms of my overall personal improvement (as a man and with women), I gave credit to Ross for the positives in his work.

    Ross’ apparent need to generate publicity solely through trash-talking, fallacious allegations, made-up stories and, particularly, unapologetic bragging to me speaks volumes about how poor his character is and how shallow his vision is for teaching men anything of true significance.

    What kind of man could Ross help someone become when he himself lives a life that appears to be driven by jealousy, pettyness, and disrespect for all of his peers in this industry? Now I see that it is not coincidence that all I got from Ross’ teachings was the ability to get laid … whereas with David Wygant’s teachings I not only got laid (a lot!), but I have become a truly confident and powerful man who can connect on a deep level with any woman and is now living in the moment and truly enjoying my life!

    Ross - what a sad man you are … and what a sorry example of a real man you seem to be …
37. 

    Comment by Sasuke on 27 April 2008:

    This Ross’s counter to Dr. Phil show, to show to the world that he is not as idiot as he seems on that show. LOL. But, whatever Ross trying to do, we all know the fact, just see Ross;s body language, lack of integrity, bad composure, and one thing that reall tickle me … when Dr. Phil able to bait Ross to say that all of the words that Ross said as his advertisement for his product at his website like “My program will get you laid like rock star, etc2 …” is just a advertising word from him to capture man. And, not just that … also if you see the whole deal at Dr. Phil show, you will see when Ross trying to explain his teaching method to the women audience, which is to me, Ross looks like a psycho and a master of manipulative.

    And, this is his counter to Dr. Phil show that I found out at Ross’s website, congratz Ross, you just make traffic in your website, but not in a good way.

    Link:

    http://www.speedseduction.biz/blog/

    Dear Speed Seduction(R) Students,

    I’ve been getting lots of questions, comments and flak about what went down on my Dr. Phil appearance last Friday.

    Let me jump ahead by saying what I find most interesting and most unexpected is not the usual fan-mail from students and hate-mail(many filled with delightful ethnic slurs and anatomically impossible suggestions about fun with my deceased mother) from knuckle-heads, but the fan-mail from women who are eager to learn my seduction secrets to use on men!

    In fact, the fan-mail from women is larger in volume than the other mail combined!

    So I guess while the women in Dr. Phil’s audience appeared to be disinterested and even appalled, the women watching at home want to know more.

    Which, in a sense shouldn’t be that surprising; I think one of the ultimate compliments and endorsements of my work is when women who had been involved with my students write to me and plead to be introduced to more of my students because they have never experienced such good feelings before and want them again!

    In any case, what the knuckle-heads seem not to get is that shows like Dr. Phil aren’t just free-for all talk-fests.

    Rather, each guest is assigned a potential “role” which is discussed with producers many times, and carefully fleshed out PRIOR to the show being taped.

    Which is not to say this shows don’t typically have SOME kind of ambush laying in wait for at least some of the guests, but that notwithstanding, when you go on these shows, you have a general idea of what is going to go down.

    In this instance, I was contacted by the producers who wanted to do a show about the dangers of the pick-up and seduction community, and, as the person who has been in it the longest, they wanted me to dish the dirt.

    Given that I’ve met all of the big names(shit, next to me, I think they are all SMALL names), and that many of these “gurus” are former students in one sense or the other, I think they made a good casting choice.

    The Taping

    I arrive to the taping to discover that the first three segments will star a few guys from “The Mystery Method”.

    Now, those of you who saw the show may have noticed that the real Mystery-Erik Von Markovic-was nowhere to be seen.

    You see, the lovely guys who were on the show presenting themselves as “the Mystery Method” founders are actually involved in a vicious lawsuit with the REAL Mystery, whose name and web domain they have taken.

    I certainly don’t have a dog in that fight, which wasn’t actually going on at the time the show was taped in 2006.

    But I do have my problems with some of the things taught in MM, no matter whom is doing the teaching, most notably the elements of punishment and control of women, which I find vile, disgusting and completely unnecessary.

    As I keep teaching, when you capture and lead a woman’s imagination and emotions, and give her feelings she’s never had before, you don’t need to invalidate her or use any kind of punishment.

    The worst “punishment” is simply to stop giving her the good feelings and to go away.

    So, as was required by my role, and by my honest opinions, I went after these guys with all of my veteran talk-show skills-they were virgins and I’ve been on dozens and dozens of them.

    The Big Edit-I Shut Up Dr. Phil, But You Didn’t See It!

    You may have noticed that Dr. Phil kept dogging me about my over-the-top marketing.

    What you didn’t see is that, at one point, I interrupted him and said, “Look; I’m just doing with my marketing what your producers do with your preview clips. They take the most titilating parts and edit them to entice people to watch your show instead of change the channel. I’ve got to do the same thing on the internet to keep people from clicking off my site.”

    Dr. P actually look startled and didn’t know what to say for about half a second. Then he retorted, “Wait a minute! What you see in those clips is REAL. What you see on this show is REAL!”

    At which point I turned my back on him, looked right in the camera and said, “If anyone here in the audience or anyone watching this at home thinks that this show isn’t heavily scripted and edited to manipulate your emotions, welcome to your fantasy world!”

    I kinda thought they’d cut it, and sure enough, they proved me right.

    The Meaning Of It All

    Nothing. Zip. Nada. This whole thing is generating lots of buzz in the blogosphere, some fun and juicy flame-wars, but ultimately, like all talk-shows, it is just a flash in the pan. These shows are watched almost entirely by women in any case, and from a publicity stand-point, it is often the follow-up offers of interviews from more appealing markets in radio and print that pan out best, business-wise.

    One bit of advice I will give you-if you ever get a call from a talk-show producer to be on a TV show like Phil or Orca Windbag, etc, be assured they can, do and WILL lie to you about what will go down.

    Someone once said that politicians are people who couldn’t cut it as child-molester and who couldn’t get into the Mafia.

    TV talk-show producers are people who couldn’t cut it as politicians.

    Peace and piece,

    RJ

    P.S. Watch for my upcoming blog post: “The Myth of Approach Anxiety”.
38. 

    Comment by Sasuke on 27 April 2008:

    This Ross’s counter to Dr. Phil show, to show to the world that he is not as idiot as he seems on that show. LOL. But, whatever Ross trying to do, we all know the fact, just see Ross;s body language, lack of integrity, bad composure, and one thing that reall tickle me … when Dr. Phil able to bait Ross to say that all of the words that Ross said as his advertisement for his product at his website like “My program will get you laid like rock star, etc2 …” is just a advertising word from him to capture man. And, not just that … also if you see the whole deal at Dr. Phil show, you will see when Ross trying to explain his teaching method to the women audience, which is to me, Ross looks like a psycho and a master of manipulative.

    And, this is his counter to Dr. Phil show that I found out at Ross’s website, congratz Ross, you just make traffic in your website, but not in a good way.
39. 

    Comment by Sasuke on 27 April 2008:

    Ross, if you want compare yourself to David DeAngelo, well … you just asking for trouble, see it for yourself how big David DeAngelo right now:

    Link:

    http://www.mantransformationblog.com/
40. 

    Comment by Retarded Policeman on 28 April 2008:

    
41. 

    Comment by Clarence on 29 April 2008:

    nuff said
42. 

    Comment by Jordan Harbinger on 30 April 2008:

    lol, ah well, we’ll settle this during the debate between RJ and David Wygant: “Speed Seduction versus Natural Game” sponsored by PickUp Podcast. Of course, there will be video and audio of the event, so stay tuned for that.

    -Jordan
    http://www.pickuppodcast.com
    http://www.theartofcharm.com
43. 

    Comment by Jordan Harbinger on 1 May 2008:

    Just filmed the debate. It was awesome. Stay tuned for the video and audio (at http://www.pickuppodcast.com)

    -Jordan
44. 

    Comment by James on 5 May 2008:

    I was at that Los Angeles Art of Charm bootcamp that Jordan mentioned–which by the way, was great–and pretty much the stage was set for a post debate mixed martial arts showdown…

    In one corner of the room–which sort of resembled a boxing ring–there was Ross with his girfriend, and in the other, there was David with his dog. Both of ‘em were about the same height. Their was a buzz in the air, a little bit of tension, and then…

    Well, they both behaved like English gentlemen meeting for tea at the country cottage, which was probably the best thing, because Jordan was also in the house wearing his Fedora and I don’t think he would appreciated having the LAPD show up with their nightsticks…

    The bottom line, they both had some good stuff to teach. I think David hit it on the nail:

    “There is no one size fits all approach that works with everyone. That is just marketing bullshit. No one can help everyone, and people are too smart to fall for that.

    People need to find the expert that resonates with them. There is plenty choice out there to choose from and what works for one may not work for another person.”
45. 

    Comment by Ben S on 9 May 2008:

    To be honest i am liking this but,

    Is this conflict really necessary? you guys obviously have a infinite amount of skill and are obviously both very good experts with pickup and lifestyle improvement.

    so why are you two trying to dog it out over some Internet forum??it just seems to me like your both just trying to seek validation from other people

    grow up and get laid guys, you two are both amazing
46. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 10 May 2008:

    Well, ***I*** was at the debate, and yes, it was “gentlemanly” in this
    sense: there was no name calling, no voices raised, etc.

    However, there were strong disagreements and some cages DID get rattled.

    You will all just have to wait for the video!

    RJ
    http://www.speedseduction.biz/nailyourinnergamepromo.php
47. 

    Comment by Lance L'amoure on 10 May 2008:

    Obviously, there is a lot of argument about who said what and when it was said. But these problems are usually settled very quickly when two people meet and talk about these things in the open. There are usually so many halves truths repeated by so many people that in the end nobody knows what the real truth is. I think both men have a place in the business helping those who need their help. They are both in the upper brack as this business goes. I personally have help many people with similar situations. I am an expert in dating. Lately, I have focused on helping men who are looking to date Latin women. For now I am very happy with this role. I do it for the pleasure of it. I have never read either of these guys material but have heard good things about both. I have thought about approaching one or both about helping me promote my methods.

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