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1. 

   Comment by matt on 12 February 2008:

   rsd suck. i never hear anything good.
2. 

   Comment by jaht on 12 February 2008:

   i know someone who took a bootcamp a few months ago, he had nothing but good things to say about it, weird stuff here hehe.
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   Comment by DC on 12 February 2008:

   U already had a bad opinion of them because they don t asnswer your emails,probably u can t make money from their products like u make from the others,etc so i doubt u (we can) have an honest opinion/discution here.(eg..rds bad pickup 101 good).
   maybe it s true what they said about them..tyler hating women,etc.don t know,don t care.
   in the end for me what it count is what their material(products)can do for me.
   if u didn t listen all their stuff they come out until now then make posts like this one don t see the point except to bashing them(and maybe force them to contact u).
   read tyler archive from fs.com and then tell me other pua who can explain/disect “the game” better than him.

   ps.sorry 4 my bad English.
   ps.2-don t become the next thundy..he s lame and no credibility whatsoever.
4. 

   Comment by Stumble on 12 February 2008:

   It’s easy to drink haterade like you’ve done here.. but yeah I think RSD is great. I’ve learnt a lot of stuff from them. Foundations really broke down what was going on in a social interaction and I got some key stuff from that.

   People who promote positivity and personal growth I think are great.
5. 

   Comment by Mack Tight on 12 February 2008:

   Thundercat interview RSD?!? That’s hilarious!

   I think that gurus should be challenged and if they are worthy of being a guru they should be able to handle it (for example recently I challenged Johnny Soporno on my blog and he responded to it with a lengthy comment. He gained my respect by doing that).

   But from a business standpoint I would not expect RSD to jump into the lion’s pit by free will as you propose they should do.

   Although I would pay good money to hear Thundercat interview RSD AND THEN have RSD interview Thundercat.
6. 

   Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 12 February 2008:

   Just remember, Jeffy and Tyler are in my top dating coaches of 2007… so I wouldn’t say I’m constantly bashing them. Every now and again I like to do an “expose” and let the chips fall where they may.

   DC - Personally I think he over analyzes the game. I love his writing style and depth though. The next Thundy? Come on!

   Stumble - You think digging all this up from my brain was easy? Heaven’s no. I’d trade a copy and paste article any day.

   Mack Tight - Haha I thought you’d enjoy that last part. Yeah it’s always interesting to see how the gurus react at times. When David Wygant and Brad P came out of nowhere and commented on a post I wrote, that was a cool experience.
7. 

   Comment by Stumble on 12 February 2008:

   Fair enough SC. I just saw the post for what it was and haven’t read much of your other posts. I do like this site though and am subscribed, cool stuff.

   I would actually love to see RSD on Keys to the VIP or something like that where we can see them in field.
8. 

   Comment by gigi on 12 February 2008:

   donovan i’m surprised.

   1. ‘distance themselves from the community’ - what community exactly. you mean they don’t talk weird and they don’t call girls “sets” or what exactly.

   2. sure enough they aren’t kind to any potential affiliates but you know what their new material (mainly “Transformations”) is simply awesome and a relief for many many guys who suffered for months or years at the hands of people who tell them to ask girls “who lies more” and to “kino escalate sets” omg. rsd are the FIRST to shout ‘enough with selling snake oil and lies’ and started talking like human beings and about the true essence of being a man.

   therefore i am more than happy to take their side even though it doesn’t benefit my affiliation interests a tiny bit, because their material is really good and can TRULY help people.

   and it is a great feeling for me to know that i can refer people to something that can really help them, and that doesn’t turn them into a weirdo on top of being an afc.

   3. dr paul didn’t invent anything. the concepts of being a man that’s successful with women are simple and you’re bound to hear the same thing a thousand times, because the bottom line is it’s not that complicated and there’s not that much to say.

   some people WANT to make it look complicated so to be able to sell tens of products to people who want to be helped by them.

   3. i’m surprised you even bothered to quote someone who has extremely close business relations with Style and Mystery.

   we all know what these guys did and still do to milk students who want to be helped, milk them for $4000-$2500 per dvd, utilizing people’s gullibility as much as possible, and then they claim to be helping them. i’m surprised that THAT doesn’t make you sick.

   4. i don’t understand the sudden anger burst in general.

   5. i do not know anything about their bootcamps or their personal relations with people, since i never met them in person, so i can’t comment on that.

   all the best
   gigi
9. 

   Comment by DC on 12 February 2008:

   hi Donovan

   i think this post should be treated from 2 different points:
   rsd the ppl behind the company and their products,ideas,etc cos i think 90% of us
   don t care too much if tyler do this,if jeffy,tim do that as long their producs are top notch,help us,etc

   of course it raises questions some rumors/facts(but hey who doesn’t like a juicy gossip from time to time:)
   about this u can tell us much more since u have better connection but with so many ppl saying things that contradict eachother it s hard to tell where is the truth till u are not a part of the action.

   and yes he over analyzes the game in the beginning of “his career”: ) but for a newbie(no ideea about girls) like me then it
   was gold to understand from a to z everything.

   it s strange that they refuse a dialog with you…try to their forum to post and raise this question.

   sorry about “next thundercat thing”:D..mea culpa!!!!!

   cheers.
10. 

    Comment by Tight Game on 12 February 2008:

    I have watched all the DVDs from RSD. Foundations was ok, but I really liked Transformations and Jeffy Show. At least on DVD, the RSD instructors all come across as cool guys teaching concepts authentically in the context of their own life experience. It’s a subjective thing, of course, but I think these guys have the “cool vibe” nailed, much more so than some of their competitors.

    Frankly, I also think that Tyler projects his company more professionally than most shops in Seduction Community. When you go to their website, you get the company and its products and services- not some manipulative landing page that makes the company look like a fly-by-night operation.
11. 

    Comment by Mack Tight on 12 February 2008:

    Sure, a lot of this post is hearsay and no major guru really “contributes to the community” any more unless it is to promote their material. But you have to admit there are still some interesting points made.

    Kudos Donovan for another buzz worthy post that got people to read and react.

    I have to respect RSD for having the following they have and for being successful without giving interviews or having affiliate programs to promote their products. I’m sure other commercial gurus would be doing the same too if they were in such a position.
12. 

    Comment by Tynan (aka Herbal) on 12 February 2008:

    I know these guys personally and have seen their work a well as their personal lives. I have no involvement in their business whatsoever… not even as an affiliate or anything like that.

    Their workshops are an amazing value (which I recommend to people when they ask me who they should learn from).

    They LIVE what they teach. They are very well rounded people who are FAR from being pickup robots.

    When you have as many workshops as they do (and trust me… there are some VERY negative people who sign up for these things), you will have occasional issues. I would guess that their satisfaction rate is probably around 99%.

    I could go on, but I’ll save it. Just wanted to chime in as someone who’s been around the game for a while and has some firsthand experience with the people in question.

    Tynan aka Herbal
13. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 12 February 2008:

    Gigi ->

    What kind of name is that? YOU’RE FUCKING RETARDED!

    jk That’s an outburst…

    Everyone ->

    This post is simply to get the reactions of you, my readers, and stimulate a good discussion. If I didn’t want a discussion I wouldn’t have allowed comments.

    It’s good to “expose” different things. I like doing it. I enjoy the critical side of myself, probably because I’m critical of myself more so than of others.

    Does anyone else feel cathartic because of this? I sure do. Off my chest.
14. 

    Comment by gigi on 12 February 2008:

    my parents were drunk when they named me. drunk with happiness
15. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 12 February 2008:

    What nationality?

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17. 

    Comment by Bobby Rio on 12 February 2008:

    The only thing i really know about RSD is reading old Tyler posts from ASF… good stuff but way over analyzed…

    I read Tyler’s blog from time to time.. but the posts are just so freaken long.. dont get me wrong some of them are filled with gold.. its just my two minute attention span that can’t make it to the end.

    I have often wondered how they stay in business.. or any company that relies heavily on bootcamps… Are there really that many guys shelling out thousands of dollars to hang in a bar with a couple “instructors” if so.. maybe its time i opened up shop lol
18. 

    Comment by Mack Tight on 12 February 2008:

    I love these posts:

    - Talk smack about Mystery, RSD, some other guru…

    - Flood of people defending the accused

    - Eventual backpedaling with a “I only made all those allegations to “stimulate discussion”" excuse

    The post gets buzz and you can always worm your way out of the heat if it gets too hot

    For the record I still think Neil Strauss blows… no backpedaling from me
19. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 12 February 2008:

    Whoa… I never backpeddled out of Mystery or RSD. I mean’t everything I said in those posts, otherwise I would never say them.

    Doesn’t mean I don’t like the buzz…
20. 

    Comment by Lance on 12 February 2008:

    Relative noob here, so I don’t have any firsthand experience with RSD. I read Seduction Chronicles regularly because it has good content, but this post about RSD is a hatchet job and isn’t offering any value.

    I read Tyler’s blog regularly and I love it. He’s a fine writer and a great analyst when it comes to attracton science. He’s pushing the envelope and I think his Blueprint Decoded product is going to be cutting edge. I give the guy props for that. I’m not holding anything against him or his company because of past reputation.

    I viewed the entire Transformations product last week and I loved it. I thought it was a very compelling experience and had TONS to offer. I can honestly say it took my game to another level just in terms of attitude and framing. It was a balanced and professional looking product.

    So that’s my two cents.
21. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 12 February 2008:

    Guys come on now. This is 1 post out of a 100 that’s on the negative side. Does that mean I can’t cause some controversy every once in a while?

    I put this stuff out there so you can either tell me if I’m right or tell me if I’m wrong. Take a side. I mean… I like to think I’m somewhat balanced in my reporting here. Any one got my side? =)

    “The secret of successful journalism is to make your readers so angry they will write half your paper for you.” - Cyril Edwin Mitchinson Joad
22. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 12 February 2008:

    BTW, Mehow is next. Anyone oppose that already?
23. 

    Comment by D on 13 February 2008:

    Are you serious with this?
    You must have oneitis with RSD or something. They are _the shit_

    It’s funny how when someone’s successful others quickly attempt to trash their reputation.

    For me and for any man that has struggled to control their life, only results matter. And I think RSD has been a greater help than any other “community” place I’ve been to.

    Get real.
24. 

    Comment by Satori on 13 February 2008:

    personally i think you so jerked off on the fact that gurus commented your posts once that you gave it a shot with rsd as well.

    first off, the rsd price policy is pretty fair. they never raised the amount for a bootcamp since starting in 2004. all the other pioneers from back then take way more for offering way less today. and rsd is out there every weekend. even in europe.

    thundercat is in my eyes the weakest so called pua with a name in the community out there. this guy is just hilarious. in his art of approaching several pages about body language are a straight rip-off from barbara & allan pease books on body language. word after word. how about an article on that?

    next, jeffy did not answer your mails. wow! try and mail bill gates about your wlan problem… those guys are professionals nowadays and those channels of getting free value are simply closed. there is still the newsletter, the amazing blog and rsdnation.com of course. have a quick look at that site. every instructor is an active participant. now take a look at the venusian arts forum for example. the only official participation you get there is an update on the trial from lovedrop.

    playboyLA left. well, that’s business. the word community sometimes implicates that we are a secret society of brothers bound to each other for lifetime. we’re not and things change. sean messenger left pickup101 and walter followed. that’s how it goes.

    and it is definetely not true that rsd separates itself from the community. take a look at sinn’s and eltopo’s blogs from lovesystems. both are definetely under the top5 worldwide and have high value blogs. and both had great experiences with tyler about a month ago. it’s just that this isn’t stirred up in political bullshit.

    last but not least, if you talk about the community in this manner, ask yourself what you’ve been contributing with this post.

    satori
25. 

    Comment by Lance on 13 February 2008:

    You’ve got over 1000 subscribers…that’s a huge audience. With that many readers, you’ve got an obligation to keep your articles professional and fair. That doesn’t mean you can’t give your opinion, but your reaction to RSD is totally knee jerk and baselss. It takes away from your authority, which I’m sure is the opposite effect you were looking for.

    It’s fine to post a negative reaction on something (or expose a subject), and in fact this is part and parcel of being a media entity, which is what Seduction Chronicles is at this point. Here’s a great example of how to do this at problogger.net…in it, you’ll see the site owner Darren Rowse disagreeing with a written piece from another site:
    http://www.problogger.net/archives/2008/01/21/writing-with-confidence-or-risking-your-reputation/

    FYI, I’m a big fan of Mehow so can’t wait to see what pops up there.
26. 

    Comment by SeductionP on 13 February 2008:

    I loved the article and I don’t think you need to explain yourself. State your story and let your subscribers battle it out. To each is own.

    I have read your comments on T.Ferriss’s blog, which is how I found this site, and I am sure he would be very proud of your blogging philosophy. Controversial topics are what its all about and they happen to be a great way to really get people invested in your site.
27. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 13 February 2008:

    @Satori:

    You comment was WAY off base in my regards:

    Never did I say that I endorsed Thundercat’s treatment of RSD. Come on now. I didn’t say that. Your assuming things I haven’t said. I did say, “I’M VERY DOUBTFUL OF THAT” I defended them!

    “next, jeffy did not answer your mails.”

    Yes, he did email me back. In all seriousness I don’t think I’ve emailed since he started at RSD. I should have followed up, but didn’t. I have nothing against Jeffy (Jlaix) - I think he’s a cool guy. I do have respect for him.

    Please remember, I have nothing PERSONALLY against them. This is an critical post about what I’ve learned from OTHERS and from THE FEW business interactions I’ve had.

    I was actually VERY impressed with Tyler with Sinn on the Nepali Coast trail in Hawaii back December. Very cool.

    By the way, Eltopo and Sinn are Mystery Method instructors, NOT RSD. Completely different company .

    Read the post properly next time before you start attacking me.

    @SeductionP: Thanks. Remember this is my site, and I don’t claim to be an unbias journalist. You guys are VERY SMART, and HIGHLY ABLE to tell when something I say is off base. As you guys have done!

    I might have to find out more about Mehow. He seems like a decent guy, but I’m over the Mystery clones that add one trademark term to their product line and pretend it’s a breakthrough. PureKino… hello.
28. 

    Comment by sting on 13 February 2008:

    Donovan -

    there’s a short answer to this (which i’ll save for now) and a long one (which is a point-by-point analysis of your post).

    ON YOUR POST
    - agree about the sloppiness of the “blueprint” release. no excuses - just way too much delaying.

    - “what do they have to offer?” - bullshit points from your end. if DYD gave RSD a boost, then it did so because David D. FELT IT WAS WORTHWHILE.
    Strauss’ account had the potential to hurt RSD. if it hasn’t, thats a credit to their business savvy.
    You have NO WAY of knowing whether RSD’s rep has spread by word of mouth or not - this is pure speculation, and completely baseless at that.

    - “Lack of involvment in the community” - purely a personal choice of theirs. not my business, or yours or anyone elses.
    they have no way of knowing how “unbiased” a neutral site is. you’ve seen the ridiculous degree to which another neutral site owner took his beef with them - can you blame them for being mistrustful?
    Tyler’s misogny??? this is exactly whats wrong with the community. what the fuck does it matter what Tyler’s attitude to women is???? when you study math from a teacher, you take in the skills he teachs, not his life philosophy.
    we are SUPPOSED to be BIG BOYS here - frankly i think a guru’s attitude is irrelevent. and those who feel otherwise, need a course on “inner game for pre-start of PU” course.
    for the record, i have no idea what TD’s attitude is towards women, and even if it was bad, woudln’t affect my opinion of him as a teacher.
    You only know Nash’s side of the story of his falling out with TD. Nash learnt a hell of a lot more from TD then the other way around - that much is clear. the way Nash avoided that point in the interview you did with him was probably just business, but not particularly ethical. Tyler “hates” Nash - does Nash “love” Tyler, or soemthing?

    - “Evolving with their teachings” - dude, this “this guy stole this from this guy” story… is a never-ending, circular and pointless one. you’ve been around the community, you know this.

    I have no idea, and neiter do you where RSD came up with their current teaching model from. The essential point is whether their’s meat to it.
    note that RSD teach in-field. Dr. Paul does not.
29. 

    Comment by sting on 13 February 2008:

    now, more importantly, my take on RSD.

    I read Tyler D.’s old posts. they’re thorough, they’re tight. his writing was a little all over the place (Sinn of MM, by contrast, is dead tight in this regard). but putting it together and playing with it in-field was effective for me. More so than the writings of any other, single writer.

    TD’s 25 points list and enough of an attitude to keep at it is just about all you need to get good at basic PU.

    “New” RSD is inner game focused stuff. this stuff is always vague, by its very nature - and is always open to the criticism of being BS. Its the seduction community’s “evolved” version of the “be confident, dude, girls like confidence” high school advice.
    Good advice, but more easily said than done. RSD aren’t alone here - soporno, xuma, nash, zan, david D., David W. etc. are all in this boat.

    RSD is at least as good as anybody with it - and they practice it IN-FIELD in front of students unlike any of the others named above. To me, that gives them solid credability in an arena (’confidence and inner game’) which is abstract by its very nature.

    In short, i like RSD and think they’re filled with value.
    I agree with you about how poor a show the blueprint production has been - thats about it.

    cheers bro,
    S.
30. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 13 February 2008:

    @Sting: Always like your comments.
31. 

    Comment by Sinn on 13 February 2008:

    Why don’t you attack someone who hasn’t given away TONS of free value?

    Why don’t you go after someone who hasn’t grown up and become an amazing example of the transformative power of the community and self help in general…

    TD doesn’t hate Stephen I talked to him about in Hawaii. He was forced to grow up after Neil trashing him in that book. And he did.

    TD is an example of what’s good in the community. He deserves a lot more respect than this.

    But I guess you just like slamming people you don’t know to get publicity. Classy.

    S
32. 

    Comment by Pyro on 13 February 2008:

    I really, really think this post is out of line.

    TD and RSD don’t participate in the Seduction Community? Who says anyone has to do anything? I don’t see PUATraining, Mehow, Mystery Method, Venusian Arts, participating in the seduction community that much. Lance doesn’t do anything but put out products for PickUp-101. Style pimps his books and audios at Style Life Academy which is like $20-30/month. PlayboyLA pimps DYD Online Dating and even Thundercat’s Renegade Rapport on his blog to make a fast buck when everyone knows he doesn’t use those products and that he’s just taking advantage of his list. Mystery hasn’t made a post anywhere for almost 2 years. Mind of Mystery was a complete joke.

    Who else you want to bring up? Vin DiCarlo? Dimitri? Juggler? The AMP guys? Those guys don’t participate that much unless it’s some interview that says “We take guys and teach them X, Y, Z, check us out at http://www.seductioncompany984.com

    The only guys bringing new shit to the table after the stupidity that was VH1’s the Pick-Up Artist are Tyler Durden with RSD, Sean Messenger with LVO3, and Stephane with ideagasms. There are others I’m sure… but man, I do not believe this post. TD gives enough free content away alone in his blog to CHANGE YOUR LIFE. His pimping of Eckhart Tolle alone is going to do more for the Community than you can imagine. Okay, maybe you want to give the credit to Eckhart but NO ONE except Tyler has really consistently pushed life-changing material from outside the community like Ayn Rand, The Power of Now, Alan Watts, fuck, C.S. Lewis even.

    I really don’t see how they’re not participating any less than any of the other marketers and it seems to me with TD’s content focused blog, their constant posting on their message board at RSDNation.com, the fact that the Blueprint is probably not going to cost $3700 like The Annihilation Method, or $7000 for the Mind of Mystery… it seems to me that they’re participating a whole shit load.

    RSD is helping people. They bring new stuff to the table and do it their own way. Sorry if they’re not a Mystery Method clone in teachings and community outreach. As long as they’re helping people, let ‘em do it their own way even if Jeffy is asking TD questions. Like Thundercat isn’t simply sucking dick when he’s interviewing “the gurus.”
33. 

    Comment by Pyro on 13 February 2008:

    Go figure that Sinn would post right before me.

    For the record, Sinn, El Topo, and Captain Jack give a ton of free value in their blogs. I guess I kind of think of them as the Dallas Crew and Mystery Method as some nameless corporation in Los Angeles.

    I retract my comment that Mystery Method doesn’t participate in the community.
34. 

    Comment by gigi on 13 February 2008:

    sinn raises a good point. some PUA’s have really made huge emotional progress over recent years. if you compare them to a few years ago you hardly recognize the man. Tyler and DavidD are good examples.

    some, on the other hand.. didn’t progress an inch.. and are still trapped in their twisted view of the world and of women and in their twisted methods to circumvent the pain that comes from their negatively delusional perceptions of the world.

    should i give examples by name? i think you all know who i’m talking about anyway, dot dot dot
35. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 13 February 2008:

    @Sinn: 1. Good point. 2. I think you answered your own questions with your last comment. I’m classy.

    I’d love to know your opinion on THIS post, who I don’t know well, but you certainly know personally:

    http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2008/01/04/the-magic-shows-over-when-is-mystery-going-evolve/

    @Pyro: 2nd post: Life happens like that sometimes. =) Thanks for the comments.
36. 

    Comment by Sean Messenger on 14 February 2008:

    I met Tyler when I took DYD’s Deep Inner Game Seminar in Vegas (as an eager-beaver student) years ago.

    He struck me as smart, and odd, and defensive. So did most of the other pickup gurus there (with some notable exceptions like Hypnotica and Big Will).

    I ran the same streets and same bars of SF as Jeffy when I was head coach at PU101. He didn’t impress me as someone I’d want to hang out with.

    I read The Game. Then I saw The Incredibles, and developed this theory that Syndrome was actually based on TD.

    I was a hater. I hated their routines, I hated their theories, I hated their game.

    But then one of my coaches at LVO3 turned me on to Tyler’s blog in 2007, and I was blown away.

    I had to re-think my own attitudes. I had to check my own bullshit. Was it possible I was wrong and short-sighted, and mistook small sample size and personal agendas for objective reality? Possibly…

    I don’t know jack shit about their business practices. But I do agree with Sinn that if you teach enough workshops, you will get some seriously embittered and delusional guys as students, and they can give you a bad rep in a hurry. Hell, I once counted out $2500 in cash to a student on a Sunday when he came to me and complained he didn’t get enough “personal attention,” after we had just been out with him till 4 AM following a 12-hour classroom day.

    When you teach, you don’t want money from people who aren’t learning.

    I respect RSD for their skills and their dedication. This isn’t an easy way to make a living. It’s a godddamn cutthroat business that will eat up all your time, and no, it’s not a rock-star lifestyle. It’s a lot of hotel rooms, and laptops and bad coffee, and then if you get on a hot streak, skanky girls drunk enough at the bar to come back with you to your Days Inn room, and hopefully leave before full daylight so you never have to see them again.

    It’s fucking “Turn the Page.”

    TD has been in this game for real for longer than almost anyone else, and had the balls to change everything. He’s published more than I could in 10 years of rambling, and while he does write too long and convoluted for my simple caveman taste, you can’t deny he puts real thought into it and gives great value.

    They bring hope to guys who have no hope. They create products that the people who have the most need can buy (and you can hold me to this… if I ever create a $7000 DVD, please shoot me in the public square like Ceacescau).

    I don’t know how they teach now. I think it’s more difficult to start with routines and tricks and transition to natural, instinctive, emotion-centered game.

    But I think they can do it. I saw Jeffy talk at Cliffslist two years ago, and saw a different man. I saw a MAN.

    We all begin this journey as boys, hoping the tribe will lead us into the ways of men. Perhaps RSD can be one of those tribal leaders.

    Peace and love,

    Sean
    LVO3
37. 

    Comment by Bobby Rio on 14 February 2008:

    Its great reading everyone’s reactions to this post. To tell you the truth I skimmed through the post but have had a blast reading the comments.

    While its nice every one comes to defend RSD I think its bullshit they critize you. Its your fucking blog if you want to talk shit about anyone go ahead..

    Neil wrote an entire book bashing RSD- and everybody (including RSD) loved it. ANd I bet RSD loves this post, cause a shit load of people who have forgotten about them just went to Tyler’s blog and the RSD homepage to check them out.

    Real Socail Dynamics should send you a commision on their next batch of bootcamps!
38. 

    Comment by Joe P on 14 February 2008:

    Right on Bobby Rio. Even bad publicity is good. What’s the opposite of love? Not hate but INDIFFERENCE.
39. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 14 February 2008:

    @Everyone but directed at Sean:

    The only guy that rambles perhaps more than Tyler Durden is Sean M, but we still love his posts. =)
40. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 14 February 2008:

    @Tight Game: Good point. I do LOVE their web design. I wish I was good like that. I gotta get this EFFING comments section more readable dammit. Anyone with a CSS background that can help?!
41. 

    Comment by Bob on 19 February 2008:

    I heard that Eckhart Tolle is suing RSD for stealing his ideas.
42. 

    Comment by Tom on 19 February 2008:

    I heard that Eckhart Tolle and Anthony Robbins like to hang out with the RSD crew. Jealous much?
43. 

    Comment by TheSpecialist on 20 February 2008:

    What is with these lame ass, limp wristed critical articles?
    First you bash Mystery (an article which I just read) and now RSD. You make a declarative statement (THE WEIRDNESS OF RSD) and yet you offer almost no supporting evidence. If you want to be considered a journalist or at the very least worth reading for your 1000 subscribers, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU. All you’ve posted is conjecture, qualified statements and questions. You haven’t had first hand experience and you clearly have a double standard for RSD versus everyone else.

    Using Thundercat as your partner in crime makes you lose a lot of credibility. When he “interviews” gurus (re: his buddies) he does nothing but throw them softballs. He’ll slob the knob of any guru that will let him and from all indications he couldn’t get laid in a whore house if he had a duffel bag full of money.

    For the record I’ve never met any of these guys and honestly think there is probably something wrong with pretty much anyone that becomes a “dating guru” but then again, we all have our problems. These dating gurus have allowed us room for personal change and regardless of their motivation I think it’s only fair to allow them the same luxury.

    Any idiot can reserve a url and post a blog (or comment on that blog, for that matter). What have YOU added that’s so original? And that is a rhetorical question. My and my massive ego don’t give a fuck what you have to say. ~Tootles
44. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 20 February 2008:

    @TheSpecialist: If Thundercat’s my partner in crime… I’d better tell him that.

    Thanks for the comment.
45. 

    Comment by SeW800 on 21 February 2008:

    I don’t quite know how I got here, but anyway I got an idea out of your writing…

    The thing you called “No Participation”, I think it’s pretty much normal.

    Imagine like, Coca Cola has a new cola, and what, do they do an interview or a promotion with Pepsi on that?

    Nope.

    They have their own marketing tactic, and pepsi ahs it’s own, and they both follow their own paths…

    If one day Pepsi (you & the rest) decides to whine in front of the public because Coca Cola doesn’t want to participate with them, well guess what, that doesn’t mean too good with lot’s of stuff…
46. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 22 February 2008:

    Boys, boys..as the Godfather of this community and the guy who created it all, I have to say I have no love for Tyler or RSD. I warned Neil about Tyler years ago, and a few years back I was very alarmed at some of his more “Hubbardesque” posts on mASF.

    But…but…but..to be fair, on the issue of instructors leaving the company:

    Everyone in this business, sooner or later, is going to have that happen. Anyone with enough stones to want to teach is sooner or later going to have too big an ego to want to play second banana to the guy who hired/taught/recruited him.

    It’s happened to me with virtually every person I trained and who co-taught with me, with the exception of Shirleen Burnett, whom most of you guys have never read about or heard of.

    Add to that, this BUSINESS attracts as many twisted people as does the pick-up game itself; again, I have no love for Tyler at all, but I would bet any amount of money that some of the people who left his camp have some serious skeletons in their closets, and for all we know, they’ve broken agreements, stolen money, gotten involved in crime, who the fuck knows. I can say with full honesty that MANY of my “crew” over the years have gone down the same crooked, fucked-up pathways, including a guy recently whom I groomed as my co-trainer who turned around and cheated me in business, issuing false financial statements about our joint ventures, lied to me about his drug addiction, etc etc.

    Unti you run one of these businesses, you have no idea of the bullshit that gets tossed your way.

    And, sometimes people just leave well..because they are ready to leave. They want to do other things. They move on. Good on them, and as long as they don’t steal my work to set up their own businesses, I wish them well.

    Now, personally, I can’t possibly see how anyone running a “train trainers and have them do seminars/bootcamps world wide” model can possibly keep up the quality of instruction.

    But if RSD can do it(which I seriously doubt) more power too them. If they can’t do it, then they are purely in it for the money biz, in which case fuck them in the liver with a flaming baseball bat.

    Peace and piece,

    RJ
    93/93
47. 

    Comment by Ross Jeffries on 22 February 2008:

    Goodness Christ, I have no love for Tyler(to say the least) and you will all remember I warned Strauss about him many years ago. To my mind he’s a blow-hard, Hubbardesque guy who is in it for the power and control over the guys he teaches as much as the money.

    But…but…..but….

    The fact that people have left his camp is just how this business works. Usually, the guys who want to co-teach eventually leave no matter how well you treat them because their egos are too big to accept second fiddle.

    The difference is if they leave and then steal your work and go on to teach your stuff in a rival business.

    And then, some people have to be booted for all sorts of crimes, small and large, including cheating in the business, felony arrests and convictions, spousal abuse-trust me, I’ve seen the full gamut of bullshit and crimes from my co-trainers throughout the years.

    You think the students who COME to these programs can be twisted? Just meet some of the INSTRUCTORS.

    So, no love for Tyler, but until you’ve been in one of these businesses, you don’t really even begin to understand what truly goes on.

    RJ
    93/93
    “Learn from the legend, accept no substitutes”
48. 

    Comment by Stefan on 23 February 2008:

    In my opinion, Tyler and RSD are one of the few companies out there that has evolved and moved the direction of this “community” for the better.

    I’ve personally learned a lot from Tyler and have nothing but major respect for the guy and what he’s done for others.

    I don’t see the need to criticize. Anyone who is truly fulfilled and at peace with themselves are coming from a position of ABUNDANCE and positivity. Anything negative is just a reflection of their own insecurities and is an attempt to make themselves feel more significant.

    Much love,

    Stefan
49. 

    Comment by Seduction Chronicles on 23 February 2008:

    ABUNDANCE has little to do with criticism in this case. Is the criticism of the Bush administration coming from a place of negativity or the desire to improve the situation?

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51. 

    Comment by RSD Student on 27 February 2008:

    I think you can blame Mystery’s ridiculously expensive program to Mike Long.

    Mike Long is Mystery’s marketing guy. I would guess that 50% of what we pay for goes to Mike Long and the leftovers go to Mystery and his crew.

    Command a higher price tag (Eben Pagan) to create a perception of higher value or authority-quality.

    But what do I know. I’m just a n00b. I love RSD & Mystery.
52. 

    Comment by Neil Natura on 9 March 2008:

    Hey,

    Dude, it IS a nice article you’ve creating here in order to create some buzz. Probs for that.

    Somebody talked about Tim ferris, he is the man! I’m truely greatfull for that book he wrote.

    Everyone check out: http://www.4hourworkweek.com it is AWESOME!

    Anyway, I run my own seduction company and have done Bootcamps in around 10 Countries in Europe - mostly in Scandinavia. I have personally trained around 300 guys IN FIELD and a couple of thousands at seminars etc. at this point (March 10 -2008). - Just so you know where I come from.

    Anyway, I have attended a few Bootcamps - including one with Tim 2 years ago! He was really cool. He really tought me some AWESOME stuff! I was a valuetaker and now looking back he really impressed me with his AWESOME attitude and changed some of my beliefs on some few key things..

    And he is awesome with women. No doubt. And I am sure the whole RSD crew is.

    I’m sure that ANYBODY who takes ALL KIND of guys out in the field and demonstrate and coach people to approach, attract and close are good with women in one way or an other - I respect anyone who do this job great!

    There will always be 1-2-3 guys who will talk bad.. Thats it. Move on.

    “The Past Does Not Equal The Future”

    Why am I backing RSD up?

    I love people who bring a lot of value to the table in some way or an other. With out knowing the dude I can say Tyler is a good communicater and has some great stuff to offer… So do Tony Robbins, Echard Tolle, Brian Tracy, Tim Ferris, Mystery, The dude “cronic” who wrote this article, etc. etc.. Look for the best in people! (Don’t be an idiot).

    CHECK Tylers blog out and do your self a favour and sign up for their newsletter.

    Best,

    Neil Natura

    Ps. I do not work in ANY way with RSD!
53. 

    Comment by Xander on 17 March 2008:

    Hey guys:

    One day before assisting to a RSD conference in my city I got to read some of this posts plus many negative comments on the comunity forums and The Game about these guys so I had some doubts on my way there, but I must say I was more than satisfied after it;

    first it was free which was understandable since it was kind as a preview before the bootcamp and it was a recording for RSD “Mastermind” series yet it wasnt any second rate speech I can assure, the best part i think was that Tyler Durden himself taught the seminar, you may say it was pretty basic material, specially if you’ve been into other guru’s materials and yet it was so well explained and practical, before it i tought RSD was all about routines and lines but I think that was a boost for inner game better than much material ive read, deeper than i believed indeed, and the guy has tons of charisma which makes a prety good energy vibe.

    Yep he doesnt talk about loving women like zan does and yet he doesnt seem to me more bitter towards women than almost all gurus in the comunnity I know

    I still have to get into the bootcamp but now I can suggest anyone to buy his materials (which we got a preview to), it may not be the philosophy to guide your life but RSD materials are a must for any one gettin into this world of seduction.

    Xander
54. 

    Comment by Donovan on 9 April 2008:

    There’s a new audio podcast between two ex-RSD instructors that’s coming out very soon. I’ll post a link to it when I get it.

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