David has been doing this for a long time. He’s dealt with at least hundreds of guys, if not more.

When you do this long enough, you begin to get a very good sense of who is stuck and how deeply and whom you just cannot help.

Jeremiah was one of the most deeply stuck guys I’ve ever worked with.

I find it difficult to believe that David couldn’t tell, within 20 minutes of talking with him, that Jeremiah required help that David could not possibly provide.

In my own case, occasionally, guys come to me who are so disturbed that in my evaluation, I cannot help them and I tell them so. After about 10 minutes of talking I tell them exactly that and will not take any amount of money from them.

In some rare cases, I’ll inquire if the client is under professional psychiatric or other medical care and if they still want to come to a seminar, I require a signed and dated letter from their professional care-giver, stating that in the care-giver’s opinion, the person is mentally fit enough to attend the event.

So my point is: David probably can and DOES help a certain level of guys. If you’ve had some success in the past, he might be able to up your game.

But in my estimation, at least 50% of the guys who are drawn to personal coaching/live events of any kind fit into Jeremiah’s category and anyone without some deep level understanding and training in personal change work will not be able to assist them.

I find it very difficult to believe that David wasn’t able to evaluate Jeremiah and quickly see that he was not someone that David could help.

Maybe a newbie at coaching would not get this, but David isn’t a newbie. He’s been at it for years.

So either he isn’t able to evaluate people or at least in this case, wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care to.

In this game, you are going to get people at all sorts of stages. Some will be already doing well and just looking to polish their game. Others will be struggling and some will be deeply stuck-and my guess is the DS category is at least 50%

David should not be working with people in that category and needs to refer them out.

And more interesting to me is this: I broke Jeremiah’s depression and learned helplessness in two sessions. Yet I see NO curiosity from David on how I was able to do it.

Caveat Emptor

RJ

That is why I really enjoy and respect what David teaches, it’s really powerful if you really understand it.

Words and concepts like dating and seduction and confidence and even sex can mean different things to different people, and when it comes to approaches to those things I happen to like and respect quite lot about what you do, David, and also what Ross does – but then that’s just my particular outlook on things.

I hear a lot of this kind of thing still to this day in the Martial Arts: people who practice boxing or karate or judo or aikido or jiujitsu all believe their school, their art is the best. Even before MMA if someone had half a brain they’d figure out that each discipline has something to offer, each has a “place” depending on various factors too numerous to go into here. No one person or “school” has the single correct approach.

Switching metaphors, I suppose there’s some pizza shop owner out there who is sure people should only eat his pizza…

After trying out Ross’ methods, I found David Wygant’s site and started listening to some of his products. Wygant’s stuff really resonated with me – I liked that he says you can meet women without using any cheesy routines. His stuff truly is natural and, once I started doing things the way he talked about, I met SO many more women than I did when I was using Ross’ methods!

Beyond the sheer number of women I was attracting using David Wygant’s teachings, I actually started to feel (authentically) really powerful and confident all the time … and it felt totally natural and just part of me. I feel like David Wygant’s stuff has allowed me not only to meet more women (and attract more women to me instead of me chasing them), but to be able to connect with any woman I want. That is powerful!

David I see that you already read this, I thought it was really funny, and just wanted to add my story so people can get a glimpse of what you teach. My story is long, so I will write a short one.

I took a group bootcamp with David in NYC. It has changed my life. I used to use the cube, and other tricks, and mind games to seduce women.

I never learned how to be confident, bold, and authentic, to meet a women. David showed me live, and explained everything in details how to not chase women, but attract them so they come chasing for you.

I look more forward to my life everyday, and I now have the power to choose women that I really like being with. And guys, I get plenty that I don’t have the time for now days:)

It’s never about getting laid, I used to have that mindset, and it got me feel like shit. I know lot of you guys can relate. It’s all about living a attractive life.

I would highly recommend anyone to meet David.

Best, J

But from a man that hates everyone in the industry I find it actually quite comical!

As for Jeremiah I worked with him for 2 hours and the last time I checked I do not charge 5000 an hour.

So besides some anger management issues Ross also is incapable of simple addition!

This is why I am in business so men have a choice and don’t have to deal with angry dating gurus like Ross!!

Its all about a choice and I am glad that ross was able to get Jeremiah laid.

My style is the total opposite of Ross and the great thing about this industry is that men have a choice of whom to work with.

If someone wants to learn seduction from Ross then go for it.

But he needs to get his facts straight, jeremiah is 26 and was not a virgin.

Its funny but Ross seems to hate everyone in this industry.

Do you think it reflects how he feels about himself.

Life is a mirror.

That’s all for me.

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I actually worked with your former client Jeremiah. He said you took him for nearly $10,000 and helped him not one bit; that he actually had to chase you down to get him to return your calls.

After two sessions with me(for which I didn’t even charge him, I was so angry at your conning him) he lost his viriginity finally, at age 29.

It’s guys like you that really piss me off. I would love to knock your sorry ass out of business.

RJ