I first saw this impressive video:
Then it was “debunked” by a guy named PUAWatchdog:
Then SeduceInSeconds posted this video:
Here are my thoughts,
SeduceInSeconds has a weaker argument against PUAWatchdog mostly because he’s attacking PUAWatchdog’s character and methods rather than the facts. Just because there are multiple schools called Redham in Sydney doesn’t excuse the fact that she stated she attended school with him. When does someone ever say they went to school with someone if they didn’t? If you go to the University of California – Los Angeles campus, you wouldn’t say that you went to the same school as your friend who went to the University of California – Irvine or University of California – Riverside. That seemed odd to me.
After watching the above videos, what do you believe?
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He seems so smooth in the first video, but then gets wayyyy chumpy in the second, with the lame jokes and all, kinda reeks . . .
And sure you get that vibe off a chick that you’ve rocked her when you’re bold enough to just kiss her, but it’s usually a whole lot more subtle than that.
Wow, that was some puerile shit there. Probably PUAwatchdog should have attempted to contact T directly and verify the video’s authenticity like a normal human being. I think it’s pretty douchey to create fake Facebook profiles and mess with chicks. I mean, do you have better things to do with your time?
On the other hand, T’s response video, while it had some good points, definitely makes me NOT want to buy his products. I mean, he comes off…unattractively, to put it mildly.
I think in a situation like this, it’s better to take the high road and let customers write their reviews. Word gets out if you’re a fake. If he’s for real, he’ll get the good reviews. What does anyone else think?
Wow… interesting stuff!
When I saw that first video I admit I was impressed.
Watching PUAWATCHDOG’s video made me have my doubts. Watching SEDUCTINSECONDS’s response almost looked like this video I saw on dealing with AMOGs LOL! Nonetheless, I think there’s more that we’re not hearing about as such, I think it’s rash to write off SEDUCTINSECONDS’ just yet.
I feel so conflicted. Mom always told me to never trust Aussies
not taking sides here, but although the seduceinsec guy was squirming like a pathetic miserable guilty loser in his response
video, he did show that hanna wrote “i didn’t know him from a bar of soap”.
now she could just be protecting him though and lying to puawatchdog.
SIS guy’s claim that the ‘same school’ thing only came after the pickup can be a legit claim.
why would hanna write ‘same school’ if they actually attended diff campuses (your question, donovan):
because what do you want her to say?? “he picked me up on the street, i’m a slut”??????
so she just clinged to the same school thing, although they went to different campuses.
once again not taking sides, SIS looks like a fake childish wannabe to me regardless of the auth. of the video.
and, he didn’t kiss close. she kept her mouth closed. that’s not a kiss. anyone calling this a kiss is a miserable guy. what do you
call a shag? brushing against a girl’s pants???? ROTFL
A couple notes about the original pickup video that weren’t included that are HIGHLY suspicious and prompted us to research it:
*How she and her friend interact: Random guy walks up and pulls her away… she doesn’t even notice when her friend leaves, or seem to care. Girls have protection mentality around their friends… highly unlikely in a nighttime pickup let alone day time.
*She tells her friend to go to the beach by herself so that she can go off with some random guy she met… and then isolate to some creepy hut. Not buying it.
*Consider where the camera man is and what he must be doing. As they are walking to the hut, you can see that there are no benches and no people around where the camera man sits down. He sits on the grass a few yards away and then zooms in… which means he is looking into the viewfinder of the camera. There is a guy facing them looking into a camera for about 5 minutes… and she doesn’t notice. Yeah, right!
And Donavan, as you point out, nothing in his response video actually disproves anything… and considering in the video he shows he has access to her facebook, it’s likely he wrote the message back… which by the way she would lie about anyways since she probably got paid to appear in the video.
-PUA Watchdog
PUA Watchdog,
I salute your detective work, well played good Sir!
I just hope you are using something like Tor (http://www.torproject.org/) when you post on websites other than your own, otherwise your identity might be traced back to you if any webmaster or admin ever decided to check up on you and reveal your e-mail or IP address to the public.
legacy is greater than currency,
- pelican
“because what do you want her to say?? “he picked me up on the street, i’m a slut”??????”
Yeah I tend to agree with this. Although the whole thing does seem suspect, it is plausible that they didnt know each other previously.
I mean, she doesn’t know puawatchdog at all, they’ve just started talking on facebook, so she might not go into much detail about her private life and how she meet some random guy on the street. Instead she might just say “we went to school together” despite it not being entirely true.
Some things are strange in both sides stories. Firstly , the seduceinseconds guy really protests waaay to much in his reply. He would have made a much better case if he just stuck to his version of the story without all the attempts at comedic insults etc.
But then it also seems strange that Puawatchdog blanked out so much of the email conversation with the girl and just left the incriminating bits…which may have totally been taken out of context.
Anyway, who says chicks create all the drama
i think this is damn childish for grown man to fight over a damn video. get over it, if its fake, he probably cant teach well anyway, if its real, good for him.
I originally followed this on the Venusian Arts Forum and had raised some of my own concerns and observations about the original video which I will repeat here.
I agree with PUA Watchdog in that I find it extremely odd that the target’s friend left her and the target was willing to go to the hut with T so easily.
I also found her replies to come off as somewhat rehearsed.
I was very curious if the camera man was using a hidden camera or if it was out in the open and if he had all the women sign releases since in all the videos their faces are not blurred out.
T’s response video made him look very immature in my opinion because he was making personal attacks against PUA Watchdog without any foundation to do so instead of just making a logical argument about the accusation that his video was fake.
And finally, does anyone even know who this guy is? I’ve been involved in the community for awhile now and I’ve never heard of him or his company which makes me suspicious right off the bat.
@Richard I can see your point with that, although it’s doubtful. She could have said “Through friends” and that’s usually how girls say it in my experience.
@Clarence We aren’t fighting, we’re discussing and it’s important for guys who are spending cold hard cash on this stuff.
@YSB I’ve never heard of him until I found his video on youtube then somehow stumbled on his response… (not even the original complaint from PUAWatchdog) haha
Either way… T’s response looks a little “Clemens-esque”…
All good comments. I’m actually happy that this happened. I’ve gone out sarging with T for the past 3 years and what I love about all this controversy is that people are seeing his video (in a good light or not) and trying this and succeeding.
I saw this, I tried it, and I loved it.
In reality it was the full unedited version on http://www.seduceinsecons.com/page4.html which helped me see the nuances. You don’t have to be really arrogant or over confident to pull this off, that’s the whole beauty of it.
Here’s his updated video reponse http://www.seduceinseconds.com/reply.html .
Regardless of what you believe whether it is right or it is wrong all I ask you is this:
Go out. Get off your computer. And try it as I did.
Al
^^^ Sounds a bit like a sales testimonial
But anyway, how long is his course?
He says its an online bootcamp, only $3.99 for the first month..(and then when you click paypal its charged at $79.80 for each following month) but he never says how long it is.
Is it limited to a number of lessons per month or can you progress as fast as you like? And are you locked into a certain period of time?
I liked his style and I don’t mind giving him the benefit of the doubt regards the video. But I’d like a few more concrete details before I hand over any money.
What SIS does very well is that he SUBTITLES his videos.
That’s what I’ve been looking for, frankly, theory lessons are nice, but seeing how it’s done in practice, and in context, with subtitles saying what’s what is really helping.
And that’s just something I haven’t seen anywhere else. I’d be happy if anyone could refer me to a site with similarly instructive videos.
PUA Watchdog – it’s obvious you are a hypocrite of the highest calibre!
All you have done is proven that T and the girl in the vid went to the same school, and you did this through fraudulent and deceptive behaviour.
What you did is entrapment and you should really have more concrete evidence before you post all over the internet that T is a fraud.
T’s response (http://www.sumo.tv/seduceinseconds) is childish and this whole situation has raised doubts over the “12min kiss close” vid but i don’t buy what you say and you have been far too quick to point the finger without having solid evidence imo.
I just joined the community. T’s video’s with the little captions and videos of him using it go me interested. And his sharp wit, got me to buy his stuff. I just started trying this whole pick-up thing, and his advice is working for me.
I’m finally getting numbers! So for me, the 12min kiss-close could be fake; I’d hate to think of how long they practiced to get it all in one take. And if it was fake, he really gave him self some corny bullshit to say, with that whole “tertiary ed-u-cation” crap. I mean if I were gonna bullshit people, I would’ve written way smoother lines than that.
This is my first try with the whole PUA thing, and it seems like everyone is a little full of shit. I was cautious about this stuff anyway because of a lack of solid video, and suspicion of cult like following of love guru’s or something like that. I have now solid way of knowing whether PUA Watchdog is legit or not. I haven’t seen T’s response. But I’m doing much better with the ladies, and my advice didn’t come from PUA-Watchdog it came from T (and a few other guys that I ultimately thought were kind of lame).
I only found out about the controversy last night. And I was pretty shaken. But this morning I thought:
If I lost 20 lbs with advice from a diet coach and then found out that he was getting liposuction, would I stop exercising and eating the way that got me more fit?
Dealing with girls, I was the equivalent of morbidly obese before joining the community under T (just two weeks ago). Now at least I’m getting numbers, maybe eventually I’ll get laid! I don’t care if it’s fake, I just care if it’s possible. And right now, at least it sure makes me feel better to believe it is.
Stop the sales pitch guys. That video is OBVIOUSLY fake, you don’t even have to know that they were in the same school to find that out.
The way he discarded the girl’s friend is proof of a complete lack of game, and that friend COULD NOT have reacted like that. She was acting.
I’m not sales pitching. I’m just grateful.
I figure everyone in this industry is trying to scam me. I have no real way of knowing who is right on this one. Maybe PUA-Watchdog doctored it up.
If you look on the picture from the Facebook profile, it says something about ‘Sankey’s Bday’. That’s a nice little coincidence.
On the other hand the video does look pretty incredible. Maybe they really did go to the same school. But if he was a loser/loner or she was or whatever, who knows, there’s a crap load of people I went to school with that I don’t really remember.
If I hadn’t gone out and gotten a number after following his advice. I would’ve just said fuck it! But now I’m doing so much better. So, I cannot help but defend the guy.
All of this stuff seemed impossible to me a couple of weeks ago. I mean just meeting a chick and her actually giving a number to a stranger, sounds crazy and come to think of it a little dangerous if you ask me. But here we are discussing it and doing it. This community is so cool!
Anyway, once I get better at opening and number closing. I’m gonna start trying the kiss close to see if I can pull it off. I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull of 12 minutes, but hey it would be cool if I ever got that good.
I also would like to know how long this course is. But as long as I feel like I’m improving, and I’m sticking with it.
I’ve done a bootcamp with T. I’ve seen his pickups and kiss closes. They are fast and solid. Nuff said.
I worked in radio, I had two podcasts for over two years. There is no way a microphone could have picked up that dialogue so clearly, she HAD to be mic’d. Its impossible to get sound that clear from that far away. Even high tech microphones that can pick up sound from distances still have allot of interference with wind and background noise. Theres a reason why they put subtitles in the in field footage of the pick up artist. You can actually hear every word she says clearly. Impossible
I was totally taken in by this T’s video. Wouldn’t have bought any of stuff, simply because there’s so many more established guys out there (and I’m so tight-fisted).
Well done PUAWatchDog. The very fact that when asked she replied “Yes I know him, he’s a friend” is pretty damning.
Mind you she’s a bloody good actress.
If you go to the seduceinseconds.com on the mainpage is a 8 mins film. In first approach on this video T take a number from girl names Sophie (cute blondie). SHE HAD EYE CONTACT WITH CAMERA!!! SHE MUST KNOW ABOUT CAMERA. SHE IS FALSE GIRL.
Why is the T’s response erased. after reading all the comments, saying that his remarks are lame and more like a denial, i felt like crap because i was about to pay him $20. I do congratulate him on getting this far , but your a piece of turd for faking a kiss. maybe your other videos are for real, but you just lost all of my trust by faking a kiss. i understand that PUA is your competition and that these letters could all be faked , and you are amazing (or so it seems) at picking up poon, but you have got to get your alibi straight . Hope no one does business with you
I originally subscribed to the YouTube channel. I even had some of his on-line lessons, which were far too expensive, which is why I stopped after about 2 months. The lessons were also very basic, “don’t ever bring up a girl’s weight in any context” I know that already.
On his YouTube video, Luke from Poland remarks that the blonde haired girl stared at the camera. I noticed this and made a comment under the video. I was removed from the subscription list and blocked from re-joining.
I messaged his YouTube account to ask why? I hadn’t swore or anything. All I had said was:
“I see that blonde hair caught the camera. Did that make meeting up for a date more difficult?”
So I think Luke is on the ball there. I also don’t think a girl would leave her friend alone with some random stranger who strolls up to her after 2 minutes. He also doesn’t acknowledge the other girl, which would surely result in him being “Blocked”.
I agree with Liam. any negative comments on his page on youtube are removed. EVERYTHING is positive.
You can tell its fake right when the other girl LEAVES HER FRIEND WITH A GUY THEY JUST MEET. Serious. No girl leaves their friend, especially during the middle of the day.