Kevin, words are cheap. What do you mean by “completely different”? What RSD teaches is both good and original, but the parts that are good are not original and the parts that are original are not good.

But more to the point, even if they did teach something they think is unique, when they insist in their contract that the client “cannot teach pickup for 4 years”, and he cannot even teach his OWN material, that reveals a scarcity mindset. And the simple truth is, you cannot be great at pickup when you come from scarcity.

Actually, what can you expect from a company whose founder (Tyler) used keylogging software to break into Mystery’s and Style’s email accounts while living and working with them! Tyler is scarcity personified.

No quote for you. Good point. I haven’t talked with an RSD rep on their ethos or creed. And the single-minded drone is all I have talked to up to this point. It’s not so wrong to judge a company or product on the customers, or vice versa. And the best thing about being on the outside looking in is there is no emotion, just respect and clear judgement. If my words are to hard, sticks and stones, man.

@ Nolan.

You’re right. I imagine anyone learning how to date or talk to girls is looking for a perk, not just RSD guys. More is more, no argument there. And I would never say that’s a bad thing…

But that doesn’t change the fact that RSD (with the exception of Tim) is a bunch of needy, scarcity-minded twits out to make a quick buck using Mystery and Neil Strauss’ material.

Nice post. I agree with you completely. Personally, I’m not a notches on the bed post kind of guy, and I don’t see RSD as an end all be all. They are a great resource, and all though they aren’t perfect, take what works for you, discard the rest. Although I must say, the kids who are trying to bang every hot girl isn’t just a RSD, I guarantee, just as many or more use tactics.

@Truth
I agree with Paul, you are too eager to insult. It’s rather ‘UNATTRACTIVE’ (lol)

Anyways. I’m sick of this, it’s pretty much completely irrelevant. All you are on your journey, an I’m on mine. Were going different places, and thats fucking fine.

Peace out forever dudes. Check out RSD, don’t take things so seriously. Get what you like out of them, and ignore the rest. There’s a lot of value there. Besides that, check out everything else too. RSD’s not the end all be all, and nor do they claim to be.

Trash, Paul, good stuff.

- Nolan

You can’t write a post without insulting people so come on please dude lol.

The only substantive argument I can find in response to me against RSD is this:

“The difference is the way RSD and the student’s handle the game compared to other companies. They want to act as though their method is far superior to any others, as if it holds some deep mysterious secret which can’t be found elsewhere.”

In fact this is not the case. Whilst coherent in theory it simply isnt borne out in the real world. Care to quote any representative of RSD fairly to show this point?

Your arguments, so far as I can tell, are against single-minded followers of RSD. It seems to me every school attracts such people and being so sensitive to RSD is really rather silly.

I agree you with you totally. They should have a class for interaction for both sexes, because guys don’t always make the mistakes. A class on social ethics would be very beneficial to anyone who took it. You can apply that kind of knowledge to a career in any field and succeed, no doubt in my mind.

The question I ask of RSD guys is this: What is your intention once you aquire this skill? And I only ask it of them and not from people in other methods because I don’t see mass vid.docs of teams of guys working some girls at a bar like a pick-pocket crew.

And on a personal note, I may be hard on you guys in here, but I’m harder on my RSD friend. Much love.

Nolan, the quintessential RSD retard…long time no see! Where have you been? Oh I get it, you’ve been lurking in the shadows waiting for some support and now that you’ve found some, you have lunged right back in with your toy spear. That’s being alpha alright.

Ok, first off…EVERY thing you have attributed to me is incorrect. I have said nothing EVER about asking anybody to “grow up”. You meant to respond to @Trash. Please focus (I know it can be tough for you, but try) and quote correctly.

@ Trash

I agree with you partly. I agree that nothing RSD teaches is original. The sum and substance of RSD’s syllabus was generated by Mystery and Neil Strauss. But I disagree with you when you say that this education is not useful. The art of approaching and connecting with a woman is about bringing out your own best personality, which helps a guy not just with women but in every sphere of life. If a guy can do this NATURALLY, good for him. But most guys can’t. I believe that this education should be made mandatory for every adult male.

Good post, valid points. Paul’s comment about nitpicking and his challenge to Truth grow up was my target. I didn’t start that ball rolling. I’m not being unreasonable here. RSD, though I do not use or have any special feelings toward, is a self-help program. And like any self-help program, they are only good to a point. I’ve posted on this previously. Self-help being the billion dollar industry it is, there are quite a few not so well-intentioned human beings working in the field, so a lot of gulible people get taken. Reasonable suspicion is warranted, even with RSD’s good intentions, because $1500 a person for a bootcamp isn’t exactly charity work.

Reason and fairness: RSD is a company. They can charge whatever they want. With my blessings.

My condemnation is not reserved for guys out there struggling to find a date or a girlfriend. It is targeted at guys who’s major objective is to nail every bitch and ho they can with no regard for manners or no though of treating others with the same respect they wish to be treated. Just look at ANY blog you wish or ANY youtube vids. Refer back to my July 22nd post. Paul said it was unfair to target RSD exclusively, but let’s face what fact there is: no other self-help, dating, become-the-guy-of-her-dreams program is being discussed in the same manner that RSD devotees are (which is good for business and probably a long-term plan).

I want to be very clear here. My issue isn’t with RSD as a company, the price, it’s teachings, or why one of the founder’s would set himself in such high-esteem alongside a ficticious literary character. I will be so bold as to say that most haters here agree with me. My issue (and boldly, everyone else’s) is with the over-zealousness and the adolescent minded followers who treat this with the same reverence as big-game hunting or their favorite sport, notches in the belt and all.

It may not be a reflection of the program or its goals. But the ones who are using this to better themselves aren’t speaking up enough.

They do not realise the contradictions which they type and say.

They are Hooked within The Social Matrix, and if we try to unhook them too early, they will fight against everything we teach here.

@ Nolan; The problem is that they Copyright OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS!

Then they won’t even talk to you about it, unless you go to the workshop that’s flogging your idea, where they make you sign a Commercial Waiver, that means even when they admit it, you can’t challenge them for 5 years.

RSD has stolen so many of my Ideas, that the book I wrote, cannot be published, (they used that waiver to dismiss my challenge to the injunction,)

What sickens me more is to know that they don’t even teach my whole Natural Game system I wrote .

So, you say people who study self development so that they can be come better people, which just so happens to help with the ladies, should grow up. Don’t you realize that’s what they’re trying to do? That’s the whole point of self development.

You’re an emotionally secure, strong-minded independent man. Great, I’m seriously happy for you. But you shouldn’t condemn people who aren’t. Especially if they’re trying to become everything you just said you are. If this is really your problem with RSD, try putting yourself in the shoes of a “chode” who wants to get good with girls. Would you want to learn a bunch of lines to cover up the real you? Or would you want to find a place where people help you reveal the real you?

Another thing. You say RSD is supporting a one world view, well that’s just not true, and it’s been noted by the instructors, especially Tyler, many times. But I’m not getting into that for now.

But, I don’t really know what you’re problem with RSD is. Is it that they copyright the stuff that they’ve spent time putting together, but were influenced by many many other things? Or is it that they teach self development, instead of pickup lines and tactics, as a way to meet women?

Later.

Live life to the fool and stop getting involved in community bitchiness. It;s lame.

Peace!

My issues with RSD are:
- the way they don’t care about their students. You can see it clearly in the reviews guys give after the bootcamps.
- the internal discussions in RSD’s instructor forum a few years ago (released by Thundercat) where they say that it’s not important that the students improve… What’s important are the reviews. So they developed techniques to influence the reviews.
- Barry kirkey (ex RSD instructor), in his show, explained a few times the way they treated students, mostly Tyler.

The complaint towards RSD was the fact that they are so very protective of material, which in part, has been taught by other methods of pick-up. And RSD and the instructor’s of the game should make money off their hard work, as should everyone. The difference is the way RSD and the student’s handle the game compared to other companies. They want to act as though their method is far superior to any others, as if it holds some deep mysterious secret which can’t be found elsewhere. Which is short-sighted and slightly arrogant considering their field. The bottom-line, absolute bottom of it is this: while RSD is perpetuating this one world view, there is still a overwhelming democratic majority of emotionally secure, strong-minded, independent men and women who do not resort to self-help to pick up dates, one night stands or their ideal mate.

I know, because I’m one of them. And only one person I know personally perpetuates this crap. It is obvious to me now where he learned it. Your behavior here is indicative to the RSD standard. You tuned this post out because to you, I’m just hating, as you put it, and that I just need to grow up. I say to you, sir, YOU are the one who needs to grow up and join the legions of people who want to achieve something in life aside from a quick lay. Because this self-help, life program RSD has put together is selfish in its creed and personally destructive to the people trying to practice it. It’s not elevating men or women socially or dynamically. Because there is no one-line pick up or universal standard all women hope to get it by. Because being a man is universal enough. And if you are slightly shaken by this, then your still a boy. Go back to the drawing board and apologize to Truth.

Life is too short to spend presenting ‘good arguments’ to every one of RSD’s brainwashed goats

A reframe is not a valid substitute for a good argument.

Either you’ve not read enough of the thread to comment intelligently or you’re another brainwashed goat. I’m leaning towards the latter.

p.s. Interesting how the only support for RSD seems to come from guys with comprehension deficits.

Surely RSD’s material does belong to them? Or should a company not be rewarded for hundreds of hours of work of arranging material as they have done. There are very few truly original ideas out there.
Right or wrong, most educational books forbid reproduction in part or full of their work, or, making any profit from their material.

It is silly to single out RSD for this.

All this is irrelevant anyway if you dont want to become a teacher. If you are at a seminar you’re several years off becoming an instructor anyway so it’s just nitpicking.

Grow up and stop hating.