Comments on: The Master The Vibe/Wayne Elise Controversy http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/ Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:45:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Mark http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1079 Mark Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:41:03 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1079 Achilles, apology accepted. Your analogy with the judge, however, is a stretch. A judge interprets the law to seek the truth. He is respected because he doesn't censor or delete the truth. For someone to do this and think he can get away with it is idiotic. Censoring and deleting the truth is the point of this post. Censoring misleads the forum readers. Honesty doesn't need protection, but thank you. Achilles, apology accepted. Your analogy with the judge, however, is a stretch. A judge interprets the law to seek the truth. He is respected because he doesn’t censor or delete the truth. For someone to do this and think he can get away with it is idiotic. Censoring and deleting the truth is the point of this post. Censoring misleads the forum readers. Honesty doesn’t need protection, but thank you.

]]> By: Achilles Cyres http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1078 Achilles Cyres Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:02:21 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1078 Well, since I have no clue about this MtV-fun nickname appearing everywhere, I am forced believe you and I apologize. I enjoy expressing my opinion as much as you do, so next time try calling the judge in a court "an idiot", because it might be your opinion. But i suppose you have no clue about legal stuff. Sorry I tried to protect you. peace Achilles Well, since I have no clue about this MtV-fun nickname appearing everywhere, I am forced believe you and I apologize. I enjoy expressing my opinion as much as you do, so next time try calling the judge in a court “an idiot”, because it might be your opinion. But i suppose you have no clue about legal stuff. Sorry I tried to protect you.

peace

Achilles

]]> By: Mark http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1077 Mark Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:25:47 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1077 Achilles, I'm not in the podcasts or the person in the blog, sorry to disappoint you. My judgment is not based on a close friendship, only observations. Also, I am sure that there is more than one Mark in this universe. My advice to you: Avoid suggesting that bad things can happen to someone for voicing their opinion. Achilles, I’m not in the podcasts or the person in the blog, sorry to disappoint you. My judgment is not based on a close friendship, only observations. Also, I am sure that there is more than one Mark in this universe.
My advice to you: Avoid suggesting that bad things can happen to someone for voicing their opinion.

]]> By: Achilles Cyres http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1076 Achilles Cyres Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:13:19 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1076 Juggler's sayings are blurred between condemning an every-day issue of the type of payment that some companies use, and defending Hudson. Mark, you may be right, but your judgment is not objective when you are close friends with the the founders of Master the Vibe. I've seeing your name featured in the Master the Vibe podcasts, as well as mentioned in the blog: http://blog.masterthevibe.com/?p=21 "Last week I found myself and my friend Mark being snuck into the backdoor of a club called Tao here in Manhattan..." My advice to you: Avoid calling anyone "an idiot" in public. Sometimes bad things happen. MtV's work is great. Nevertheless, Juggler is not threatened by what they do. His seminars, bootcamps, life coaching is independent from what MtV offers. Achilles Juggler’s sayings are blurred between condemning an every-day issue of the type of payment that some companies use, and defending Hudson.

Mark, you may be right, but your judgment is not objective when you are close friends with the the founders of Master the Vibe.

I’ve seeing your name featured in the Master the Vibe podcasts, as well as mentioned in the blog: http://blog.masterthevibe.com/?p=21
“Last week I found myself and my friend Mark being snuck into the backdoor of a club called Tao here in Manhattan…”

My advice to you: Avoid calling anyone “an idiot” in public. Sometimes bad things happen.

MtV’s work is great. Nevertheless, Juggler is not threatened by what they do. His seminars, bootcamps, life coaching is independent from what MtV offers.

Achilles

]]> By: Mark http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1075 Mark Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:51:43 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1075 Juggler doesn't understand the definition of a legitimate point. His goal is to attack a product that threatens him (in his head). Very transparent. Very insecure. And yes, Master the Vibe is a very good product. Juggler doesn’t understand the definition of a legitimate point. His goal is to attack a product that threatens him (in his head). Very transparent. Very insecure. And yes, Master the Vibe is a very good product.

]]> By: TightGame http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1072 TightGame Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:14:27 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1072 Juggler makes a very legitimate point. A minimum customer service standard for a montly subscription service should be a username/password login where you can see when then next billing date is (and shipment date) and then have an option to cancel your account right at the site. The seduction industry is a little behind other industries in terms of subscription management sevices. Most of the guys should probably outsource this function so that they can focus on picking up chicks. Having said all this, I think Master the Vibe is a good product. Juggler makes a very legitimate point. A minimum customer service standard for a montly subscription service should be a username/password login where you can see when then next billing date is (and shipment date) and then have an option to cancel your account right at the site. The seduction industry is a little behind other industries in terms of subscription management sevices. Most of the guys should probably outsource this function so that they can focus on picking up chicks. Having said all this, I think Master the Vibe is a good product.

]]> By: Tom http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1074 Tom Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:55:21 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1074 LuciferMorningstar, What would you do if you and your company were were being unfairly attacked? If attempts to correct misconceptions were deleted and censored? What kind of person does this? I noticed that you posted on Wayne's thread under announcements. You apparently fell for this manipulation of the truth. Yes, the market is big enough, too bad Wayne Elise doesn't realize this. You are also correct in this being a mistake and miscalculation on Wayne's part. I agree with Mark, Wayne needs to remove both threads. Enough is enough. By the way, if you knew Christian and Sebastian you wouldn't question their sincerity or beliefs. LuciferMorningstar, What would you do if you and your company were were being unfairly attacked? If attempts to correct misconceptions were deleted and censored? What kind of person does this? I noticed that you posted on Wayne’s thread under announcements. You apparently fell for this manipulation of the truth. Yes, the market is big enough, too bad Wayne Elise doesn’t realize this. You are also correct in this being a mistake and miscalculation on Wayne’s part. I agree with Mark, Wayne needs to remove both threads. Enough is enough. By the way, if you knew Christian and Sebastian you wouldn’t question their sincerity or beliefs.

]]> By: LuciferMorningstar http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1073 LuciferMorningstar Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:01:34 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1073 So much for being masters of social dynamics. These PUAs should be ashamed of themselves. Its ironic that all this talk bout being genuine, believing in healthy ecology (NLP) blah blah blah Yet there r SOOOOOO many disputes in the community. The market is more than big enough you dimbulbs! And i must say this is a mistake on Juggler's part - for years he has cultivated an angelic reputation Showing anger like that is a black spot on his record he doesn't need So much for being masters of social dynamics. These PUAs should be ashamed of themselves.

Its ironic that all this talk bout being genuine, believing in healthy ecology (NLP) blah blah blah

Yet there r SOOOOOO many disputes in the community.

The market is more than big enough you dimbulbs!

And i must say this is a mistake on Juggler’s part – for years he has cultivated an angelic reputation

Showing anger like that is a black spot on his record he doesn’t need

]]> By: Mark http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1071 Mark Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:50:44 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1071 I've been watching the thread on Charisma for some time. Wayne deleted TWO responses from Master The Vibe defending itself. After the first deletion it was brought to his attention that this thread was facilitating defamation of character by deleting the truth. It was then that Wayne grudgingly put his own post on this thread but did not reinstate the original post by Master The Vibe. In his whacky post, it was obvious that Wayne was still trying to cast a shadow on this company that has been totally above board. He has created this controversy by making it personal. Master the Vibe has every right to defend itself against inaccuracies only presented for malilious reasons only. Also, if Charisma is so concerned about promoting other products then it should take down any discussion of Christian Hudson. His purpose for keeping these threads is to hurt not clarify. How can anyone trust someone who deletes and censors the truth. Christian and Sebastian have tried exceedingly hard to be gentlemen during this issue, it's a shame that the "juggler"/Wayne Elise doesn't know how. I’ve been watching the thread on Charisma for some time. Wayne deleted TWO responses from Master The Vibe defending itself. After the first deletion it was brought to his attention that this thread was facilitating defamation of character by deleting the truth. It was then that Wayne grudgingly put his own post on this thread but did not reinstate the original post by Master The Vibe. In his whacky post, it was obvious that Wayne was still trying to cast a shadow on this company that has been totally above board. He has created this controversy by making it personal. Master the Vibe has every right to defend itself against inaccuracies only presented for malilious reasons only. Also, if Charisma is so concerned about promoting other products then it should take down any discussion of Christian Hudson. His purpose for keeping these threads is to hurt not clarify. How can anyone trust someone who deletes and censors the truth. Christian and Sebastian have tried exceedingly hard to be gentlemen during this issue, it’s a shame that the “juggler”/Wayne Elise doesn’t know how.

]]> By: James http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1070 James Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:45:18 +0000 http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2007/07/31/the-master-the-vibewayne-elise-controversy/#comment-1070 I don't like censorship either. I don't think his post should have just been completely removed (maybe it should have been edited a bit, since it was going against one of the forum rules). I guess my point is that if Sebastian had just concentrated on defending his friend and company and not on also plugging his product (as the previously censored post also did) maybe his post would not have been erased. If he really wants to reply, maybe he should try that. I don’t like censorship either. I don’t think his post should have just been completely removed (maybe it should have been edited a bit, since it was going against one of the forum rules).

I guess my point is that if Sebastian had just concentrated on defending his friend and company and not on also plugging his product (as the previously censored post also did) maybe his post would not have been erased. If he really wants to reply, maybe he should try that.

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