Apparently, Ross Jeffries isn’t a huge fan of Real Social Dynamics. Here’s the comments he posted about my last rant on them.
Boys, boys..as the Godfather of this community and the guy who created it all, I have to say I have no love for Tyler or RSD. I warned Neil about Tyler years ago, and a few years back I was very alarmed at some of his more “Hubbardesque” posts on mASF.
But…but…but..to be fair, on the issue of instructors leaving the company:
Everyone in this business, sooner or later, is going to have that happen. Anyone with enough stones to want to teach is sooner or later going to have too big an ego to want to play second banana to the guy who hired/taught/recruited him.
It’s happened to me with virtually every person I trained and who co-taught with me, with the exception of Shirleen Burnett, whom most of you guys have never read about or heard of.
Add to that, this BUSINESS attracts as many twisted people as does the pick-up game itself; again, I have no love for Tyler at all, but I would bet any amount of money that some of the people who left his camp have some serious skeletons in their closets, and for all we know, they’ve broken agreements, stolen money, gotten involved in crime, who the fuck knows. I can say with full honesty that MANY of my “crew” over the years have gone down the same crooked, fucked-up pathways, including a guy recently whom I groomed as my co-trainer who turned around and cheated me in business, issuing false financial statements about our joint ventures, lied to me about his drug addiction, etc etc.
Unti you run one of these businesses, you have no idea of the bullshit that gets tossed your way.
And, sometimes people just leave well..because they are ready to leave. They want to do other things. They move on. Good on them, and as long as they don’t steal my work to set up their own businesses, I wish them well.
Now, personally, I can’t possibly see how anyone running a “train trainers and have them do seminars/bootcamps world wide” model can possibly keep up the quality of instruction.
But if RSD can do it (which I seriously doubt) more power too them. If they can’t do it, then they are purely in it for the money biz, in which case fuck them in the liver with a flaming baseball bat.
Peace and piece,
RJ
93/93
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Goodness Christ, I have no love for Tyler(to say the least) and you will all remember I warned Strauss about him many years ago. To my mind he’s a blow-hard, Hubbardesque guy who is in it for the power and control over the guys he teaches as much as the money.
But…but…..but….
The fact that people have left his camp is just how this business works. Usually, the guys who want to co-teach eventually leave no matter how well you treat them because their egos are too big to accept second fiddle.
The difference is if they leave and then steal your work and go on to teach your stuff in a rival business.
And then, some people have to be booted for all sorts of crimes, small and large, including cheating in the business, felony arrests and convictions, spousal abuse-trust me, I’ve seen the full gamut of bullshit and crimes from my co-trainers throughout the years.
You think the students who COME to these programs can be twisted? Just meet some of the INSTRUCTORS.
So, no love for Tyler, but until you’ve been in one of these businesses, you don’t really even begin to understand what truly goes on.
RJ
93/93
“Learn from the legend, accept no substitutes”
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I’d like to propose that the seduction community including all the guru’s as a whole should decide in our minds where we intend to lead all future students to? To a place where they can fill their insecurities by learning to get any women they want into their bed? Or a more wholistic approach to becoming men that are respected by women and being happy with themselves which is probably why they came in the first place.
One thing some people respect about RSD that is different from the other guru’s out there, is that most of these other guru’s just don’t mind being unhappy.
Its like they actually enjoy having their mind run wild and resenting this and that person.
I’m unsure if all their instructors have reached that level, but i do know it is in the company’s philosophy to not be identified with their mind and be forever defending their big self image. Even if they haven’t made it yet, they are at least trying. Much like many of the other community guru’s out there that have been influenced by similar teachings.
I dont know how many of you claim that you don’t let all this “community” drama affect your mind and emotions, but its fairly obvious that many of these guru’s do.
Their inner game is good? When it is so important to them that they are acknowledged? Notice how important it is for so many of them to validate that they are “better” with women than other so called famous POOAHS? Or that they rely more on their skills than the next guy. Can your game be that great when you remain so reaction seeking?
Teaching students to be like themselves? A bit of “success” but continue having a reactionary tortured mind?
When someone disagrees with their self created image of themselves we all notice how pissed and defensive they get. Does someone say they understand that?? Because you will act the same way? Really??
I understand that Seduction Chronicles will publish some of these “community conflict” articles by various people from time to time, but how about publishing something like this? And allowing readers to decide which direction they believe the community should head.
Should we remain a community of mostly judgemental, reactionary seeking, button pushing, its most important to just get the girl type of person. We will read till we can’t fail!
Or should we head in the direction of becoming true men that women will enjoy being with and transforming into people happy with ourselves instead of resenting ourselves and others and believing our ego is the most important thing to be stroked.
I understand that this article seems directed at the ego and it may provoke defensive stances all round. But it may also lead to positive discussion and after endless arguing with ourselves, it can move us one little step forward to freeing us from the pain of having little resentments and judgements against each other, women, or any other person.
Lets all head towards true happiness guys.
- Intime
I have no idea about the crimes or anything but they seem cool and I’ve learned a lot from them, mostly Tyler in Foundations.
I can’t hate on anyone who’s helped me to learn and grow.
Donovan -
this is a good site.
Please don’t let guru clases and the like become the main course of it.
a small piece on whats going on in the community – cool.
your personal take on a company, be it positive or negative – cool.
“This guru said that about that guru” – not cool.
Intime said;
“Teaching students to be like themselves? A bit of “success” but continue having a reactionary tortured mind?”
How do you get offering valid and insightful critical thought equating to a “reactionary tortured mind”?
It’s called CLARITY. If you want to walk around in perpetual unthinking bliss, go for it, but don’t assume it is of value to the rest of us.
Hey, I actually enjoy being happy and part of what makes me so is to engage my intellect in ripping apart bullshit, evasion, and pure stupidity.
RJ
93/93
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Hey, from my perspective, I was mostly defending RSD from the bullshit about “this instructor left and that one left etc etc’ by pointing out that this is common in the business.
RJ
The best thing to do is to remain dispassionate. RSD is rock solid and doesn’t give one shit about what people say.
As a CUSTOMER, I only care about who makes the most difference in my life.
As the signs at Jimmy John’s say, “The Customer is USUALLY right.”
So I may be wrong…
But RSD is the shit for me.
And the community is getting very political which is so hypocritical since all this psych studying bullshit. At least practice what you preach. And framing “shit throwing” for being “CLEAR” also doesn’t help.
Realize that some customers can see through smoke and mirrors.
I look back… this wasn’t a very descriptive headline for this particular post. Apologies all.
win-win for everybody.
* RJ gets some extra publicity.
* this blogs gets more attention.
* readers get drama and excitement.
* RSD gets more spotlight and commenters defending them and thus they draw more clients (just like The Game book did wonders for their business as well).
everybody wins and life is good!
Perhaps we could turn this into an opener?
A la, that classic Mystery opener that I like to chide.
“Hey, did you see those two PUA gurus fighting outside?”
Ross you are so pathetic…. have you seen ”the blueprint decoded”? Dont blame people for developing to ther maximum potential when you are still sitting in the same stuff!!!!!
What is this? He says he has “no love” for RSD but then does not give us a single point about why we should agree or disagree with him. I don’t get it. Are we supposed to agree just because he is Ross Jeffries?
this article is just some rant without any backing by evidence, did anyone actually read what he said, its completely ridiculous, RSD is clearly stealing his customers, so ross has finally stooped to one of the greatest lows and decided to bash this company. Also ross kinda looks like a pedophile which creeps me out
This post deserves no love!
Haha just joking 
Nice post