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Nick, (Savoy) of Love Systems and Mystery Method, who featured on the show with Dr Phil, talked to me yesterday and gave me a closer look into the episode “Women Beware” with some behind the scenes stuff you might not have been aware of. For those who haven’t yet seen the Dr Phil episode, watch it here: Mystery Method on Dr Phil Video.

How did you think your time with Dr Phil went?

It’s funny to look back on it now. The show was recorded in 2006 and the world was a lot different then. Love Systems didn’t exist as a company, though of course many of the top instructors who later came together to form Love Systems were active dating science coaches back then - like The Don (Scott) on the show. Magic Bullets hadn’t come out yet, the Love Systems’ Routines Manual didn’t exist, and what we teach has continued to develop and improve. Not only on the content side – we spend a lot more time now on frames and what we call the “physical conversation” with a woman, for example – but also in terms of how we teach. It’s way more interactive, with exercises and training tools that give each student what they need to succeed. We’ve gone way beyond the one-size-fits-all model that everyone used to teach.

So after all this time, watching Dr Phil was like being in a time warp.

A show like that is going to have very selective editing, and this episode definitely did - that’s why it looked like some things were totally out of context. Still, I think at least the first half of it gave a reasonable glimpse at what used to go on at a regular Mystery Method bootcamp, at least since Mystery stopped teaching them in 2005. The audience dynamic was interesting too. Even though the audience was whipped up into a frenzy by the “women beware!” stuff, the episode proved that if we explain what we do openly and factually, people will accept and endorse it. At least after the first half of the episode. Of course, we were naive and we believed the show’s producers when they told us what the show would be, so we never expected to be paired with the likes of con artists and Ross Jefferies. The second half of the episode probably dropped the show from a great success to a moderate one.

In the beginning of the show, you said you didn’t belong to the seduction community, can you explain why?

I don’t know what “the seduction community” is supposed to mean or what Dr. Phil meant by it. Usually when someone in the media asks me about the “seduction community”, they are about to bring up something idiotic that someone else has said or done and ask me to justify it. There are a lot of great companies that teach men how to succeed with women but there are also a lot of guys who do a ton of damage. Some are just naive and think “I can attract women, therefore I can teach others to attract women” while others are deliberately dishonest and manipulative; it doesn’t matter – I don’t want to speak for them or defend them.

Love Systems is what it is. We’re open about what we teach, we stand by what we teach, we explain what we teach and how we teach it on our website, and we are answerable to our clients through our money back guarantee, not to some notional, undefined “seduction community”.

Can you explain the behind the scenes reactions from audience members or others that participated on the show?

One thing I thought was interesting was when the producers planted those women at the bar in a kind of “gotcha” move – well I talked to one of them afterward. She told me the show contacted her for this episode after she’d written them a man-hating, player-hating rant. So it was obvious what their agenda was. But even with her, the show and experience changed her mind about us. I think The Don even got her number on the way out.

I thought Dr Phil, for his audience base, was very understanding of your position and guys learning these tactics. What were your thoughts on that?

I’ll give Dr Phil credit, especially since it would have been easier to go for the sensationalist cheap shots, which is what I think the show’s producers originally had in mind.

But I don’t think we have to have such low expectations. I don’t think “the mainstream” has to react badly to the idea of dating science being taught by and to men. I think it has a lot of time so far, but that’s more due to who has been in front of the camera and how they present themselves. If you look and act like a normal human being and explain without weird jargon that what you do is help men understand and succeed with women in the same way that women’s magazines and books help them understand and succeed with men, most people will be receptive. That’s what I’ve tried to do, and that’s what Love Systems is all about.

Like a few months ago, you remember when Cajun, a Love Systems instructor, went onto Keys to the VIP. Keys to the VIP is a pickup competition show. It’s not designed to make anyone look good – actually the judges love tearing the contestants down. When Cajun went on that show as a competitor, he went as a normal guy that people could relate to. Watching him, you don’t get the sense that you’d have to dress or sound so weird that your friends will run for cover. As Cajun has said himself many times, his approach for the show was “textbook Magic Bullets” but he still looks and sounds like a guy you could introduce to your friends.

Advanced dating science doesn’t have to have weird acronyms and complicated made-up words. If a concept is well thought out, it can usually be explained in simple English.

What has been the response of other people you know?

It’s been fun. It’s given me a great chance to connect with some people I’ve lost touch with, who found me through the show. Many of my friends have taken advantage of the opportunity to marvel at how much weight I must have gained since then. Oh yeah, my mother found it online today and called to say I looked very handsome =)

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